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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #8552
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,019 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.
    It's even detailed heavily in Line Of Duty.
    The modus operandi of the OCG is to find an officer who is in financial difficulty and then use that debt to leverage the officer in to being compromised


  • #8553
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

    Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.

    Don't be russian to conclusions and putin that on The Donald.


  • #8554
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Trying to spin this as him being too clever to pay tax is a bit of a reach too. He's broke, what tax could he pay? The homeless lad with a coffee cup outside Tesco is every bit as canny a financial genius.

    Again btw, he doesn't just owe 400k, that's what's due soon. He owes closer to 1.1 billion, with a b. He is a reverse billionaire sponging. He is completely beholden to other parties, he is effectively somebody else's asset rather than an individual as such.

    He’s so smart, he went broke to beat paying taxes.


  • #8555
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    nothing to do with a moral compass. do you think that somebody in that much debt is not compromised?

    Do you think any political candidate in the US isn’t? They are rely on donations.

    Get with the program.


  • #8556
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Do you think any political candidate in the US who relies On donations isn’t?

    Get with the program.

    once he continues to "own the libs" he can do now wrong, can he?


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  • #8557
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/


  • #8558
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    I appreciate your firm stance against financial impropriety by people like banks or Trump on moral grounds, but it's a separate issue.

    Nothing to do with morality, it's basic common sense. An IOU that big is as good as a Harvey Norman receipt, somebody in a 1.1 billion dollar hole is bought and paid for.

    Their behaviour may not even be in their own best interests, never mind yours. Nobody in a legally functioning company would want anything at all to do with somebody who poses this kind of risk, because sooner or later they always self combust.



    I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297


  • #8559
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    I suppose the donations the financial sector in the US make to presidental candidates is an inconvenience to your argument?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/11/bankers-back-biden-trump-393297

    we know who those people are. who does trump owe that 400M to? russia? china?


  • #8560
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    I have read on this forum that trump is an idiot, his supporters likewise.

    But if he wins, are the people still idiots ?
    What would that say about the atrocious candidate of biden ?


    There is something wrong when in the last 2 elections, the democrats could only have the detestable hilary, and the bumbling Biden,that says more about the democrats. Putting Biden forward was a huge mistake as he's seen as the status quo.

    A lot of the hard working people wont be impressed by the stance the democrats took with all this BLM and the protests, which could turn many people towards trump.

    Before any one thinks I am a trump supporter, I am not, I just think both candidates are abysmal for a country like USA

    I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

    All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.


  • #8561
    1800_Ladladlad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Very interesting. Cash-For-Ballots Voter Fraud Scheme Linked to Ilhan Omar Supporters

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1310383750040219649


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  • #8562
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    biko wrote: »
    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/
    1800_Ladladlad wrote: »
    Very interesting

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1310383750040219649

    I see todays talikng point to distract from trumps taxes has been released


  • #8563
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,615 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Trump fan girls desperately trying to divert attention away from trumps taxes.
    Not happening.

    His entire image is a sham.


  • #8564
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    once he continues to "own the libs" he can do now wrong, can he?

    Where did I say that?

    O wait I didn’t.


  • #8565
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭threeball


    jill_valentine wrote: »
    Anybody who has ever worked in finance/banking etc will be familiar with the idea of a PEP, a Politically Exposed Person.

    A PEP is a high profile public political figure, and you have to do a whole lot of extra homework on them to make sure they're not in huge debt before having dealings with them.

    This is because anybody who owes even a tiny fraction of the money this guy owes belongs to somebody else lock, stock and barrel. They're a huge liability, they're compromised.

    People in a fraction of the kind of debt he's in are forbidden from executive roles by most companies for this reason.

    This is a bigger issue than the fact he's a fraud. Trump isn't just a terrible businessman and a conman, he is an ENORMOUS security risk, he belongs to whoever is holding his IOUs.

    I think there's no doubt he's in Putins pocket. Hes also a huge admirer of Putin as he did whatever it took to gain power and become the richest person in the world by repute. Trump admires that he just eliminated anything that stood in his way in order to achieve that and wants the same for himself.


  • #8566
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    Where did I say that?

    O wait I didn’t.

    sure thing. weird that everything you post supports trump. but you are definitely not a trump supporter.


