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Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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    #4172
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Its bloody hard to get your country out of Empires. As it has been throughout History.

    Empires the Dogs that just Won’t Let Go.


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    #4173
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    Its bloody hard to get your country out of Empires. As it has been throughout History.

    Empires the Dogs that just Won’t Let Go.




    Must be terrible over in the UK at the minute.


    What with all the EU irregular and auxiliary troops in suppressing democracy and sacking towns and cities.


    And this going on even after the UK has already left the EU!!!


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    #4174
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Must be terrible over in the UK at the minute.


    What with all the EU irregular and auxiliary troops in suppressing democracy and sacking towns and cities.


    And this going on even after the UK has already left the EU!!!
    The Eu’s Fifth Columnists were bolshy there for awhile but even they Understood the Dead Parrot was Dead when it Squawked No More / Would Neither Swing nor Sing No More !

    The Parrot is Dead.:D:D


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    #4175
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    What


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    #4176
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    moritz1234 wrote: »
    The UK will not be enacting a law to alter the WA

    Barnier issued whats called a "30" in the business (Short message, 30 mins to reply)

    "if you disrespect the WA, we have no talks, talks over"




    Sure Macron can just do like he did when he phoned BoJo and ordered him to shut the pubs* and give him another call to tell him what to do.



    *This a few months after the UK had "taken back control" of their "sovereignty" :)


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    #4177
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Sure Macron can just do like he did when he phoned BoJo and ordered him to shut the pubs* and give him another call to tell him what to do.



    *This a few months after the UK had "taken back control" of their "sovereignty" :)

    Monsieur Macron won't be telling anyone to do anything, him and Frau Merkel are too busy shaking in their boots incase Russian premier Putin sends them to the naughty step over accusations of novichok poisoning.


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    #4178
    Donald Trump
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Monsieur Macron won't be telling anyone to do anything, him and Frau Merkel are too busy shaking in their boots incase Russian premier Putin sends them to the naughty step over accusations of novichok poisoning.


    The bould Theresa May wasn't too slow about rushing to Brussels for backup after the fellas went on a trip to Salisbury Cathedral now was she?


    I don't think that it has ever been seriously disputed that Macron told BoJo to shut the pubs and that is what prompted a sudden about turn on his part.


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    #4179
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Monsieur Macron won't be telling anyone to do anything, him and Frau Merkel are too busy shaking in their boots incase Russian premier Putin sends them to the naughty step over accusations of novichok poisoning.
    Putin has those two under the Thumb. Sure Merkel has the Germans relying on Russian Oil and Gas. It’ll be like Stalingrad all over again !


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    #4180
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    The bould Theresa May wasn't too slow about rushing to Brussels for backup after the fellas went on a trip to Salisbury Cathedral now was she?


    I don't think that it has ever been seriously disputed that Macron told BoJo to shut the pubs and that is what prompted a sudden about turn on his part.
    Did he send Napoleon Brandy / Plastic Brandy ? !


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    #4181
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    Did he send Napoleon Brandy / Plastic Brandy ? !


    No. Napoleon Dynamite.


    He got the idea after Theresa May ripped off his dance moves






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    #4182
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    No. Napoleon Dynamite.


    He got the idea after Theresa May ripped off his dance moves




    That would be in the Macron Camp Alright !

    Can you imagine how Weak Macron Brandy would be ? ?:eek:


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    #4183
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,170 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    blinding wrote: »
    That would be in the Macron Camp Alright !

    Can you imagine how Weak Macron Brandy would be ? ?:eek:




    I've no idea. But from the amount of sense that your last few posts are making, I'd have to hazard a guess that you've had a few bottles of it already today.


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    #4184
    Junkyard Tom
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    blinding wrote: »
    Putin has those two under the Thumb.

    No.
    Sure Merkel has the Germans relying on Russian Oil and Gas.

    Russia needs the cash just as much as Germany and France need Russian gas, probably more so. The US sees Eurasian interdependence as a threat to its subordination of Europe and designs on Russia which is why it's bitching and crying over Nord Stream 2.

    Europe needs to get its act together and reduce dependence on Washington for defence.


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    #4185
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    No.



    Russia needs the cash just as much as Germany and France need Russian gas, probably more so. The US sees Eurasian interdependence as a threat to its subordination of Europe and designs on Russia which is why it's bitching and crying over Nord Stream 2.

    Europe needs to get its act together and reduce dependence on Washington for defence.
    Wasn’t Merkel in the German Communist Party in her Youth ? That should get her an IN with Putin.

    Does Angela bother with the Inconvenience of being the Leader of a Political Party or has she Graduated to being the German Leader for Life. Ya could see how she would get along with Vladimir Putin Alright !


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    #4186
    ambro25
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    RobMc59 wrote: »
    Monsieur Macron won't be telling anyone to do anything, him and Frau Merkel are too busy shaking in their boots incase Russian premier Putin sends them to the naughty step over accusations of novichok poisoning.
    Funny that, I could have sworn the UK yanked out the cheque book within a second, every single time Macron whistled 'Sangatte'.

