Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Assetbacked · 29-09-2020 04:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Alright will do. Let's hope it never happens, and you don't come down with something that requires a routine operation like appendicitis at the same time.

This is just stupid, what sort of response is that? You do know people die and get sick all the time?

polesheep · 29-09-2020 04:07PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

You may have no issues getting it, but you may have issues when you do get it, you just don't know how it will effect you. I know of two people who got it, both are middle forties, one had only mild symptoms will the other just survived after been in ICU for 5 weeks. both were fit men with no underlying conditions. Unfortunately you even may not even be a survivor.

If anecdotes are to be believed our ICUs are peppered with fit young men.

Assetbacked · 29-09-2020 04:09PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

You may have no issues getting it, but you may have issues when you do get it, you just don't know how it will effect you. I know of two people who got it, both are middle forties, one had only mild symptoms will the other just survived after been in ICU for 5 weeks. both were fit men with no underlying conditions. Unfortunately you even may not even be a survivor.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_20200928%20-%20Website.pdf

Your friend admitted to ICU was one of 139 in total in that age group admitted to ICU. There have been 11,813 total confirmed cases in the 35-54 age group (obviously the actual total is likely to be much higher), meaning, at an extremely conservative estimate, your friend was in the 1.17% of that age group who needed to go to ICU.

Now that isn't to take away from his suffering but it is to dismiss your suggestion outright that "you just don't know how it will effect you", you can make a pretty informed estimate as to how you might be impacted.

Clonmel1000 · 29-09-2020 04:17PM

June: Cases (487), Average 16.23 Cases Per Day - Deaths (87) - Death to Case % (17.86%)
July: Cases (563), Average 18.16 Cases Per Day - Deaths (38) - Death to Case % (6.75%)
August: Cases (2695), Average 86.93 Cases Per Day - Deaths (14) - Death to Case % (0.52%)
September (to date): Cases (6566), Average 234.5 Cases Per Day - Deaths (25) - Death to Case % (0.38%)

weldoninhio · 29-09-2020 04:20PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

You may have no issues getting it, but you may have issues when you do get it, you just don't know how it will effect you. I know of two people who got it, both are middle forties, one had only mild symptoms will the other just survived after been in ICU for 5 weeks. both were fit men with no underlying conditions. Unfortunately you even may not even be a survivor.

In fairness the odds are massively in your favour to survive if you are under 65 and don’t have a chronic illness.

dubdaymo · 29-09-2020 04:22PM

The media have been frantically searching around to find and interview people who, sadly, had a bad time and slow recovery from Covid and that's fair enough. However, I haven't seen an interview of even one of the many, many thousands who either never even noticed that they had it or saw it through with a bit of a sore throat or a runny nose.

The difference in terms of numbers must be phenomenal but don't expect NPHET to release those stats any time soon!

polesheep · 29-09-2020 04:25PM

dubdaymo wrote: »

The media have been frantically searching around to find and interview people who, sadly, had a bad time and slow recovery from Covid and that's fair enough. However, I haven't seen an interview of even one of the many, many thousands who either never even noticed that they had it or saw it through with a bit of a sore throat or a runny nose.

The difference in terms of numbers must be phenomenal but don't expect NPHET to release those stats any time soon!

It's not just in Ireland. I watched the BBC news last night. It was all about the huge rise in cases. It was cases, cases, cases and more cases. Right at the end of the report the newsreader more or less mumbled the number of deaths under his breath.

FintanMcluskey · 29-09-2020 04:27PM

polesheep wrote: »

If anecdotes are to be believed our ICUs are peppered with fit young men.

Im thinking we could host an ICU hurling championship.

The amount of fit young lads who ended up in there is nothing short of unbelievable

Plumbthedepths · 29-09-2020 04:32PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

You may have no issues getting it, but you may have issues when you do get it, you just don't know how it will effect you. I know of two people who got it, both are middle forties, one had only mild symptoms will the other just survived after been in ICU for 5 weeks. both were fit men with no underlying conditions. Unfortunately you even may not even be a survivor.

My 62 year old neighbour got it two weeks off work , four months on no issues. Incedently she is the only person I know that got it. I guess it's only fit young men that end up in ICU not being smart but that is certainly the impression I get.

