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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #7832
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Really so the pubs and restaurants in Dublin are currently booming? Thats news to me. Really goes against the narrative of the supposed economic ruin that is so prevalent in this thread.

    Can you point out where me or anyone for that matter said pubs were booming?

    The fact is the hospitality industry along with several other industries is on its knees, and what little money is being made is almost exclusively coming from the young! That little money may be the difference between a pub or restaurant riding this out a few more weeks or closing it’s doors for good!


  • #7833
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    P thats is disgusting.

    You know full well cancer screening was halted.

    I cant believe the attitude of blaming the victim

    I wouldn't reply to him. This is a guy who'd have the gardai freely come into your house and arrest you for having 4 mates over.


  • #7834
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    polesheep wrote: »
    From what you deem to be right, you mean. The tail has wagged the dog for long enough. As is always the case, it's young people that are bringing change and good luck to them.

    The only change they are brining is changing our virus numbers upwards, changing us from level 2 to level 3 and very likely changing the law to enable the guards to hit these idiots much much harder.

    Listening to local radio in Galway this morning its clear to hear but the presenter is also highlighting that in his decades on the radio he has never had such a reaction to anything before as to the student idiots last night, there is massive anger among the people, the phones are jammed and messages system inundated.

    Massive calls for the army to get out on the streets also and put manners on these total pigs who can't do what they are told and stay at home. NUIG have also said expulsions are planned for anyone caught breaching the regulations.

    These idiots should be at home in their home houses around the country not in Galway and definitely not out on the streets drinking or going to house parties.
    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Young people aren’t doing any economic damage. Our government is doing all the damage

    You and clueless, selfish idiots who do what you do including these students last night are directly to blame for jobs losses and restrictions. You are to blame you!!! The sooner that sinks in the sooner we might see an actual route to ending restrictions.
    polesheep wrote: »
    Those two sentences in bold are not compatible. As for Covid bringing you a higher quality of life, no offence, but I think you really need to do some deep thinking about where your life is at.

    It has been clearly stated by many that lockdown was a positive period of time for many people, myself included so there is no need for "deep thinking".


  • #7835
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    its not the Government's fault that this man got cancer. But the Governments message from DAY 1 in March was stay at home, don't go to the doctor, GP's were on air saying DON'T come to the surgery, ring us instead, don't turn up in A&E !! .

    That is not true, they were saying the exact opposite! They were begging people to go to their doctor or go to A&E if they needed. NEPHET were saying it many nights in their briefing that they were very concerned at how quiet A&E was and how people need to go and get checked if needed.

    This was further highlighted when Tony Holohan had to go to A&E himself and the next day really begged people to not be afraid to get checked and to go to doctors or hospital if needed.


  • #7836
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    P thats is disgusting.

    You know full well cancer screening was halted.

    I cant believe the attitude of blaming the victim

    Screening programmes for the "well", like bowel and breast check was halted. Healthcare for those that presented with symptoms was not stopped.

    I remember Tony Holohan saying that people should not postpone healthcare, that he was in A&E and it was unusually quiet. In fact he urged people who needed to see a doctor for non covid illness to see one.


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  • #7837
    seamusk84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 897 ✭✭✭seamusk84


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Can you point out where me or anyone for that matter said pubs were booming?

    The fact is the hospitality industry along with several other industries is on its knees, and what little money is being made is almost exclusively coming from the young! That little money may be the difference between a pub or restaurant riding this out a few more weeks or closing it’s doors for good!

    To be fair, out my way in North Kildare last Saturday night you couldn't get a booking into any of the local pubs or restaurants from about 2pm onward. They were all booked up for the evening.

    Good to see I guess......I'm just worried what this will mean for cases in Kildare in 2/3 weeks.


  • #7838
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    UK scientists forecast up to 35,000 excess cancer deaths within a year due to the pause in cancer treatment. It’s an insane number but COVID deaths are all that matter these days


  • #7839
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    UK scientists forecast up to 35,000 excess cancer deaths within a year due to the pause in cancer treatment. It’s an insane number but COVID deaths are all that matter these days

    It's a real tragedy, heartbreaking. What do you propose those in charge do?


  • #7840
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I really should stop listening to the radio in the morning.

    - next 2 weeks are critical
    - more counties being threatened with lockdown
    - rolling restrictions for at least the next 6 months (with notifications from the Indo and IT to reinforce it)
    - selective statistics from hospitals
    - another interview with the small number of people who suffer after effects of infection
    - businesses under threat

    .. And that's only in an hour! It's no wonder many are terrified of this virus. You'd think it was a flesh eating bacteria from all this, not the non-issue it is for 95% of the population.


    You absolutely should take a break from the news. You're gonna develop an underlying condition.


