Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Zebra3 · 16-10-2020 06:57PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhilWilliams/status/1317126762267090956

Bit of light relief.

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 06:57PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet again you display your hypocrisy. On one hand you denigrate and call disgraceful other people trying to live their lives, while on the other hand you decide that the ban on visiting other households doesn't apply to you simply because you decided so.

Its comtemptable. Can you imagine the chaos if everybody acted like you, everybody deciding that they were essential and got to make their own rules?

Hypocrisy is bad enough, but when we see the bile you direct at other people it just makes it all the worse.

I find the best way to do deal with nox's nonsense posts is either to ignore or if replying just rip the pi*s out of them. They don't deserve a serious response

KindOfIrish · 16-10-2020 07:00PM

dalyboy wrote: »

No tbh. I’ve extensively researched ALL viable options in Europe.

I was seriously thinking Germany , Czech Republic, or Netherlands (they’re all getting a bit lockdown trigger happy too though with closing there amenities etc)

Spain is unfortunately a no go for me because of the “masks everywhere “ law. (I’m going on a holiday not a hospital so fcuk that place)

I’m willing to concede the sun for 4-5 weeks to live a normal life. Bars , coffee shops , restaurants, spas , hotels , shops all open in Sweden .

Most importantly the 24/7 freak show media will be 2500 miles away.

I'm the same. Have cancelled our traditional Christmas holidays in Spain because of idiotic requirements to wear masks outside. Not acceptable under any circumstances.

walus · 16-10-2020 07:11PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m not a lockdown merchant but i’m failrly confident ( from doing actual research and not pulling opinions out of my arse) there will be a vaccine.

That I would be certain of as well, just as I’m certain that machines will have a super level of intelligence. The question is when? And that is the important piece of information.

And because the vaccine for corona virus has never been developed before, it is best to assume that it will take longer than we anticipate. A cognitive fallacy we all are prone to.

16-10-2020 07:18PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I’ve already checked flights to Stockholm for mid November. €270 cheapest I’ve found so far. Bargain price to pay and get out of this mad disaster of a nation

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yea I was actually doing the same but to to go Gran Canaria with Aer Lingus- flight schedule seems to be massively cut from last time I was there (understandably as they can’t run empty planes- they’re not nphet living on planet zog on guaranteed massive salaries doing nothing) and anything running appears sold out- is there anywhere else nice this time of year accessible and available? Sweden sounds good but I want sun!
Anywhere would be better than here- this is a lunatic asylum. It’s worse than last spring actually now

I could not even fathom why a person would want to go somewhere other than here. As bad as things are getting we are still managing better than most. I couldn’t imagine why you would want to go somewhere open and mix with people. Mind boggling.

This is why we need to close the airports.

FintanMcluskey · 16-10-2020 07:23PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

I couldn’t imagine why you would want to go somewhere open and mix with people. Mind boggling.

And with that, humans became extinct through a weird form of Darwinism

Happydays2020 · 16-10-2020 07:26PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What would you propose? I’ve put forward a proposal that we stay in level 3 for this wave with better enforcement. We should then reopen everything under Covid protocols for winter and drop restrictions once the spring/summer approaches. This was a major mistake over the summer when RTÉ / NPHET couldn’t give the population a break with their never ending doom and gloom. Meanwhile they did zero to prepare the health service, track & trace for the upcoming winter. Not good enough.

This. Very well said.

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 07:34PM

I see the main covid thread has gone full hysteria. Talk of curfew, bringing out the army and throwing people in prison. Compared to it the this thread is an ocean of calm

Penfailed · 16-10-2020 07:36PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What would you propose?

Your question bares no relation to the post you quoted...?

16-10-2020 07:37PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet again you display your hypocrisy. On one hand you denigrate and call disgraceful other people trying to live their lives, while on the other hand you decide that the ban on visiting other households doesn't apply to you simply because you decided so.

Its comtemptable. Can you imagine the chaos if everybody acted like you, everybody deciding that they were essential and got to make their own rules?

Hypocrisy is bad enough, but when we see the bile you direct at other people it just makes it all the worse.

I have clearly and repeatedly said that I am breaking no rules. You can’t appear to understand that as you are too busy talking absolute nonsense about hypocrisy. How can it be hypocrisy when I am within all law, restrictions and guidelines. You are just trolling me at this stage.