Penfailed · 29-09-2020 04:38PM

dubdaymo wrote: »

The media have been frantically searching around to find and interview people who, sadly, had a bad time and slow recovery from Covid and that's fair enough. However, I haven't seen an interview of even one of the many, many thousands who either never even noticed that they had it or saw it through with a bit of a sore throat or a runny nose.

I'd be extremely surprised if the media interviewed someone with no/minor symptoms. It's a non-story.

Zebra3 · 29-09-2020 04:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'd be extremely surprised if the media interviewed someone with no/minor symptoms. It's a non-story.

Well then when they interview somebody with issues, they should inform the public of the data.

Balanced reporting.

polesheep · 29-09-2020 04:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

I'd be extremely surprised if the media interviewed someone with no/minor symptoms. It's a non-story.

Point out that the interviewee is one of 99% and we've been witnessing a cover up and it becomes the biggest story of the year.

Penfailed · 29-09-2020 04:48PM

polesheep wrote: »

Point out that the interviewee is one of 99% and we've been witnessing a cover up and it becomes the biggest story of the year.

It's not yet clear what the data is on people suffering from 'long Covid'.

polesheep · 29-09-2020 04:50PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's not yet clear what the data is on people suffering from 'long Covid'.

And it's not yet clear if the universe will stop expanding, therefore nobody claims that it will. There is no evidence for 'long covid'.

Bit cynical · 29-09-2020 04:54PM

There's a huge difference between the public perception of the mortality rate of the virus and the actual rate.

In the poor city of Manaus in Brazil the virus went through the population fairly quickly with an estimated 66% catching the virus. The rapidly falling infection rates are believed to be due to the widespread immunity in that region.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/22/1008709/brazil-manaus-covid-coronavirus-herd-immunity-pandemic/

The interesting thing here is that the overall death rate from catching the virus there is 0.28% or 0.18% of the overall population.

Contrast this with surveys in developed countries such as in the UK where people believe that 7% of the population have already died from the virus or the US where people believe 9% have died. These beliefs are out by a factor of 38 times and 48 times respectively.

Penfailed · 29-09-2020 04:55PM

polesheep wrote: »

And it's not yet clear if the universe will stop expanding, therefore nobody claims that it will. There is no evidence for 'long covid'.

...apart from all those stories that you are hearing about in the media?

polesheep · 29-09-2020 04:57PM

Penfailed wrote: »

...apart from all those stories that you are hearing about in the media?

I'll wait for the peer reviewed data, thanks.

29-09-2020 04:58PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

This is just stupid, what sort of response is that? You do know people die and get sick all the time?

Not sure what you're confused about that warranted such a snarky response.

If the hospitals are overrun, even more people will die of routine illnesses that would otherwise be easily avoided. Such as your appendix bursting.

Are you stupid/thick/curtain twitcher/granny killer etc.

Zebra3 · 29-09-2020 04:59PM

Penfailed wrote: »

...apart from all those stories that you are hearing about in the media?

The media told us that there were chemical weapons in Iraq.

Just parroted the line from those at the top.

whisky_galore · 29-09-2020 05:03PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

In fairness the odds are massively in your favour to survive if you are under 65 and don’t have a chronic illness.

If you had a bowl of 100 M&Ms but only one of those M&Ms contained poison, would you still eat some?

MadYaker · 29-09-2020 05:04PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

The media told us that there were chemical weapons in Iraq.

Just parroted the line from those at the top.

Is it your opinion that this "long covid" is something completely invented by the media?

Zebra3 wrote: »

Our hospitals are constantly overrun and few give a toss when people were dying on hospital trolleys, but now we all suddenly have to be concerned about it!!!!

Another lie. Close to capacity yes, but not overrun.

TRANQUILLO · 29-09-2020 05:05PM

Eamon Dunphy latest podcast :

Ep 882: Covid-19 - Unless We Abandon Our Defeatist Strategy We're Looking at 35,000 Deaths. Prof. Gerry Killeen
@killeen_gerry
talks to Eamon #Covid-19 #Coronavirus

Thats a disgrace of an episode title and premise. This podcast has completely shat the bed.

