Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 11:08AM

niallo27 wrote:

When you say lockdown, do you mean a full level 5 lockdown in late August.

Do you only read the first line or two of a post?

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 11:09AM

niallo27 wrote: »

When you say lockdown, do you mean a full level 5 lockdown in late August.

Probably. Sure what is 6 weeks takings for business.

froog · 17-10-2020 11:11AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The "sergent" would want to go back to Templemore to learn basic spelling. Might as well be written in colouring pencils it's so fake

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niallo27 · 17-10-2020 11:11AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Do you only read the first line or two of a post?

I do apologise. Dublin went to level 3 not long after, its not like they did nothing. What level would you have gone to in late august.

Eod100 · 17-10-2020 11:13AM

froog wrote: »

Jokes usually involve an element of humour.

niallo27 · 17-10-2020 11:13AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The "sergent" would want to go back to Templemore to learn basic spelling. Might as well be written in colouring pencils it's so fake

Did the shot on sight not give it away first, no.

tastyt · 17-10-2020 11:14AM

Was listening to news talk yesterday evening and they had 2 ex GAA players on , Moran and O Shea I think .

Talk about being deluded and totally losing the run of themselves and their importance. According to them the people “ need “ the inter county games to go ahead all around the country or we might as well all give up. They have put themselves up as the saviour of the country’s mental health all while touring all over the country this weekend , in and out of locked down counties that none of the rest of us can go into, not to mention the numerous stories of piss ups and parties that have resulted in positive tests because the GAA just has to continue. They should be told to **** off by the government and follow the same rules as everyone else, such hypocrisy.

How come we don’t see rugby , soccer , basketball , hockey officials all over the media telling us the country needs them more than anyone for mental health?

Piss right off and get real

17-10-2020 11:17AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

In his article mentions zero covid countries are outperforming their counter parts economically.

Despite the fact New Zealand is entering the worst recession and has seen the largest GDP drop on record.

Eh? That was their own record and was for the quarter they were actually in full lockdown

Solli · 17-10-2020 11:17AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Can you link the study, did the 201 people go to hospital or not and when you say impairment, what exactly do you mean. Its all a bit vague.

18% of individuals had been hospitalised with COVID-19.

blade1 · 17-10-2020 11:20AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Jokes usually involve an element of humour.

The most humourous part was you deleting your post after getting caught out.

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 11:21AM

niallo27 wrote:

I do apologise. Dublin went to level 3 not long after, its not like they did nothing. What level would you have gone to in late august.

The whole country back to the old stage two.
These new lockdown levels are a joke.

hmmm · 17-10-2020 11:21AM

tastyt wrote: »

Talk about being deluded and totally losing the run of themselves and their importance. According to them the people “ need “ the inter county games to go ahead all around the country or we might as well all give up.

Anyone with half a brain knows how this ends, and the only question now is how long they are going to drag this out and how much damage will be done to the GAAs reputation before someone puts a stop to it.

The mob will move on at that point, but the pressure will build until it is released. Once that moment has passed, the GAA can look again at restarting the inter-counties.

Wombatman · 17-10-2020 11:22AM

tastyt wrote: »

Was listening to news talk yesterday evening and they had 2 ex GAA players on , Moran and O Shea I think .

Talk about being deluded and totally losing the run of themselves and their importance. According to them the people “ need “ the inter county games to go ahead all around the country or we might as well all give up. They have put themselves up as the saviour of the country’s mental health all while touring all over the country this weekend , in and out of locked down counties that none of the rest of us can go into, not to mention the numerous stories of piss ups and parties that have resulted in positive tests because the GAA just has to continue. They should be told to **** off by the government and follow the same rules as everyone else, such hypocrisy.

How come we don’t see rugby , soccer , basketball , hockey officials all over the media telling us the country needs them more than anyone for mental health?

Piss right off and get real

Inter-county bog ball is bad enough during the summer. How watching them slobber around in the October mud could have a positive impact on the countries collective mental health is beyond me. Extended exposure could potentially be more damaging than Jedward.

Loafing Oaf · 17-10-2020 11:22AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Did the shot on sight not give it away first, no.

Guard's name a bit of a clue too...

AlphaDelta1 · 17-10-2020 11:24AM

tastyt wrote: »

Was listening to news talk yesterday evening and they had 2 ex GAA players on , Moran and O Shea I think .

Talk about being deluded and totally losing the run of themselves and their importance. According to them the people “ need “ the inter county games to go ahead all around the country or we might as well all give up. They have put themselves up as the saviour of the country’s mental health all while touring all over the country this weekend , in and out of locked down counties that none of the rest of us can go into, not to mention the numerous stories of piss ups and parties that have resulted in positive tests because the GAA just has to continue. They should be told to **** off by the government and follow the same rules as everyone else, such hypocrisy.