I’m any case this weekend I will not be entering the house only calling to work on the farm, you will probably claim farming is not essential though. I’ll be living right next door soon but you would probably still make up something to claim I’m doing wrong for being there then.

Penfailed · 16-10-2020 07:38PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

I'm the same. Have cancelled our traditional Christmas holidays in Spain because of idiotic requirements to wear masks outside. Not acceptable under any circumstances.

Imagine! Somewhere with more severe restrictions than us!

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 07:41PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

I have clearly and repeatedly said that I am breaking no rules. You can’t appear to understand that as you are too busy talking absolute nonsense about hypocrisy. How can it be hypocrisy when I am within all law, restrictions and guidelines. You are just trolling me at this stage.

I’m any case this weekend I will not be entering the house only calling to work on the farm. I’ll be living right next door soon but you would probably still make up something to claim I’m doing wrong for being there then.

Pot, kettle, black

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 16-10-2020 07:43PM

Lundstram wrote: »

37 years and counting for AIDS. Prep, which I use myself is an excellent alternative but it’s not a vaccine.

Pie in the sky stuff this vaccine talk. But hey, Madyaker, copied and pasted some stuff from the vaccine thread to here so it’s all going to be ok.

Very different viruses. The HIV virus is very unstable and prone to mutation. Its sloppiness at replication is a big part of why it’s a successful pathogen. It won’t be that long for coronavirus. It could take a few years but it most certainly is not pie in the sky thinking to be confident that a vaccine will be developed.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 07:44PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

you are just trolling

Having seen your posts across a number of threads I've refrained from saying anything until now but I'll just leave this here. Sums up the threads I've seen

risteard7 · 16-10-2020 07:46PM

A leading infectious disease consultant at Cork University Hospital (CUH) has confirmed that the hospital is not overwhelmed by Covid-19, is managing current pressures, and has urged patients to continue attending for medical treatment.

Professor Mary Horgan said it was not unusual for intensive care beds to be at capacity at this time of year and confirmed that just one patient was in ICU with Covid-19.

Figures published by the HSE this week showed that CUH was among several hospitals without intensive care beds as the country grapples with a second wave of Covid-19 infections.

“It’s not unusual for ICU beds to be at capacity, the challenge now is that we have Covid on top of this,” Professor Horgan told the Irish Examiner.

“There is a fear out there that the place is overwhelmed with patients with Covid-19 and people might get it from them. That is not the case,” she added.

Exactly the same in the hospital I work in but every time I mention it I'm shot down.

16-10-2020 07:50PM

ShyMets wrote: »

I see the main covid thread has gone full hysteria. Talk of curfew, bringing out the army and throwing people in prison. Compared to it the this thread is an ocean of calm

So that’s where all the sensible people are.

Rrrrrr2 · 16-10-2020 07:53PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Yet again you display your hypocrisy. On one hand you denigrate and call disgraceful other people trying to live their lives, while on the other hand you decide that the ban on visiting other households doesn't apply to you simply because you decided so.

Its comtemptable. Can you imagine the chaos if everybody acted like you, everybody deciding that they were essential and got to make their own rules?

Hypocrisy is bad enough, but when we see the bile you direct at other people it just makes it all the worse.

Most lockdown loving “concerned” citizens are the biggest hypocrites you’ll find on the planet - there’s been a well established pattern of them all picking and choosing whatever rules that suit.
You either practice and believe in lockdowns or you don’t. The virus doesn’t make exceptions

charlie14 · 16-10-2020 07:54PM

rusty cole wrote: »

oh right we're down to the brass tacks of pathology now are we.

Cancer, diabetes and even depression have been described as epidemics but don't take my word for it, ask the pharma companies who use the terms to sell the drugs for the "treatment" of..

Of the health sector you speak of, what's paul reid been doing the last 6 months?? cos he hasn't been stacking body bags and building more mobile mortuaries.. he's been doing feck all tracing and speaking at odds with NEPHET.
but as soon as the bad news is here, he's telling us we have to make the sacrifices now because he took his eye off the ball and went playing golf.

where's the details on the deaths by the way?? age profile? setting? underlying condition?? not being discussed any more, why?? we all bloody know why...

You do not need to be a pathologist, or even have any medical qualification to know that a virus is not a disease. It`s just a fact.

I doubt somehow medical companies are advertising treatments for medical condition as a treatment for a virus.