  • #7841
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    The only change they are brining is changing our virus numbers upwards, changing us from level 2 to level 3 and very likely changing the law to enable the guards to hit these idiots much much harder.

    Listening to local radio in Galway this morning its clear to hear but the presenter is also highlighting that in his decades on the radio he has never had such a reaction to anything before as to the student idiots last night, there is massive anger among the people, the phones are jammed and messages system inundated.

    Massive calls for the army to get out on the streets also and put manners on these total pigs who can't do what they are told and stay at home. NUIG have also said expulsions are planned for anyone caught breaching the regulations.

    These idiots should be at home in their home houses around the country not in Galway and definitely not out on the streets drinking or going to house parties.



    You and clueless, selfish idiots who do what you do including these students last night are directly to blame for jobs losses and restrictions. You are to blame you!!! The sooner that sinks in the sooner we might see an actual route to ending restrictions.



    It has been clearly stated by many that lockdown was a positive period of time for many people, myself included so there is no need for "deep thinking".

    On the contrary, you would have to be a damaged person to have seen lockdown as a positive time.


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  • #7842
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Screening programmes for the "well", like bowel and breast check was halted. Healthcare for those that presented with symptoms was not stopped.

    I remember Tony Holohan saying that people should not postpone healthcare, that he was in A&E and it was unusually quiet. In fact he urged people who needed to see a doctor for non covid illness to see one.

    He should have passed that message on to the doctors who weren't seeing patients. And screening is aimed at discovering those who are NOT well although they might believe they are. You obviously don't understand screening.


  • #7843
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    I was just coming here to post about that disgraceful behaviour and say how it clearly shows level 3 or more is needed to curb these idiotic gatherings.

    Every single person in the group is a moron, brain dead fools. Should all be expelled from their university. Not even an ounce of respect for the fact we are in the middle of a pandemic, can’t believe I’ve come in here to find someone defending it people really have lost the plot.

    About 10 different people have WhatsApp’d me that pic and commenting how is an absolute disgrace. We need to give the guards power to hit these financially and the universities need to kick them out.m

    The anti restriction posters really are blind and deaf to the situation we are in, pure selfish and don’t give a damn really that we simply should not be mixing with other people at all or they simply don’t understand how serious this virus is.
    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    The only change they are brining is changing our virus numbers upwards, changing us from level 2 to level 3 and very likely changing the law to enable the guards to hit these idiots much much harder.

    Listening to local radio in Galway this morning its clear to hear but the presenter is also highlighting that in his decades on the radio he has never had such a reaction to anything before as to the student idiots last night, there is massive anger among the people, the phones are jammed and messages system inundated.

    Massive calls for the army to get out on the streets also and put manners on these total pigs who can't do what they are told and stay at home. NUIG have also said expulsions are planned for anyone caught breaching the regulations.

    These idiots should be at home in their home houses around the country not in Galway and definitely not out on the streets drinking or going to house parties.



    You and clueless, selfish idiots who do what you do including these students last night are directly to blame for jobs losses and restrictions. You are to blame you!!! The sooner that sinks in the sooner we might see an actual route to ending restrictions.



    It has been clearly stated by many that lockdown was a positive period of time for many people, myself included so there is no need for "deep thinking".
    Wow. You are one of the most self righteous sanctimonious posters I’ve ever seen on Boards. Tripping over yourself in a frenzy to show how caring of other people you are. You couldn’t care less about anyone or anything but yourself.


  • #7844
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Wow. You are one of the most self righteous sanctimonious posters I’ve ever seen on Boards. Tripping over yourself in a frenzy to show how caring of other people you are. You couldn’t care less about anyone or anything but yourself.

    Personally I think they're Trolling


  • #7845
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    From the Indo..



    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rolling-lockdowns-a-way-of-life-for-up-to-nine-months-as-more-counties-suffer-rise-in-covid-19-cases-39571393.html


    There you have it folks. Our unelected, out-of-his-depth, medical overlord has no interest in getting the country back to normal, and is so suffering from tunnel vision that he can't see any alternative to the current hugely damaging "strategy", pinning all his efforts on a vaccine that may not arrive for years if at all.

    And this is the guy advising a weak fractured Government that is so poor it has Eamon Ryan as a minister :rolleyes: so no leadership or real pushback expected there!

    How long before we start seeing Irish Water-style mass protests I wonder, because I think what we've seen already will only increase as the financial, social and mental health impacts get worse over the next few months


    And just what the heck has whether Glynn is elected or not got to do with anything ? I mean seriously, wtf.
    Who are posters on here to say he's out of his depth, just because they don't like what's going on ?
    Anyone with even half a brain knows we can't go back to normal anytime soon, the fact that he has to point this out says more about some people than him IMO.
    I really do think we're showing that we're a collection of selfish individuals at heart rather than a society.

