Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:01AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

This nutjob would be throwing on the GFA and Constitution on the bonfire with all the other books back in the '30's in Germany!

But sure they're just bits of "political paper"

Utter madness to be even contemplating breaches being suggested

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 02:01AM

Strumms wrote: »

If the government ever take the step of ignoring NPHET advice we are heading in a very dangerous direction. MM and Leo might seriously need to treble up on security.

They may have no choice on this occasion

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:02AM

Gradius wrote: »

It's an easy choice when it comes down to it.

Do something or do nothing. Easy.

It's like getting a spoilt brat to eat vegetables. They'll get hungry enough eventually that they'll eat anything.

Let's see how precious people are when this shytstorm is three times worse come next spring.

Absolutely ignorant but expect nothing more than that given your posts tonight

Gradius · 05-10-2020 02:02AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Id say its just to frighten the people into behaving themselves a bit better. There won't be a level 5 lockdown.

I think a lot of people are going to rebel against anything at this stage, and the powers that be only have themselves to blame for squandering 7 months of goodwill.

I think it's going to get a lot worse now with a spiral effect.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 02:02AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They may well be, still doesn't mean you chuck and international treaty into the firing line

If things became chronic up there, where do you think anyone and everyone is heading ? Anybody with a relation here, holiday home here, camper van up there, is coming here.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 02:03AM

Strumms wrote: »

I doubt you are wrong, but if emergency legislation can be passed...

If unconstitutional legislation can be passed....
Refusing entry to a citizen is akin to stripping them of their passport.
Flying home from America, my visa has expired, I land in Dublin, I'm refused entry. I'm sent back to america.... what the hell do you think happens? I'd end up in a cage indefinitely. I'd actually have to claim asylum.

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 02:04AM

I think it’s accurate to say any remaining support for NEPHET has now gone

Gradius · 05-10-2020 02:05AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Absolutely ignorant but expect nothing more than that given your posts tonight

Oh you'll be hungry boy, make no mistake. You'll take your medicine when you realise there are no other options. All it takes is time and this virus is more determined to survive than you are to avoid difficult decisions

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 02:06AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

I agree. However say some have good headstart and if proven working why would have EU regulator problem to approve them?
Because it is politics and money.
Say hypothetically all chinese, russian and western vaccines will work (sci-fi scenario). Do you think EU regulator will approve Chinese one which most likely come at a fraction of price? Not going to happen. Governments already pre-purchased millions of doses of something which does not exist yet and nobody even knows if it will work. Not to mention that EU regulator is still out of picture despite multiple purchase orders placed.

If Russia and China run trials in Europe, then the EU can approve them. They won't approve them based on results from China and Russia.
Governments have purchased millions of doses of something that does exist, they just don't know if it's effective.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 02:07AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

If unconstitutional legislation can be passed....
Refusing entry to a citizen is akin to stripping them of their passport.
Flying home from America, my visa has expired, I land in Dublin, I'm refused entry. I'm sent back to america.... what the hell do you think happens? I'd end up in a cage indefinitely. I'd actually have to claim asylum.

Hmmm .... We’d be getting into a legal debate here that perhaps neither of us have the benefit of being able to enlighten each other on..

But if you had a home somewhere else you not be going back to zilch.

Charles Babbage · 05-10-2020 02:07AM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s accurate to say any remaining support for NEPHET has now gone

No it is not accurate, the responsible majority of people see the problem, it is only a few noisy **** stirrers that have a problem.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:08AM

Gradius wrote: »

Oh you'll be hungry boy, make no mistake. You'll take your medicine when you realise there are no other options. All it takes is time and this virus is more determined to survive than you are to avoid difficult decisions

Ah good luck, I'm not the one that wants to piss away the GFA and break international law while talking absolute nonsense, your a great man for saying do this and do that while giving absolutely no means to doing anything apart from breaching international law.

I'm done after this post because your honestly not worth it.

Yeah, I'd never advocate for a breach of an international treaty

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 02:08AM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s accurate to say any remaining support for NEPHET has now gone

I'd wait and see what the official recommendations are and based on what data before I make a judgement.... but yeah it seems ****ed up. No stage 3/4, just to stage 5, that seems a total misstep.

Goldengirl · 05-10-2020 02:09AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Easy choice?? No its not because its international law and your utterly clueless as to how that works.

I'm done even discussing it with you at this stage. A child would have more concept of international law than you would.

"Bits of paper" is an international treaty which trumps any of your crack pot theory.

I actually can't believe that there's People advocating for a breach of international law

Insane .
That sounds like a recent suggestion of Boris Johnson's ...

Paddygreen · 05-10-2020 02:09AM

I knew Dr Tony wouldn’t let us down guys, he’s such a total ledge. That said, word on the street here in Dalkey is that they are softening us up for a level 4.5.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 02:10AM

Strumms wrote: »

Hmmm .... We’d be getting into a legal debate here that perhaps neither of us have the benefit of being able to enlighten each other on..

But if you had a home somewhere else you not be going back to zilch.

True, but if you only had an Irish passport (like many in Northern Ireland)
I'm not talking about dual citizenship here.

Strumms · 05-10-2020 02:10AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'd wait and see what the official recommendations are and based on what data before I make a judgement.... but yeah it seems ****ed up. No stage 3/4, just to stage 5, that seems a total misstep.