    But now with Brexit making the Dublin III regs redundant, plus a bit of hierarchical leaning on French customs & immigration to look the other way this summer and so prod Farage into some fresh agitating...I don't think the whistling is even required anymore.

    Hey, if Johnson can find and spaff £100bn on a moonshot of untested and unvalidated pseudo-tech-babbly-vaporware, I'm confident he's got a few more £-bn lying around for shiny new zodiacs, kangoos and other toys for ze Gendarmes, which Macron (still) doesn't need to bother French taxpayers for.

    It's great, this protection racket thing, innit?! Just ask Vlad ;)


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    ambro25 wrote: »
    Funny that, I could have sworn the UK yanked out the cheque book within a second, every single time Macron whistled 'Sangatte'.

    But now with Brexit making the Dublin III regs redundant, plus a bit of hierarchical leaning on French customs & immigration to look the other way this summer and so prod Farage into some fresh agitating...I don't think the whistling is even required anymore.

    Hey, if Johnson can find and spaff £100bn on a moonshot of untested and unvalidated pseudo-tech-babbly-vaporware, I'm confident he's got a few more £-bn lying around for shiny new zodiacs, kangoos and other toys for ze Gendarmes, which Macron (still) doesn't need to bother French taxpayers for.

    It's great, this protection racket thing, innit?! Just ask Vlad ;)

    Are you suggesting France knowingly breaks international law?

    Quelle surprise.


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    #4188
    Peregrinus
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    Aegir wrote: »
    Are you suggesting France knowingly breaks international law?

    Quelle surprise.
    Where's the breach of international law by France?


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    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Where's the breach of international law by France?

    allowing people to leave the Schengen zone unchecked is a breach of the schengen treaty, is it not?

    Therefore a breach of international law.


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    #4190
    ambro25
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    Aegir wrote: »
    Are you suggesting France knowingly breaks international law?
    That is your claim to prove. And your strawman if you can't. Off you go. With links, please.


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    #4191
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    We're hitting new depths here.


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    #4192
    Leroy42
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    Aegir wrote: »
    allowing people to leave the Schengen zone unchecked is a breach of the schengen treaty, is it not?

    Therefore a breach of international law.

    Are they allowing them to leave, or are the people just leaving?

    Not sure you can hold the French responsible if someone jumps into the back of a lorry or into a boat?

    But it is irrelevant. Whether or not Fanch does means nothing in the context of what the UK are looking to do.

    Someone else breaking the law does not give me permission to break laws, or is that what you actually think?


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    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Are they allowing them to leave, or are the people just leaving?

    Not sure you can hold the French responsible if someone jumps into the back of a lorry or into a boat?

    Ambro suggested they “turn a blind eye”.


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    #4194
    BonnieSituation
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    mick087 wrote: »
    I have to unfortunately agree in the fact if the EU don't break then it will push for deeper integration.

    Change is coming.

    It?

    The EU does what its members wish. It's not a separate entity to its members.

    Deeper integration will come when the membership want it to come.


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    #4195
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I don't know how many of you live in England and get exposed to Brexiter thinking but the current defence of the UK's new international law breaking bill is laughable. They seem to be suggesting that the UK will break the law because the EU isn't acting in good faith.


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    #4196
    CelticRambler
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    Aegir wrote: »
    allowing people to leave the Schengen zone unchecked is a breach of the schengen treaty, is it not?

    If people have entered the Schengen zone unchecked, then - from an administrative point of view - they are not present in the zone, and therefore cannot be prevented from leaving. :P


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    #4197
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Aegir wrote: »
    Ambro suggested they “turn a blind eye”.

    What do you think of the UK saying that their new bill will break international law A?


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    #4198
    RobMc59
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    CelticRambler wrote: »
    If people have entered the Schengen zone unchecked, then - from an administrative point of view - they are not present in the zone, and therefore cannot be prevented from leaving. :P

    On a serious note,the apparent lack of border control within the EU is a recipe for disaster if fanatical terrorists decide to use it as a route to Europe undetected.


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    #4199
    RobMc59
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I don't know how many of you live in England and get exposed to Brexiter thinking but the current defence of the UK's new international law breaking bill is laughable. They seem to be suggesting that the UK will break the law because the EU isn't acting in good faith.

    From what I've seen on UK media it's viewed as untrustworthy and suggests that the UK is unreliable.
    Personally,I'd have preferred Keir Starmer to have ripped into Johnson about it but his reaction to date has been disappointing.


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    #4200
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RobMc59 wrote: »
    On a serious note,the apparent lack of border control within the EU is a recipe for disaster if fanatical terrorists decide to use it as a route to Europe undetected.
    What's your solution? New border controls throughout Europe?
    Could these be technology based?
    Christ, this is stooping real low, even for you Rob


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    #4201
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    What's your solution? New border controls throughout Europe?
    Could these be technology based?
    Christ, this is stooping real low, even for you

    If people are entering Europe unchecked that suggests Europe needs to get its act together.Could you explain how pointing this problem out is 'stooping low'?


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