    Edit, mind you I do agree about Ryan as minister :)


  • #7846
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It's a real tragedy, heartbreaking. What do you propose those in charge do?

    Address Covid differently.


  • #7847
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    polesheep wrote: »
    He should have passed that message on to the doctors who weren't seeing patients. And screening is aimed at discovering those who are NOT well although they might believe they are. You obviously don't understand screening.
    My wife suffered from a serious illness (not covid) in April. She was seen to by her GP over the phone initially, then a physical consultation, then a hospital appointment. I wasn't allowed to attend with her though.

    But to say healthcare wasn't available is not correct. It was available and back open by early April (I don't think it ever stopped).

    Screening is for the "well" in that those that are screened would generally consider themselves not suffering from x disease and not presenting symptoms. This differs from testing for those that are suffering symptoms.

    To my knowledge, only screening programmes were halted.


  • #7848
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    polesheep wrote: »
    Address Covid differently.

    Go on, outline your policy. I'm all ears.

    I'm sure the HSE would like your expertise too, so don't keep all these great ideas to yourself.


  • #7849
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I see signs on here that we will soon be moving into the revisionist stage where people try to rewrite history.

    Its a good thing really, it means we have reached the point where even the most blinkered can no longer deny the reality that Covid isn't the global killer it was made out to be. So now they need to revise history to try and justify the hysteria of the past 9 months.


  • #7850
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    average_runner wrote: »
    Is it zero deaths because we blocked off the elderly from the real world?
    Is it zero deaths because I can't take a parent out of a nursing home to see her grand children?

    Is the zero deaths because elderly can't mind their grand children after school when they want to?

    Do we just continue to imprison the vulnerable people and not help them at all?

    My son is no longer going to grandparents after school and he is missing it terribly. But, it’s a necessary evil to reduce the visits from full afternoon’s to popping into see them.

    In order to protect the elderly either A every single person must live under tight restrictions or B the vulnerable must protect themselves by limiting their interactions outside their home and reducing their visitors. We are only 6 months into this and it’s a minimum of another 6 months of restrictions ahead of us. The longer it goes on the less adherence there will be to the restrictions therefore the vulnerable must take extra precautions over and above the rest of the population.

    In our family the grandparents are delighted the children are back at school and their hobbies. They miss the regular company of grandchildren dearly but feel that it’s up to them to be careful. We are very careful when we visit and don’t stay too long.

    What is the alternative for older people? No matter what they have to cut contact with others to protect themselves.


  • #7851
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    polesheep wrote: »
    On the contrary, you would have to be a damaged person to have seen lockdown as a positive time.

    Looking at this person's post history this is already after happening.


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  • #7852
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ShyMets wrote: »
    Personally I think they're Trolling

    No matter the topic that poster always takes the most extreme contarian position. Anyone suggesting it's ok to drink alcohol while driving is a WUM imo.


  • #7853
    boggerman1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭boggerman1


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You absolutely should take a break from the news. You're gonna develop an underlying condition.

    Take a break from it.2weeks should do as recommended by nphet.


  • #7854
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    polesheep wrote: »
    Address Covid differently.

    Agreed. What they need to do now is rip up that abomination of a “living with covid” 5 step plan.

    They need to start again and this time create a LIVING WITH COVID PLAN.

    Stop these juvenile knee jerk actions like laughably closing pubs (a controlled environment which closure ipso facto leads to uncontrolled house parties and kills the industry and jobs related)

    Open up stadiums to 20-30% capacity and get our sports / culture / zest back to standard.

    Create safe and practical solutions to the arts/music industry by limiting crowds and having safe people volumes attend.

    Get that 15 minute test (the one being piloted in Roscommon) operational ASAP . Get millions of kits sourced and delivered and testing with NO excuses.

    Fix our travel industry yesterday.
    Have a fair system in place that allows travellers leave (weather essential or otherwise) and return and ensure the solution is non discriminatory to all citizens weather in private or public employment.

    It’s this or we continue this headless chicken dance for years along with constant protests , constant blame culture , ruined industries left right and center , massive unemployment, huge mental health damage , further delayed health screenings and a depressed society.


  • #7855
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    My wife suffered from a serious illness (not covid) in April. She was seen to by her GP over the phone initially, then a physical consultation, then a hospital appointment. I wasn't allowed to attend with her though.

    But to say healthcare wasn't available is not correct. It was available and back open by early April (I don't think it ever stopped).

    Screening is for the "well" in that those that are screened would generally consider themselves not suffering from x disease and not presenting symptoms. This differs from testing for those that are suffering symptoms.

    To my knowledge, only screening programmes were halted.