How come we don’t see rugby , soccer , basketball , hockey officials all over the media telling us the country needs them more than anyone for mental health?

Piss right off and get real

Every Tom, Dick and Harry lobby group in the country is jumping aboard the mental health angle at present. It's sickening and demeans those with actual mental health issues.

Away With The Fairies · 17-10-2020 11:24AM

Where was I back in 2009? I hardly noticed the swine flu and no care in the world. I had a crappy phone and couldn't barely access the internet. I hardly watched the news so have no idea if they went on about cases. I was working at the time and my workplace had no guidance or advice. There was none of this 2 metre apart and wearing masks.

Covid has really brought on bad anxiety for me and I just want to join my cat under the bed.

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 11:25AM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

The lack of leadership is bad. Martin and Varadkar putting out statements daily, and it's hard to tell who's in charge. Is the cabinet meeting? When will they update the public? Today? Monday? NPHET get too much public airing. They should be privately in close contact with the government. The Health Minister then must coordinate the information he gets and relay a coherent timeline and put the public in the frame, whether they agree or not. There are just too many strands coming out from government, no one knows what's going on.

For the sake of transparency and public awareness I'm glad this is not the system. It would be even more shambolic.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 11:25AM

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The restrictions of nobody being able to visit even in the garden is shocking to me.
I've only had people in the garden since march as I understand fluid dynamics.

The thoughts of six months of this is getting in on me.

I'm putting it out there. I don't know the solution.

This is killer.

Loafing Oaf · 17-10-2020 11:28AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The restrictions of nobody being able to visit even in the garden is shocking to me.
I've only had people in the garden since march as I understand fluid dynamics.

The thoughts of six months of this is getting in on me.

I'm putting it out there. I don't know the solution.

This is killer.

If we do get the virus suppressed again before Christmas, maybe we'll have a better idea this time what we can get away with opening up again and what needs to stay shut (possibly including schools) until we get a vaccine.

s1ippy · 17-10-2020 11:28AM

https://twitter.com/Jdbfitzgerald/status/1317371910557208577?s=20

mountgomery burns · 17-10-2020 11:29AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

What is the definition of zero covid?

Zero community transmission, deemed successful by having zero community transmission for a number of days defined as a "suitable period of time".

Below is the link to their strategies principals and documentation

https://www.isagcovid19.org/

A lot of it overlaps with NPHET. But you could book it down to three fundamentals that Staines mentioned on Claire Byrne live the other day:

•Lockdown restrictions to reduce the spread down to zero community transmission
•Mandatory testing at airports and ports rather than quarantine I think
•Enhanced testing, track and trace systems

There are some inherent flaws:

>Public appetite for another lockdown, in this one would have no defined period. Expect it to be long.
>Testing resources
>Cross border approach, you don't just need the North to buy in but Britain would have to as well
>What happens when you inevitably see transmission as they did in NZ?

On that last point, Staines mentioned at the special Covid committee about how outbreaks had been seen in China and NZ since but they were able to deal with them effectively due to their approach.

Now, that means the persistence of regional lockdowns and in the case of the Chinese in particular more Draconian measures than we've seen already.

Furthermore, back in August Scotland declared they were going to adopt a zero Covid strategy which would shape their policies. Their rate of infection now is higher than ours, and I think that underlines how in isolation it doesn't work where you have borders with multiple jurisdictions.

But the thing that really aggravates me about it is the reference to track and trace. Staines, McConkey, Killeen and Ryan get loads of airtime to elaborate but never do.

What are the obstacles causing problems with the process at the moment? How do we overcome them? How would they resource this, finance it and staff it? It's clear that the failure to test at airports has arisen as it was decided we did not have the resources to divert for the benefit it would give, so where are the getting the additional capacity from?

Until they start giving specific details of the strategy at work I don't see how you could take it seriously.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 11:31AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The restrictions of nobody being able to visit even in the garden is shocking to me.
I've only had people in the garden since march as I understand fluid dynamics.

The thoughts of six months of this is getting in on me.

I'm putting it out there. I don't know the solution.

This is killer.

It's truly awful.

I accept it, and support the measures. But it is awful. And all the more so considering it wasn't our fate.

I want to fast forward this winter. And for my parents to be there next summer.

AlphaDelta1 · 17-10-2020 11:31AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The restrictions of nobody being able to visit even in the garden is shocking to me.
I've only had people in the garden since march as I understand fluid dynamics.

The thoughts of six months of this is getting in on me.

