Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Rrrrrr2

Multipass wrote: »

I haven’t really been following the news, but I’m just back from the supermarket. Are we panic buying again now? Shelves were empty. I missed the memo...

God not this ****e over again

I wouldn't mind what was the HSE doing all summer while we were outdoors and socially distancing?? oh yeah, taking down the DEATH tents and temporary morgues..no mobilizing of the troops for a second wave, so now were have to lose our jobs because they cannot agree, cannot plan ahead or cannot make it to a meeting on time it even seems!!

charlie14

Zebra3 wrote: »

The simple answer?

Like what is going on now?

If by that you mean attempting to slow the spread and subsequent rise in numbers that will result in more hospital admissions and numbers in ICUs then yes.

charlie14

charlie14 wrote: »

It is not a disease.
It is a virus that can cause a worsening of a disease.


Of course it is adding to healthcare problems for hospitals because of the high risk value of it to those in hospital with diseases.
Cancer, diabetes, depression anxiety disorders all of which you mentioned are not infectious. Covid-19 is.
The simple answer as to treating all those, other than Covid-19, as before in hospitals is to keep Covid-19 infections from rising to a level where they effect other treatments in hospitals.

oh right we're down to the brass tacks of pathology now are we.

Cancer, diabetes and even depression have been described as epidemics but don't take my word for it, ask the pharma companies who use the terms to sell the drugs for the "treatment" of..

Of the health sector you speak of, what's paul reid been doing the last 6 months?? cos he hasn't been stacking body bags and building more mobile mortuaries.. he's been doing feck all tracing and speaking at odds with NEPHET.
but as soon as the bad news is here, he's telling us we have to make the sacrifices now because he took his eye off the ball and went playing golf.

where's the details on the deaths by the way?? age profile? setting? underlying condition?? not being discussed any more, why?? we all bloody know why...

charlie14

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yes very much so. And there’s people I’d never view the same way either- it’s clear a huge proportion would throw their grannies off a cliff just “to be safe”

I think it`s clear that a sizeable minority would also throw their grannies off cliffs if they thought they thought those grannies would inconvenience them in the slightest.

uli84

Bunch of idiots, all for the sake of patting each other mid-Dec and being proud and admired by the silly public for ‘saving christmas’

dalyboy

charlie14 wrote: »

I think it`s clear that a sizeable minority would also throw their grannies off cliffs if they thought they thought those grannies would inconvenience them in the slightest.

I know a lot of grannies who would voluntarily jump off a cliff if it would save their future generations prospects of a normal / prosperous/ happy life.

Graces7

rusty cole wrote: »

At the end of the day it's a disease, like cancer and like diabetes
some are cause by lifestyle and others have a myriad of causes BUT they are all diseases. heart disease kills over 100 people in the USA every HOUR!!!

My point is, they are ALL diseases and deserve treatment. The treatment for this is adding to the requirement for cancer treatment, depression, anxiety disorders etc etc, all diseases...

None of the diseases you mention are contagious.

That is the crux.

Graces7

rusty cole wrote: »

oh right we're down to the brass tacks of pathology now are we.

Cancer, diabetes and even depression have been described as epidemics but don't take my word for it, ask the pharma companies who use the terms to sell the drugs for the "treatment" of..

Of the health sector you speak of, what's paul reid been doing the last 6 months?? cos he hasn't been stacking body bags and building more mobile mortuaries.. he's been doing feck all tracing and speaking at odds with NEPHET.
but as soon as the bad news is here, he's telling us we have to make the sacrifices now because he took his eye off the ball and went playing golf.

where's the details on the deaths by the way?? age profile? setting? underlying condition?? not being discussed any more, why?? we all know why...

Yes we do know why. It is to spare bereaved families the added pain of seeing their loved ones' deaths reduced to clinical statistics, to give them privacy.

Plumbthedepths

Graces7 wrote: »

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Yes we do know why. It is to spare bereaved families the added pain of seeing their loved ones' deaths reduced to clinical statistics, to give them privacy.

Funny that , we always get the details of road traffic fatalities, with the exception of underlying conditions.

bucketybuck

MadYaker wrote: »

Yes I am. Looks like this coronavirus vaccine will probably set a record for the fastest development ever, currently held by the Ebola vaccine which took about 4 years I think. Science advances quick, especially when stuff like this happens. The 1918 flu pandemic basically spawned modern microbiology.

So, there has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus, and to change that we will be relying on what would be the fastest developed vaccine in history.