  • #8567
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    biko wrote: »
    A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

    One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis city council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

    https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/project-veritas-uncovers-ballot-harvesting-fraud-in-minnesota/
    "appears........Project Veritas......"

    Ah jesus come on now. Project Veritas are an absolute jokeshop


  • #8568
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭threeball


    relax carry on wrote: »
    You do realise that societies function because of tax to fund societal structures?? Trump being the leader of a society and paying virtually nothing in tax undermines the entire society he's supposed to be leader of.

    This is the absolute spoofer who insisted on American companies returning to the US and paying their fair share of tax.


  • #8569
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    we know who those people are. who does trump owe that 400M to? russia? china?

    He may well but that not the issue, financial impropriety doesn’t just exist on one side, it exists in the entire system.

    Let’s not be pretending that this is an election of opposites, it’s not good versus evil, it’s not right versus wrong as much as some will see it that way yourself included.

    It’s two terrible candidates that are being presented in a corrupt system for election by an electorate that is being divided more and more every day with no realisation of the issues that have in common.


  • #8570
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    He may well but that not the issue, financial impropriety doesn’t just exist on one side, it exists in the entire system.

    Let’s not be pretending that this is an election of opposites, it’s not good versus evil, it’s not right versus wrong as much as some will see it that way yourself included.

    It’s two terrible candidates that are being presented in a corrupt system for election by an electorate that is being divided more and more every day with no realisation of the issues that have in common.

    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.


  • #8571
    DraftDodger
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭DraftDodger


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.

    Any proof of that?


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  • #8572
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    no that is the issue. we have someone running for president and there is a strong possibility he is owned by a foreign power.

    That possibility exists solely in your head currently.


  • #8573
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Also not only that, his debts open him up to manipulation from more than just foreign powers which is a pretty deal when he's struggling to pay them back.


  • #8574
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    Any proof of that?

    who does he owe that 400M to?


  • #8575
    threeball
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭threeball


    DraftDodger wrote: »
    I don't think Trump has even many supporters in the US tbh. People still don't get it. Voting Trump is a kick in the balls to the liberals who have nothing to offer Americans but the same old tired rhetoric that has failed them for years. Trump's family probably don't even like him never mind Trump supporters.

    All this releasing of his tax affairs and the soldiers are losers comments and any other stuff will not change the course of the election.

    You don't even know what a liberal is. They're rarer than hens teeth in America. FYI Democrats aren't liberals, they are only slightly less backward than 90% of republicans.


  • #8576
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    That possibility exists solely in your head currently.

    so there is no possibility that he owes 400M to a foreign power? none, nada, zilch possibility of that?


  • #8577
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    sure thing. weird that everything you post supports trump. but you are definitely not a trump supporter.


    Are you unable to separate the person from his actions?
    I am.

    I don’t think everything he did is right.
    I don’t think everything he does is wrong.

    I decide item by item instead of having this childish mentality that if he did it it must be wrong.


  • #8578
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,875 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    so there is no possibility that he owes 400M to a foreign power? none, nada, zilch possibility of that?

    There is a possibility he owes 400m to the Borg.


    But I’m kinda interested in evidence.


  • #8579
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,058 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Imagine thinking that a newspaper of record like the NY Times would just make up a story because they're out to get him. This isn't the bloody Sun you're talking about. Trump supporters and their desperate conspiracy theories make me laugh.

    I mean, they've been caught lying (they had an article on how Bush wasnt going to vote for Trump and Bush's spokesman came out and denied that immediately) or omitting facts in story to paint a certain picture (Kavanaugh for example).

    I'm not a trump supporter either. I think the guy is an idiot.


  • #8580
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,963 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    There is a possibility he owes 400m to the Borg.


    But I’m kinda interested in evidence.

    you're really not.


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  • #8581
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,527 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Trump's image is a sham. One of the things jumping out of the Times article is the use of "consultancy fees" as an expense to reduce his taxable income. Some of these fees were actually being funnelled to Ivanka Trump. Now that's dodgy as hell. She's part of the Trump Organisation - they kept the money in the family but eliminated the tax liability on it by claiming it as an expense. That's closer to evasion than avoidance.

    .


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