    You still don't seem to understand the purpose of screening. Although not presenting symptoms, some of the 'well' as you describe them could be developing a potentially terminal illness that might be averted through screening. It's great that your wife got to see a doctor and received treatment, others did not.


  • #7856
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Go on, outline your policy. I'm all ears.

    I'm sure the HSE would like your expertise too, so don't keep all these great ideas to yourself.

    I could make suggestions but you would reject them... rightly or wrongly. But the question is, why do you look to me for suggestions? Don't you think that those in authority should be questioning whether they are using the correct strategy? Shouldn't they be trying to see if there is a better way? Why won't they listen to alternative medical/scientific opinion?


  • #7857
    paw patrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    haven't posted in a while as I was just rehashing my arguments continually and others did a good job of debating the numbers.

    But today I am concerned that with all the Phd's, professorships and super brains in NPHET that after 7 months of "lockdown" and no real success the best they can come up with is "rolling lockdown" i.e more of the same failed policies.

    For a panel of (allegedly) better brains that the proles of boards that's a shocking indictment.
    Odd the people from the slow paced world of academia aren't cut out for the cut and thrust of major real-time decisions. Who'd have thought it?

    It's almost like the years spend in the ivory towers sucked up to and worshiped by more junior Phds and wannabe PhD students where their word is law and their mistakes are unaccountable for, makes them unsuitable to rule.

    Sadly what was confined to the halls of Trinity College is being forced on us all.


    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rolling-lockdowns-a-way-of-life-for-up-to-nine-months-as-more-counties-suffer-rise-in-covid-19-cases-39571393.html


    Dr Glynn said: "If you are asking, do we go back to normal after this, no we won't. We will have to continue to suppress this. "I don't believe there is an alternative strategy as things stand. Things can change. There is unbelievable work going on in terms of treatments, vaccines and different types of tests. But we are not quite there yet.
    "I hope news of that will evolve between now and Christmas but ­ultimately I think we are looking at a six- to nine-month timeframe here."


  • #7858
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,077 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    paw patrol wrote: »
    haven't posted in a while as I was just rehashing my arguments continually and others did a good job of debating the numbers.

    But today I am concerned that with all the Phd's, professorships and super brains in NPHET that after 7 months of "lockdown" and no real success the best they can come up with is "rolling lockdown" i.e more of the same failed policies.

    For a panel of (allegedly) better brains that the proles of boards that's a shocking indictment.
    Odd the people from the slow paced world of academia aren't cut out for the cut and thrust of major real-time decisions. Who'd have thought it?

    It's almost like the years spend in the ivory towers sucked up to and worshiped by more junior Phds and wannabe PhD students where their word is law and their mistakes are unaccountable for, makes them unsuitable to rule.

    Sadly what was confined to the halls of Trinity College is being forced on us all.


    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rolling-lockdowns-a-way-of-life-for-up-to-nine-months-as-more-counties-suffer-rise-in-covid-19-cases-39571393.html

    Go on then enlighten the rest of us with your plan.

    Because for all the whinging, cribbing and moaning from you and your fellow flag carriers, I have yet to see even the broadest outline of a plan from you or your ilk that addresses how to effectively suppress the virus, or control the damage it will cause.

    In fact, all I've seen is denial.


  • #7859
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paw patrol wrote: »
    haven't posted in a while as I was just rehashing my arguments continually and others did a good job of debating the numbers.

    But today I am concerned that with all the Phd's, professorships and super brains in NPHET that after 7 months of "lockdown" and no real success the best they can come up with is "rolling lockdown" i.e more of the same failed policies.

    For a panel of (allegedly) better brains that the proles of boards that's a shocking indictment.
    Odd the people from the slow paced world of academia aren't cut out for the cut and thrust of major real-time decisions. Who'd have thought it?

    It's almost like the years spend in the ivory towers sucked up to and worshiped by more junior Phds and wannabe PhD students where their word is law and their mistakes are unaccountable for, makes them unsuitable to rule.

    Sadly what was confined to the halls of Trinity College is being forced on us all.


    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/rolling-lockdowns-a-way-of-life-for-up-to-nine-months-as-more-counties-suffer-rise-in-covid-19-cases-39571393.html

    When the anti-restrictions crew have been reduced to this sort of nonsense its pretty clear they haven't a clue. What a backward, clueless view of those in academia or with Phds etc.


  • #7860
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,241 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »
    When the anti-restrictions crew have been reduced to this sort of nonsense its pretty clear they haven't a clue. What a backward, clueless view of those in academia or with Phds etc.

    You claim to have a PhD nox, and your suggestion is forced vaccinations and the army shooting students...... Those letters aren't as powerful as you think......


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  • #7861
    uli84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭uli84


    I have to say that the definition of “living” by those creating those plans is rather odd. It should be called “dying with Covid” or at best “vegetating with Covid”


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