Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s accurate to say any remaining support for NEPHET has now gone

I'd wait and see what the official recommendations are and based on what data before I make a judgement.... but yeah it seems ****ed up. No stage 3/4, just to stage 5, that seems a total misstep.

I knew Dr Tony wouldn’t let us down guys, he’s such a total ledge. That said, word on the street here in Dalkey is that they are softening us up for a level 4.5.

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd wait and see what the official recommendations are and based on what data before I make a judgement.... but yeah it seems ****ed up. No stage 3/4, just to stage 5, that seems a total misstep.

Skipping a step but things seem to have escalated VERY quickly. It’s probably warranted.

Gradius wrote: »

Oh I'm worth it, like Maybelline says.

When the arse is hanging out your trousers next spring, and the country's too, you'll be onboard for solutions.

Argue for no change, you'll get what you deserve.

Yeah no I'd still rather abide by international law to be honest.

By all means you can advocate the pissing away of the GFA but you'll be in a very small minority

I'm not going to pretend that I'm totally on board with this latest development. It all seems shocking and sudden, numerous questions about communication and the squandering of time up to this.

But, if you look at it coldly, cases are increasing and show no signs of slowing down.

What we're currently doing is not stopping the spread of the virus, this can't be denied. If we continue on this present course we're looking at 1300-1400 cases per day by the end of this month and about 400 people in hospital. Which is roughly speaking where we were when lockdown was first imposed. If we don't do anything then things will only get worse - anyone who disputes this isfor the birds. We could, in fact we probably will, have to enter level five when it gets to that stage. So by going to that stage when things are merely just bad, as opposed to waiting until things inevitably become worse is attempting to get ahead of things before it becomes too late. Waiting until then in the long run makes thing far more grim and drawn out.

I'm as taken aback as anyone, but, after thinking about it a bit, I think the end point if we continue on our present course is obvious, even if that's hard to accept for a lot of people. But waiting for that end point to arrive lessens the semblance of control you eventually have.

I think the discussion right now in Ireland is going to be had in one form or another by every country in Europe over the next few weeks.

Talk of level 5 was dropped like an anvil into everyone's life this evening, but think back over everything that's been coming out of press briefings for the last number of weeks. They know the score, they've been begging us to pay heed.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They may well be, still doesn't mean you chuck an international treaty into the firing line

Yes, absolutely, am agreeing with you here

Strumms wrote: »

Skipping a step but things seem to have escalated VERY quickly. It’s probably warranted.

I dunno, ignoring today's cases, as we don't know the swab data (to get an idea of the number of tests and positive cases etc...) did they suddenly realize that those being admitted tested positive months ago and there's a massive wall of admissions about to hit us?
Was there another massive backlog from Germany that has a massive spike in positivity etc.... it just seems like a massive escalation in such a short time.
Only last week they didn't recommend some counties go to stage 3. Now all of a sudden all have to go to stage 5?

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Can I ask everybody what they would do if the school their child attends had a covid diagnosis during the weekend. The covid case is not in my child’s year so he is expected to be present at school after the weekend. What would you do would you let your child back to school?

If their pod was not involved and nobody in it has shown symptoms I’d send them to school yes. If they were close contact they would be notified and sent for testing.

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Can I ask everybody what they would do if the school their child attends had a covid diagnosis during the weekend. The covid case is not in my child’s year so he is expected to be present at school after the weekend. What would you do would you let your child back to school?

Are you or anyone at home in the vulnerable groups? Anyone in regular contact with someone in the vulnerable groups with caring/work? If the answer is yes then I would keep the child home. If no then I think it's OK to go. Assess the risk to your family and people you have to be in contact with.

Way I see it, we lockdown now and we can maybe save Christmas, and this time round we need to coordinate with the North, boost our contact tracing capabilities, and go for a 0 covid island approach. Everyone coming into the country need to quarantine in a hotel for 2 weeks regardless, and if we do things right, we can be like New Zealand, Vietnam etc.

For me the Level 5 recommendation doesn't make much sense, and I'd be quite surprised if it actually happened. We got a "Living with Covid" plan in September, it's been less than a month since it was launched (hasn't it?).

I'd understand if we had been seeing something like "Level 2 -> things getting worse -> Level 3 -> things getting worse -> Level 4", but now there's 2 counties on Level 3ish, and 24 on Level 2. So jumping straight to Level 5 would be odd, and in my opinion it would also mean ditching of the plan.

I could be wrong, but I don't see Level 5 happening (right now, that is) - if it did, then it definitely would mean the Plan was a joke. It was called "medium term plan for 6-9 months", not "forget about the plan in 3 weeks".

Arghus wrote: »

I'm not going to pretend that I'm totally on board with this latest development. It all seems shocking and sudden, numerous questions about communication and the squandering of time up to this.

But, if you look at it coldly, cases are increasing and show no signs of slowing down.

What we're currently doing is not stopping the spread of the virus, this can't be denied. If we continue on this present course we're looking at 1300-1400 cases per day by the end of this month and about 400 people in hospital. Which is roughly speaking where we were when lockdown was first imposed. If we don't do anything then things will only get worse - anyone who disputes this isfor the birds. We could, in fact we probably will, have to enter level five when it gets to that stage. So by going to that stage when things are merely just bad, as opposed to waiting until things inevitably become worse is attempting to get ahead of things before it becomes too late. Waiting until then in the long run makes thing far more grim and drawn out.

I'm as taken aback as anyone, but, after thinking about it a bit, I think the end point if we continue on our present course is obvious, even if that's hard to accept for a lot of people. But waiting for that end point to arrive lessens the semblance of control you eventually have.

I think the discussion right now in Ireland is going to be had in one form or another by every country in Europe over the next few weeks.

Talk of level 5 was dropped like an anvil into everyone's life this evening, but think back over everything that's been coming out of press briefings for the last number of weeks. They know the score, they've been begging us to pay heed.

I am the same . Shocked , that they seem to be jumping so fast to level 5 .
But on the basis of those numbers I am thinking that they don't want to let it get to where we were last March , where hospitals had to stop everything else except emergencies and schools closed . Nobody wants that .
Guess we'll just have to wait to see what happens tomorrow.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If they weren't actually serious you'd laugh.

We should just rip up any legally binding agreements.....

Would play directly into Conservative and Unionist hands .

The current strategy is to keep people locked down until a vaccine arrives.

It's a terrible plan because it is based on a hypothetical.

If a vaccine fails to materialise by next June, what then?

We need to act on what we know now and plan accordingly now. People are going to get less and less compliant the more that they are told to hunker down while the country sinks for no solid exit in sight.

Oh the politicians will fight tooth and nail under pressure from lobbies to keep things "going". But the increasingly obvious fact is they aren't saving anything ANYWAY. It's for nowt.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Would play directly into Conservative and Unionist hands .

Yeah they'd be rubbing their hands while on ventilators the way things are going.