Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

My child is not in the same year as the sick child but we do have someone recovering from cancer in our home. I am worried.

Giving medical advice is not allowed here, but it sounds like you would be less worried if you kept your child home.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes.
I think they have got such a fright in recent days up north that they would be in agreement .

Could they even call a full lockdown including Borders without the UK say so??

Goldengirl wrote: »

I don't know .
I think they did up the restrictions and close schools in March before Boris did in UK .
Would be difficult and they couldn't close to UK border , I would imagine .

I wonder if they could have people coming in quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel. It would not be a closed border per se, the people would still be able to enter the North, they would just have to quarantine for 2 weeks. Might be a work around.

wes wrote: »

I wonder if they could have people coming in quarantine for 2 weeks in a hotel. It would not be a closed border per se, the people would still be able to enter the North, they would just have to quarantine for 2 weeks. Might be a work around.

It would work. Impossible to police I’d guess though unfortunately. Having been up there a few times and knowing the psychological makeup to an ‘extent’, I’d expect low compliance.

High reward to the people from there , higher risk to the state and its people here.

Great, I think everyone is gone to bed, like I am just about too. But while everyone was understandably de-stressing from the shock leak by bickering, I went searching online to see what I could find.;)

So what is the real reasons behind wanting to jump levels? Well watch this video. It is not that we exactly have a huge increase hospitalizations/ICU covid admissions, (which are at a lower percentage per cases this time round but growing slowly but steadily).

It is the backlog (from earlier in the year and historical) of outpatient appointments and surgery's right across the departments in hospitals coinciding with increased emergency department visits by high risk/older/vulnerable people, who probably put off going and are now presenting with more complex issues. A lack of capacity, staff covid burnout and Gp's this retiring also mentioned.

From the Royal College of surgeons of Ireland, discussing the situation 2 weeks ago, re the hospitals in Cork, Limerick, Galway/west and Belfast/North.(before recent numbers) @ 5mins/18mins/39mins/57mins.

Note the mention of level 5 in the first two minutes.



I blame all government parties over the last 20 years for their lack of investment in the public health service and the HSE for the lack of reorganising it.

And more recently, Nephet/government for not treating us like adults, and imparting to us the Irish people, the likes of the information in this video. It should have been on prime time TV even replacing an hour of the Late Late Show. So we all could have an informed debate, on how to balance the interdependence of economy and health care going into the next year. We could have let the Irish people start thinking of creative ideas to help.

I am as mad as hell because of the lack of transparency from Nephet/HSE and the government... grow up and treat us as adults and stop blaming every sector of society as breaking restrictions/regulations while your own house needs to get into order.:mad:

Rant over, I am going to bed now with a video/research paper talking about of how Bahrain turned the 3rd floor of a car park into an ICU in 7days with 130 beds!:)

speckle wrote: »

Great, I think everyone is gone to bed, like I am just about too. But while everyone was understandably de-stressing from the shock leak by bickering, I went searching online to see what I could find.;)

So what is the real reasons behind wanting to jump levels? Well watch this video. It is not that we exactly have a huge increase hospitalizations/ICU covid admissions, (which are at a lower percentage per cases this time round but growing slowly but steadily).

It is the backlog (from earlier in the year and historical) of outpatient appointments and surgery's right across the departments in hospitals coinciding with increased emergency department visits by high risk/older/vulnerable people, who probably put off going and are now presenting with more complex issues. A lack of capacity, staff covid burnout and Gp's this retiring also mentioned.

From the Royal College of surgeons of Ireland, discussing the situation 2 weeks ago, re the hospitals in Cork, Limerick, Galway/west and Belfast/North.(before recent numbers) @ 5mins/18mins/39mins/57mins.

Note the mention of level 5 in the first two minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfXL8clzYYg

I blame all government parties over the last 20 years for their lack of investment in the public health service and the HSE for the lack of reorganising it.

And more recently, Nephet/government for not treating us like adults, and imparting to us the Irish people, the likes of the information in this video. It should have been on prime time TV even replacing an hour of the Late Late Show. So we all could have an informed debate, on how to balance the interdependence of economy and health care going into the next year. We could have let the Irish people start thinking of creative ideas to help.

I am as mad as hell because of the lack of transparency from Nephet/HSE and the government... grow up and treat us as adults and stop blaming every sector of society as breaking restrictions/regulations while your own house needs to get into order.:mad:

Rant over, I am going to bed now with a video/research paper talking about of how Bahrain turned the 3rd floor of a car park into an ICU in 7days with 130 beds!:)

We spend almost a quarter of our money on health but its a total black hole with a bloated HSE with zero accountability

So, what we are hearing is that the main risks are people having parties in homes etc. Plus university students letting off steam. What we are not hearing (officially) are the issues in respect to schools.

So what is the solution - let’s close all non essential businesses who in the round have been very compliant. That means Ikea, hardware stores, clothes shops, shopping centres. Business who invested to keep customers and staff safe (and to a large extent did so). Are construction sites to close? What about marts? And factories?

The level of uncertainty this bomb has introduced will shake society and the economy. Only last Thursday they decided not to recommend moving counties with increasing numbers to level 3. They have been very political in recent weeks - off record briefings to journalists, comments in respect to Govt.

In the meantime we have had excuse after excuse from the health service on contact tracing and capacity. Still no additional capacity. They are blaming everyone except themselves. We have given billions to them year after year - the health service looks for problems not solutions. They had a blank chequebook and did not even know what to do with it. The vested interests (certainly not nurses) and dire management in the health service are what are to blame - yet already they are blaming Govt and the taxpayer for not resourcing them. We have resourced them - they just did not deliver.

TexasTornado wrote: »

I don't give a hoot about Xmas but i do think zero Covid will have now have to be seriously looked at. We simply can not go on opening and reclosing businesses like this until the vaccine comes along which could be 6 months, a year or two.

That's exactly what ZeroCovid requires as well. Any defined or promised timelines to clear out the virus are just guesswork. Zero Covid also brings the risk of a lot more mental health issues. It's the behavioural stuff we need to get a handle on and for people to understand that it is not life as usual nor can it be for a good while longer. Most people can manage that with a more limited approach to social contacts.

According to the wireless there will be nothing happening Re the level 5 today.no cabinet meeting until Tuesday and Leo needs time to watch 3 lord of the rings and 3 hobbit films to find a suitable poem.
Michael martin has also vowed to have all Harry Potter films watched by Tuesday and have some inspirational quotes sourced.
All systems are go.

JTMan wrote: »

Seems like Phase 4 announcement tomorrow evening effective midnight tomorrow. Is that the most likely outcome?

For Dublin sure but whatever the decision it'll need a good bit of decent communication from the Govt to calm people down.

Has the letter from NPHET last night been published?
Would like to read it.

wadacrack wrote: »

All of Europe preparing for a 2nd lockdown , while NZ is open. Zero Covid not a pipedream . Most public health experts agree

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1312909509120196610

It's 5m people in the middle of nowhere with closed borders versus a population of 750m! They've also had a 2nd lockdown.