A virus, and this one in articular, can cause disease or worsen an existing disease.
If you wish to maintain all hospital services treating the diseases you mentioned earlier, plus many others, then with large increases of people infected by Covid-!9 in hospital beds and hospital ICUs that simply will not be possible. Not unless you have an infinite number of hospital beds, ICUs and personnel to staff them.
The only way to maintain hospital services is to keep Covid-19 numbers low.

If you do not want to accept that by going off on a rant, then that has nothing to do with me. Nor is it going to change those facts in the slightest.

ShyMets · 16-10-2020 07:55PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

So that’s where all the sensible people are.

As you're the very persona of sense you should get over there pronto. I really feel your posts would add great depth and nuance to the discussion

Captain_Crash · 16-10-2020 08:08PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You do not need to be a pathologist, or even have any medical qualification to know that a virus is not a disease. It`s just a fact.

Best tell the WHO that: https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1

charlie14 · 16-10-2020 08:20PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Best tell the WHO that: https://www.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus#tab=tab_1

They are entitled to their opinion. Not what I was taught in second level or any definition I have seen since. I do not see what it has to do with the points I raised in relation to medical conditions and a highly infectious virus in hospitals.
Do you ?

Silentcorner · 16-10-2020 08:24PM

ShyMets wrote: »

I see the main covid thread has gone full hysteria. Talk of curfew, bringing out the army and throwing people in prison. Compared to it the this thread is an ocean of calm

I'm guessing, but the difference is media exposure and what media people are exposing themselves to!!!

This pandemic ended in May, we are now dealing with a virus that you don't want to get but you don't completely crash an economy for either!

16-10-2020 08:30PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'm guessing, but the difference is media exposure and what media people are exposing themselves to!!!

This pandemic ended in May, we are now dealing with a virus that you don't want to get but you don't completely crash an economy for either!

The authoritative voice of reason has spoken. Must say I'm relieved it's over, by startling coincidence all the experts were wrong.

Captain_Crash · 16-10-2020 08:30PM

charlie14 wrote: »

They are entitled to their opinion. Not what I was taught in second level or any definition I have seen since. I do not see what it has to do with the points I raised in relation to medical conditions and a highly infectious virus in hospitals.
Do you ?

You said a virus is not a disease, I merely pointed out that the WHO don’t agree with that point! If you want to think different it that’s up to you.

Silentcorner · 16-10-2020 08:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The authoritative voice of reason has spoken. Must say I'm relieved it's over, by startling coincidence all the experts were wrong.

Another data denier.

You probably think we have angered some kind of god?

charlie14 · 16-10-2020 08:42PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

You said a virus is not a disease, I merely pointed out that the WHO don’t agree with that point! If you want to think different it that’s up to you.

So basically as you could find nothing wrong in the assertion that you cannot have large increases in Covid-19 cases, what subsequently occurs and expect hospital services to carry on as usual, you just went for a bit of nit picking instead.

MadYaker · 16-10-2020 08:44PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'm guessing, but the difference is media exposure and what media people are exposing themselves to!!!

This pandemic ended in May, we are now dealing with a virus that you don't want to get but you don't completely crash an economy for either!

I’d love some elaboration on how the pandemic has been over since May? I’ve seen some wild takes in this thread but that’s one of the wildest. Though I don’t expect a proper explanation, just a glib comment.

charlie14 · 16-10-2020 08:47PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'm guessing, but the difference is media exposure and what media people are exposing themselves to!!!

This pandemic ended in May, we are now dealing with a virus that you don't want to get but you don't completely crash an economy for either!

The pandemic was declared over in May.
Thank heavens for that.

I thought all these new cases worldwide were still part of the same pandemic.

Rrrrrr2 · 16-10-2020 08:49PM

charlie14 wrote: »

The pandemic was declared over in May.
Thank heavens for that.

I thought all these new cases worldwide were still part of the same pandemic.

Cases and a pandemic aren’t the same thing. Basic stuff

Captain_Crash · 16-10-2020 08:50PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So basically as you could find nothing wrong in the assertion that you cannot have large increases in Covid-19 cases, what subsequently occurs and expect hospital services to carry on as usual, you just went for a bit of nit picking instead.

If you want to have a chat with someone else about hospital capacity off you go. I pointed out you were misunderstood on a virus being disease.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings