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Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

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  • #4892
    SuperTeeJay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭SuperTeeJay


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    Do you inseminate 12 hours after standing heat as per non sexed?
    Yes if on in the morning ai in evening.about 10/12 hours.


  • #4893
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Has anyone got any older calves by the Bova bull Loyal (LM 4184)?
    Do they stay a bit on the small side?


  • #4894
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Has anyone got any older calves by the Bova bull Loyal (LM 4184)?
    Do they stay a bit on the small side?

    Bull we sold in April was by him, only grew when he was over 10 months &was thriving when we sold him. Mother was tall though.
    Have another this year off a heifer and seems bigger.


  • #4895
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    Bull we sold in April was by him, only grew when he was over 10 months &was thriving when we sold him. Mother was tall though.
    Have another this year off a heifer and seems bigger.

    Would you like him as a bull? I'm thinking of getting some straws, if my AI guy allows me.


  • #4896
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Would you like him as a bull? I'm thinking of getting some straws, if my AI guy allows me.

    I'd only put him on heifers tbh, there's much better bulls for cows out there imo.
    He gives great calves that pop out easily off a heifer, better than ZAG anyway!


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  • #4897
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lady Haywire wrote: »
    I'd only put him on heifers tbh, there's much better bulls for cows out there imo.
    He gives great calves that pop out easily off a heifer, better than ZAG anyway!

    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.


  • #4898
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    I've only had two bulls off him so someone else prob has more usage off him which can say better. Here's the heifer with calf when she calved, a framey type. Dunno what he'd be like off smaller heifers.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113351298&postcount=5929

    Actually while I'm at it, here's the first Loyal fella too. ERE dam.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113285068&postcount=5903


  • #4899
    charolais0153
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    Well he's not a tall bull then, the cows off him would have zero scope in my opinion


  • #4900
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Ya, it was heifers I wanted him for. It's just with the pedigrees, I don't want to end up with small cows from him.

    Sure if the heifers have any bit of height to them he should throw good calves.
    He’s easy calved, looks decent for milk at the minute anyway and has a very good pedigree.
    He’d be a safe option on heifers, no point destroying a nice heifer with a hard calving bull imo.
    What alternatives are out there
    LM 2014 is easy calved and suitable for heifers, should have a bit of size and nice shape to them but milk mightn’t be great, time will tell.
    Knell should bring size and seems to throwing nice stock but a bit harder calving, should be milk there.


  • #4901
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Patsy, here's this year's Loyal bull. He likes the ladies already :D
    He's young & he'll never be a superstar but he's a nice little fella off a heifer.

    4YMPS1vh.jpg


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  • #4902
    Baalbec10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭Baalbec10


    Has anyone ever flushed a commercial cow for embryo transfer, just an idea, cost will probaly be through the roof but we have a cow who is head and shoulders above the rest. For the last 3 years she has gotten her calves to 1.7kg p/d at 200 days. Weighing in at 640 kg herself. Just a thought so please be kind.


  • #4903
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    Baalbec10 wrote: »
    Has anyone ever flushed a commercial cow for embryo transfer, just an idea, cost will probaly be through the roof but we have a cow who is head and shoulders above the rest. For the last 3 years she has gotten her calves to 1.7kg p/d at 200 days. Weighing in at 640 kg herself. Just a thought so please be kind.

    It’s the same cost whether a PB or commercial
    You’re looking about €750 + AI and depending on success you could get anything from 6-16 embryos

    There’s lots of places advertising the service, best give them a call


  • #4904
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭GiantPencil


    Supposedly there is concerns over the legitimacy of a CH bull brought in by their society? Anybody have info on this?

    http://charolais.ie/2020/10/06/official-statement-regarding-military/


  • #4905
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    GiantPencil wrote: »
    Supposedly there is concerns over the legitimacy of a CH bull brought in by their society? Anybody have info on this?

    http://charolais.ie/2020/10/06/official-statement-regarding-military/
    Have you not heard?


  • #4906
    GiantPencil
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭GiantPencil


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have you not heard?

    Only saw it cause it was shared by the Charolais society on Facebook. Looked him up on ICBF and he only has 1 generation of parentage which is strange. Is it another Ballinloan Jagerbomb situation or is it more like where did this bull come out of at all with so little known about him?


  • #4907
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Have you not heard?