And yet you cannot understand why some people may be sceptical?

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

Bring on level 5. We’ll all be much better off when we finally learn that restrictions/lockdowns don’t work. And government/NPHET are slow learners.

PS: Why is nobody talking about the tiny death rate?

Originally we wanted to prevent deaths when we thought 250000 could die. Now we are just trying to prevent cases, even if nearly all have no symptoms. It’s frankly bizarre.

It's beyond bizarre. Around 85 people die every single day of the year in Ireland.

2 or 3 of these deaths are people in their late 80's who have died with Covid.

That the government are actually considering ordering thousands of viable businesses to close back down and put hundreds of thousands back onto the PUP payment is fcuking outrageous. The cost of this response will lead to way more untimely deaths than the actual virus.

This is a social-media pandemic and the response to it is being driven by hysteria and fear-mongering.

uli84

Thanks god for working from home, Think im gonna observe the situation for few more days and then likely get the **** out of here for a bit

charlie14

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Not true. I have been posting since thread iteration 2. Plenty of suggestions as this has progressed.

I strongly suspect it is those who have been made poorer during this crisis while watching many in society who have been financially cocooned from effects, that may be more likely to be flouting guidelines. They have been failed miserably and betrayed by their government.

I have always advocated targeted protections. And I don’t mean locking anyone away. I am happy to comply with all precautions in any public place a vulnerable person would have need to visit.

The attitude that it is too difficult to protect residential care homes is lazy and dismissive to those in them.



There has been time to prepare ourselves for this years usual hospital overload, but it has been squandered.

I’m not sure how you arrive at the conclusion I would like to see test and trace abandoned.

If carried out correctly and any loss of income/threat of losing a job, were fully supported financially by government it would be a very useful tool. I’m worried how the only way you think to have greater compliance is with enforcement and fines.

If there were no consequences to anyone quarantining you would have greater compliance.

Fair enough, and apologies for thinking you may be like quite a few here who do a lot of shouting down without proposing anything themselves.


I agree with you on nursing homes. I would go even further in blaming the HSE for at least some of what happened in nursing home where instead of ensuring they were adequately staffed with the proper protocols in place were instead trying to recruit nursing home staff.


For those who have been informed they are a close contact, then I`m afraid I have no sympathy for them not turning up to be tested and believe a penalty for not doing so would put a stop to it.


Anyone who has tested positive and is required to quarantine, then pay them sick benefit. Same as they would receive for any other medical problem that caused them to miss work.
If, with being confirmed as positive they then broke that quarantine, I would have even less sympathy should they get a stiff penalty for doing so.

charlie14

bucketybuck wrote: »

So, there has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus, and to change that we will be relying on what would be the fastest developed vaccine in history.

And yet you cannot understand why some people may be sceptical?

I can perfectly understand why they might be sceptical.
What I cannot understand is how anybody thinks we are going anywhere attempting to combat this without a vaccine.
There was never a vaccine for polio or many other conditions.
Do people somehow believe that we would have got those to the level they are without a vaccine

charlie14

dalyboy wrote: »

I know a lot of grannies who would voluntarily jump off a cliff if it would save their future generations prospects of a normal / prosperous/ happy life.

Theoretically maybe, but I have not seen them forming a line yet.
Those that would happily throw them of that cliff for inconveniencing them on the other hand......

FintanMcluskey

RobitTV wrote: »

Is it just me or has the virus turned a large number of people into absolute ****ing fanatics.

I genuinely believe things will never be the same again because of this fanatical thought process.

The damage is irreversible, society won’t recover.

Covid brain mush is a real illness and should be added to the medical encyclopaedia

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

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Yes we do know why. It is to spare bereaved families the added pain of seeing their loved ones' deaths reduced to clinical statistics, to give them privacy.

Oh my jasus...as opposed to the dead you see at 6.01 during the first wave??. Remember that?? Their actual identities and photos..what a pathetic virtue signalling cop out of the most uneducated order.. these are stats the public have a right to know about..they are not redacted stats to withold for your agenda..its just as well youre not a historian..." spanish flu killed everybody guys because we cannot give profiles to study out of respect guys"...

Rrrrrr2

charlie14 wrote: »

I think it`s clear that a sizeable minority would also throw their grannies off cliffs if they thought they thought those grannies would inconvenience them in the slightest.