Skipping a step but things seem to have escalated VERY quickly. It’s probably warranted.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 02:11AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah good luck, I'm not the one that wants to piss away the GFA and break international law while talking absolute nonsense, your a great man for saying do this and do that while giving absolutely no means to doing anything apart from breaching international law.

I'm done after this post because your honestly not worth it.

Oh I'm worth it, like Maybelline says. Even L'Oreal.

When the arse is hanging out your trousers next spring, and the country's too, you'll be onboard for solutions.

Argue for no change, you'll get what you deserve.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:13AM

Gradius wrote: »

Oh I'm worth it, like Maybelline says.

When the arse is hanging out your trousers next spring, and the country's too, you'll be onboard for solutions.

Argue for no change, you'll get what you deserve.

Yeah no I'd still rather abide by international law to be honest.

By all means you can advocate the pissing away of the GFA but you'll be in a very small minority

Goldengirl · 05-10-2020 02:13AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

I agree. However say some have good headstart and if proven working why would have EU regulator problem to approve them?
Because it is politics and money.
Say hypothetically all chinese, russian and western vaccines will work (sci-fi scenario). Do you think EU regulator will approve Chinese one which most likely come at a fraction of price? Not going to happen. Governments already pre-purchased millions of doses of something which does not exist yet and nobody even knows if it will work. Not to mention that EU regulator is still out of picture despite multiple purchase orders placed.

Would rather wait for AZ or Moderna than the Russian or Chinese vaccine .
But if you want to go get a flight to Moscow or Beijing , we will all pitch in to pay for your ticket and you can let us know how you get on ...

Arghus · 05-10-2020 02:13AM

I'm not going to pretend that I'm totally on board with this latest development. It all seems shocking and sudden, numerous questions about communication and the squandering of time up to this.

But, if you look at it coldly, cases are increasing and show no signs of slowing down.

What we're currently doing is not stopping the spread of the virus, this can't be denied. If we continue on this present course we're looking at 1300-1400 cases per day by the end of this month and about 400 people in hospital. Which is roughly speaking where we were when lockdown was first imposed. If we don't do anything then things will only get worse - anyone who disputes this isfor the birds. We could, in fact we probably will, have to enter level five when it gets to that stage. So by going to that stage when things are merely just bad, as opposed to waiting until things inevitably become worse is attempting to get ahead of things before it becomes too late. Waiting until then in the long run makes thing far more grim and drawn out.

I'm as taken aback as anyone, but, after thinking about it a bit, I think the end point if we continue on our present course is obvious, even if that's hard to accept for a lot of people. But waiting for that end point to arrive lessens the semblance of control you eventually have.

I think the discussion right now in Ireland is going to be had in one form or another by every country in Europe over the next few weeks.

Talk of level 5 was dropped like an anvil into everyone's life this evening, but think back over everything that's been coming out of press briefings for the last number of weeks. They know the score, they've been begging us to pay heed.

Immortal Starlight · 05-10-2020 02:13AM

Can I ask everybody what they would do if the school their child attends had a covid diagnosis during the weekend. The covid case is not in my child’s year so he is expected to be present at school after the weekend. What would you do would you let your child back to school?

Goldengirl · 05-10-2020 02:14AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They may well be, still doesn't mean you chuck an international treaty into the firing line

Yes, absolutely, am agreeing with you here

Gradius · 05-10-2020 02:15AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah no I'd still rather abide by international law to be honest.

By all means you can advocate the pissing away of the GFA but you'll be in a very small minority

Yeah sure there's a bit of nutrition in paper and your children will love it for dinner when the country's broke down.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 02:15AM

Strumms wrote: »

Skipping a step but things seem to have escalated VERY quickly. It’s probably warranted.

I dunno, ignoring today's cases, as we don't know the swab data (to get an idea of the number of tests and positive cases etc...) did they suddenly realize that those being admitted tested positive months ago and there's a massive wall of admissions about to hit us?
Was there another massive backlog from Germany that has a massive spike in positivity etc.... it just seems like a massive escalation in such a short time.
Only last week they didn't recommend some counties go to stage 3. Now all of a sudden all have to go to stage 5?

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:16AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Insane .
That sounds like a recent suggestion of Boris Johnson's ...

If they weren't actually serious you'd laugh.

We should just rip up any legally binding agreements.....

Doctors room ghost · 05-10-2020 02:16AM

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Can I ask everybody what they would do if the school their child attends had a covid diagnosis during the weekend. The covid case is not in my child’s year so he is expected to be present at school after the weekend. What would you do would you let your child back to school?

If their pod was not involved and nobody in it has shown symptoms I’d send them to school yes. If they were close contact they would be notified and sent for testing.

Goldengirl · 05-10-2020 02:17AM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think it’s accurate to say any remaining support for NEPHET has now gone

I think you are wrong there

See how that works ?

Sardonicat · 05-10-2020 02:18AM

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Can I ask everybody what they would do if the school their child attends had a covid diagnosis during the weekend. The covid case is not in my child’s year so he is expected to be present at school after the weekend. What would you do would you let your child back to school?

Are you or anyone at home in the vulnerable groups? Anyone in regular contact with someone in the vulnerable groups with caring/work? If the answer is yes then I would keep the child home. If no then I think it's OK to go. Assess the risk to your family and people you have to be in contact with.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 02:18AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes, absolutely, am agreeing with you here

Oh yeah I know, referencing the crackpot theories being thrown around by some.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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