    What is this about?


  • #4908
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    What is this about?

    Only messing....... I've no idea.
    Could be clever marketing? ;)


  • #4909
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,643 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    Anyone hear good at reading the Stars and ratings? Could PM the ear tag number.

    Have a lovely heifer that I would like to put in calf. She is from ZAG who is gives not very milky daughters which is why I am reluctant. Hoping there might be enough milk coming down the mothers side.

    She is a lovely long square LMx heifer. 14 months and already 450 kg I would say.


  • #4910
    bogman_bass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    893bet wrote: »
    Anyone hear good at reading the Stars and ratings? Could PM the ear tag number.

    Have a lovely heifer that I would like to put in calf. She is from ZAG who is gives not very milky daughters which is why I am reluctant. Hoping there might be enough milk coming down the mothers side.

    She is a lovely long square LMx heifer. 14 months and already 450 kg I would say.

    Send it on there and i’ll Have a gander


  • #4911
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    I've two young ZAG cows with similar figures to your heifer. They are medium sized, fairly well muscled docile cows but they do lack a bit of milk and you'd know it in their calves. Both of them have good fertility and have gone in calf easily so far anyway. I think ZAG cows would cross well with Simmental bulls.
    If you like the heifer i'd keep her on.


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  • #4912
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    I see the new PG beef catalogue is out, a few new CH and Lim bulls.

    Lapon CH4321 looks decent, anyone tried him?


  • #4913
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    I see the new PG beef catalogue is out, a few new CH and Lim bulls.

    Lapon CH4321 looks decent, anyone tried him?

    Where did you see that?


  • #4914
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    There's a link to it on Agriland beef section.


  • #4915
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    There's a link to it on Agriland beef section.

    Thanks. Here it is;
    https://cdn.agriland.ie/uploads/2020/10/PG-Beef-2021-web-3.pdf

    Gas how Agriland have it up before their own website does?


  • #4916
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Two Excel (LM4027) calves. Bull on left, heifer on right.


  • #4917
    Mac Taylor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,747 ✭✭✭Mac Taylor


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Two Excel (LM4027) calves. Bull on left, heifer on right.

    Too nice calves there....


  • #4918
    tanko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,657 ✭✭✭tanko


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Two Excel (LM4027) calves. Bull on left, heifer on right.

    Nice calves, will you use Excel again, what's he like for calving?


  • #4919
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    tanko wrote: »
    Nice calves, will you use Excel again, what's he like for calving?

    I'll deffo use him again. Both their mothers were AI'd to him again. They are on the small side, so used him to add size and muscle.
    Calving wise, I wouldn't use him on heifers and cows would want to be good calvers, but I wouldn't consider him a hard calver. Definitely worth trying.


  • #4920
    893bet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,643 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    tanko wrote: »
    I've two young ZAG cows with similar figures to your heifer. They are medium sized, fairly well muscled docile cows but they do lack a bit of milk and you'd know it in their calves. Both of them have good fertility and have gone in calf easily so far anyway. I think ZAG cows would cross well with Simmental bulls.
    If you like the heifer i'd keep her on.

    Below is the heifer I had asked to be looked at.

    Zag heifer. 13 months old now. Weighted 405 on the 20 July

    Some pictures below which don’t do her justice. Numbers on her for milk are average enough but going to chance her in December.

    479-D9-CFA-CC7-F-4413-A06-C-3-A4-F130-AD57-A.jpg

    7-EA60-F68-47-D9-4-C2-E-9-BC5-1-D584-C7-DB142.jpg

    DF13-A7-D8-63-CA-4-F55-B493-C7-C381834287.jpg


    Have a second ZAG also. 12 months old. Weighted 350 in July and throve a lot since. Better numbers milk wise. She is only 12.5% ch! Will put her in calf also.

    295-C3-FB6-156-B-4-FE5-BFA3-6-C43513-E32-CE.jpg

    86695-E01-E523-4096-8312-A9-ADD2-BA05-CB.jpg

    B0-DC48-BA-946-F-4-C1-D-B1-D6-4996-F7031647.jpg



    (Field is gone a tad soft....).


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  • #4921
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    893bet wrote: »



    (Field is gone a tad soft....).

    Every field is soft!

    If I had to choose between the two I'd take the Lim, I'm a sucker for a nice deep set tail. :D


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