And it’s clear there’s a sizeable minority that love to use their grannies as theIr latest virtue signalling moral superiority fodder.

dalyboy

uli84 wrote: »

Thanks god for working from home, Think im gonna observe the situation for few more days and then likely get the **** out of here for a bit

I’ve already checked flights to Stockholm for mid November. €270 cheapest I’ve found so far. Bargain price to pay and get out of this mad disaster of a nation

Rrrrrr2

dalyboy wrote: »

I’ve already checked flights to Stockholm for mid November. €270 cheapest I’ve found so far. Bargain price to pay and get out of this mad disaster of a nation

Yea I was actually doing the same but to to go Gran Canaria with Aer Lingus- flight schedule seems to be massively cut from last time I was there (understandably as they can’t run empty planes- they’re not nphet living on planet zog on guaranteed massive salaries doing nothing) and anything running appears sold out- is there anywhere else nice this time of year accessible and available? Sweden sounds good but I want sun!
Anywhere would be better than here- this is a lunatic asylum. It’s worse than last spring actually now

charlie14

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

And it’s clear there’s a sizeable minority that love to use their grannies as theIr latest virtue signalling moral superiority fodder.

On that basis having no longer a grannie then I am a neutral observer here.

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

Going by the social media were definitely moving too level 5

One newspaper had a 'what will level 5 be like'

You're taking social media as a reliable source? That's twice you've posted similar this afternoon. I suggest you wait and see rather than getting worked up about something you have absolutely no control over.

brisan

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yea I was actually doing the same but to to go Gran Canaria with Aer Lingus- flight schedule seems to be massively cut from last time I was there (understandably as they can’t run empty planes- they’re not nphet living on planet zog on guaranteed massive salaries doing nothing) and anything running appears sold out- is there anywhere else nice this time of year accessible and available? Sweden sounds good but I want sun!
Anywhere would be better than here- this is a lunatic asylum. It’s worse than last spring actually now

I have the Canaries bookd for 7 days at Christmas
Do not care about the weather
No phone no TV no newspaper just a few pints and a mental relaxation
And sod the quarantine , I will do it if I have to

dalyboy

Rrrrrr2 wrote: »

Yea I was actually doing the same but to to go Gran Canaria with Aer Lingus- flight schedule seems to be massively cut from last time I was there (understandably as they can’t run empty planes- they’re not nphet living on planet zog on guaranteed massive salaries doing nothing) and anything running appears sold out- is there anywhere else nice this time of year accessible and available? Sweden sounds good but I want sun!
Anywhere would be better than here- this is a lunatic asylum. It’s worse than last spring actually now

No tbh. I’ve extensively researched ALL viable options in Europe.

I was seriously thinking Germany , Czech Republic, or Netherlands (they’re all getting a bit lockdown trigger happy too though with closing there amenities etc)

Spain is unfortunately a no go for me because of the “masks everywhere “ law. (I’m going on a holiday not a hospital so fcuk that place)

I’m willing to concede the sun for 4-5 weeks to live a normal life. Bars , coffee shops , restaurants, spas , hotels , shops all open in Sweden .

Most importantly the 24/7 freak show media will be 2500 miles away.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The damage is irreversible, society won’t recover.

Hahaha! Talk about fear mongering...

bucketybuck

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

I will if needed be calling home for essential reasons like farming and childcare as I do at all times. If there is level 5 then things change and only farming and staying outside would be done.

To be honest we are essentially the same household anyway (it’s also the only address ever to my name). So no rules are broken.

Yet again you display your hypocrisy. On one hand you denigrate and call disgraceful other people trying to live their lives, while on the other hand you decide that the ban on visiting other households doesn't apply to you simply because you decided so.

Its comtemptable. Can you imagine the chaos if everybody acted like you, everybody deciding that they were essential and got to make their own rules?

Hypocrisy is bad enough, but when we see the bile you direct at other people it just makes it all the worse.

pjohnson

Penfailed wrote: »

Hahaha! Talk about fear mongering...

They've been very bad today.

CruelSummer

pjohnson wrote: »

They've been very bad today.

Do you think we should go to level 5?

CruelSummer

Penfailed wrote: »

Hahaha! Talk about fear mongering...

What would you propose? I’ve put forward a proposal that we stay in level 3 for this wave with better enforcement. We should then reopen everything under Covid protocols for winter and drop restrictions once the spring/summer approaches. This was a major mistake over the summer when RTÉ / NPHET couldn’t give the population a break with their never ending doom and gloom. Meanwhile they did zero to prepare the health service, track & trace for the upcoming winter. Not good enough.