I'm putting it out there. I don't know the solution.

This is killer.

I'm no expert by any means but my advice to you would be to step away from the internet and the media. Watch the news maybe once a day at 9pm to catch up and then forget it.

hmmm · 17-10-2020 11:32AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I literally don't see a way out.
Having a bit of a wobble here and I've been steady throughout.

The next few months will be difficult, no doubt about that.

But in 2021 we are going to see rapid testing, therapeutics and vaccines which will help to gradually improve things. I think people are underestimating the impact rapid cheap testing is going to have in particular - a 5 euro test with results in 15 minutes would make things a lot safer for airlines, restaurants, pubs, offices, nursing homes etc.

speckle · 17-10-2020 11:34AM

Ger Roe wrote: »

Good move. Was it a primary or secondary school?

Primary nearby but in some of the schools slightly further a field, they did a vsriation of it for the secondary schools... it was a bit of a nightmare re classtimes I heard/not exactly sure how it works but they put the effort in. Fair dues. Also local primary staggered start and end times to the day. So less parents gathering I dont know how that works if kids in two different years, but can ask next time I see someone.

igCorcaigh · 17-10-2020 11:36AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Where was I back in 2009? I hardly noticed the swine flu and no care in the world. I had a crappy phone and couldn't barely access the internet. I hardly watched the news so have no idea if they went on about cases. I was working at the time and my workplace had no guidance or advice. There was none of this 2 metre apart and wearing masks.

Covid has really brought on bad anxiety for me and I just want to join my cat under the bed.

I can remember hand sanitiser in 2009 but that was about it. A few people wore masks, but the vast majority didn't. That flu hit vulnerable kids hard, and some died.

We didn't do social distancing then, i hadn't heard of the term until this year.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 11:36AM

hmmm wrote: »

The next few months will be difficult, no doubt about that.

But in 2021 we are going to see rapid testing, therapeutics and vaccines which will help to gradually improve things. I think people are underestimating the impact rapid cheap testing is going to have in particular - a 5 euro test with results in 15 minutes would make things a lot safer for airlines, restaurants, pubs, offices, nursing homes etc.

Thanks Hmmm. Great to hear the optimism. It would be good for everyone if we had some definite news on a vaccine soon. Even if the news is that we'll have it 6 months time, I think that would mean people would be much more accepting of and compliant with a hard lockdown. I think the big issue at the moment is that people can't see light at the end of tunnel, they want to live their lives and don't see the point in following restrictions.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-10-2020 11:36AM

https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1317229951117103110?s=19

This a great thread. School children are tested intensely yet have lowest positivity.

School children are not the problem.

GAA parties have been way more detrimental to the spread of Covid.

podgeandrodge · 17-10-2020 11:37AM

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET haven't learned from any of their mistakes. Going to level 5 is also a mistake. Forcing businesses that have been operating safely without any COVID cases to shut while allowing schools with cases to remain open is a mistake. Shouting headline grabbing case numbers every night of the week while 80% are asymptomatic is a mistake. Not dealing with the important numbers like test result times, contact tracing effectiveness, and hospital and ICU capacity are further mistakes.

I don't get it. I had posted recently that Sylvie Briand, Director, Global Infectious Hazard Preparedness of WHO said yesterday that you can manage the risk by reducing crowded spaces and poorly ventilated spaces combined with not doing activities which increase breath in those spaces.

That does not seem like Level 5, or Level 4 for that matter, but a more logical and targeted approach to type of businesses to be closed or restricted.

Why are they threatening innocuous retail where for the most part you aren't packed in like sardines and can move around reasonably spaced away from other people. Same can be said for properly managed pubs/restaurants.

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

School children are not the problem.

GAA parties have been way more detrimental to the spread of Covid.

Whatever it is, it isn't a trip to Power City or a contained pint in a socially distanced pub or restaurant that is causing the increases.

Curious_Case · 17-10-2020 11:39AM

blackcard wrote: »

Over the past 6 weeks or so, I have been watching the case numbers in Belgium. They seem to be always about 2 weeks ahead of us in relation to case numbers. Based on them getting over 10,000 cases yesterday and the day before and an average of 40 deaths for both days, we are heading for 5000 cases and 20 deaths per day in a couple of weeks. Hope that I am completely wrong

Interesting, I guess the Irish curve will continue to follow the Belgian curve unless the two countries significantly diverge in terms of levels of restrictions.

I note your observations of a 2 week lag and the scale factor of .5 when converting from Belgian numbers to Irish numbers.

6 weeks of similarity is difficult to dismiss regarding the "future trajectory" of Ireland's graph.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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