Im ostensibly a fan of dunphy and i have loved his arse hattery over the years.

But this standard of reportage is a disservice to us all.

Quantum Erasure · 29-09-2020 05:05PM

Bit cynical wrote: »

There's a huge difference between the public perception of the mortality rate of the virus and the actual rate.

In the poor city of Manaus in Brazil the virus went through the population fairly quickly with an estimated 66% catching the virus. The rapidly falling infection rates are believed to be due to the widespread immunity in that region.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/09/22/1008709/brazil-manaus-covid-coronavirus-herd-immunity-pandemic/

The interesting thing here is that the overall death rate from catching the virus there is 0.28% or 0.18% of the overall population.

Contrast this with surveys in developed countries such as in the UK where people believe that 7% of the population have already died from the virus or the US where people believe 9% have died. These beliefs are out by a factor of 38 times and 48 times respectively.

That's to do with perception of numbers / percentages rather than perception of the virus. As seen just a couple posts above, 'shure it's only 1% chance I'll end up in ICU, that's miniscule...'

Assetbacked · 29-09-2020 05:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not sure what you're confused about that warranted such a snarky response.

If the hospitals are overrun, even more people will die of routine illnesses that would otherwise be easily avoided. Such as your appendix bursting.

Are you stupid/thick/curtain twitcher/granny killer etc.

What basis does your post have in the covid reality? There is no indication covid will cause any of the above, therefore, why lockdown society and destroy the economy?

Zebra3 · 29-09-2020 05:09PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Is it your opinion that this "long covid" is something completely invented by the media?

Another lie. Close to capacity yes, but not overrun.

It's all about generating advertising revenue.

Covid hysteria brings in the bread.

What will happen to advertising revenue if they analysis everything properly and tell people that it's not that big a deal?

Why don't the media after a long covid story, give people the data? Why are they concealing it?

If the hospitals weren't being overrun, why were people dying on trolleys then? Or maybe you count a trolley in a corridor as capacity, is that it?

weldoninhio · 29-09-2020 05:10PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

If you had a bowl of 100 M&Ms but only one of those M&Ms contained poison, would you still eat some?

Would it be so poisonous that I wouldn’t notice if I ate it??

Assetbacked · 29-09-2020 05:11PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

If you had a bowl of 100 M&Ms but only one of those M&Ms contained poison, would you still eat some?

If you are below 45 it would be thousands of M&Ms with one containing poison. But, to humour your analogy, applying it to covid, you would be locked in your bedroom with no choice but to try one of the M&Ms in order to go outside. Similarly, you wouldn't have a choice in going to a pub unless you tried one of the thousands of M&Ms. The bowl of M&Ms would perpetually be in the thousands, ever-increasing however as the odds of ending up in ICU and dying are getting lower and lower every day.

Bit cynical · 29-09-2020 05:11PM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

That's to do with perception of numbers / percentages rather than perception of the virus.

I'm not sure there's a difference. Most of our perceptions of the virus are really perceptions of the numbers and percentages: how likely are we to catch it; how likely to die etc. These are the aspects that are important to us.

29-09-2020 05:15PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

What basis does your post have in the covid reality? There is no indication covid will cause any of the above, therefore, why lockdown society and destroy the economy?

MadYaker · 29-09-2020 05:16PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

It's all about generating advertising revenue.

Covid hysteria brings in the bread.

What will happen to advertising revenue if they analysis everything properly and tell people that it's not that big a deal?

Why don't the media after a long covid story, give people the data? Why are they concealing it?

If the hospitals weren't being overrun, why were people dying on trolleys then? Or maybe you count a trolley in a corridor as capacity, is that it?

I'm going to ignore the ad revenue nonsense.

What data are you looking for? Underlying conditions etc? That may be covered by patient confidentiality.

I've never heard of anyone dying on a trolley in hospital in this country, a quick google gives me nothing. My understanding is that most of the people on trolleys are in A&E and haven't actually been admitted to the hospitals in question. It's not the same as ICU and high dependency units filling up which never really happens under normal circumstances.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings