Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Surely Northern Ireland and Scotland will have no problem getting 50%+1 to leave the United Kingdom . I am sure I have made it absolutely clear how much in favour of Democracy I am.

Britain as a whole have made it clear that they want to leave the Eu. = Bye Bye Eu.

Democracy when it suits you. What's that quote? "Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People."

You think you're talking about an idea but you're talking about an event. You claim you care about democracy but you only care about one version of it. The one where you have to add "as a whole" to get past the fact that NI and Scotland blow a hole in your supposed love for it. When Scotland is denied a referendum, you will just say "as a whole" and carry on thinking you care about an idea. Scotland, Wales, and NI, not giving their agreement to the deal means nothing because you can always fall back on the magical "as a whole".

crypto thinks he's talking about events when he's stuck talking about people. Boris, Leo, Guy, low testosterone femboys etc. Brexit for him is all about individuals he adores and abhores, and unless he reduces it down to that, it's too complicated for him to understand.


The shltty rags ye read fool you into thinking you're smarter than you actually are. That's why not one of ye can answer a question on Brexit in any detail whatsoever, but you still have unbridled confidence in your knowledge of Brexit. It's why the Brexiteers on here are the ones to never ask a question or express doubt in their knowledge of something complex.

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Beasty wrote: »

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Beasty wrote: »

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blinding

Scotland , well some Scottish people call themselves a country. Yet only a few years ago they rejected the chance to become an Independent Country. I suggest the Scottish hurry up and Vote themselves into being an Independent Nation State. They certainly cannot be taken seriously as an Independent Nation state until they do so.

Northern Ireland. The sooner it votes to leave the Uk the better. What’s stopping it.

fash

blinding wrote: »

Surely Northern Ireland and Scotland will have no problem getting 50%+1 to leave the United Kingdom . I am sure I have made it absolutely clear how much in favour of Democracy I am.

Britain as a whole have made it clear that they want to leave the Eu. = Bye Bye Eu.

They didn't though. The majority who voted in the brexit referendum voted to remain in the single market and customs union and since then every opinion pole indicates that 55- 60% want to remain in the EU - the desires of the majority are being ignored. Why do you hate democracy so much?

blinding

fash wrote: »

They didn't though. The majority who voted in the brexit referendum voted to remain in the single market and customs union and since then every opinion pole indicates that 55- 60% want to remain in the EU - the desires of the majority are being ignored. Why do you hate democracy so much?

If Scotland and Northern Ireland want to stay in the Eu let them Democratically Vote to leave the Uk. And hurry up.

Kidchameleon

Looks like (not) everyone's favorite speaker is having trouble getting a peerage...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1232519/John-Bercow-bullying-house-of-lords-latest-boris-johnson

"Mr Bercow said that since retiring it has "become increasingly obvious that the Government has no intention of honoring the centuries-old convention that a departing speaker is promptly elevated to the House of Lords".

On the one hand I am happy that this snake (who blatantly tried and failed to circumvent the peoples democratic voice) should not get such a privilege but on the other, I would seriously enjoy referring to him as "Lord Cuck"

Kidchameleon

Its finally happening!


https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1220759425868275712

timetogo1

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Its finally happening!

I think we're all kind of glad at this stage. Finally, the end of the beginning. Now the hard part starts.

woohoo!!!

blinding wrote: »

They are more than Democratically happy with their decision. Love democracy, it is the only thing that wants you to be free.

Ah blinding my old flower. I take it you're the same blinding from p.ie? Still sticking it to the euroweenies with the old WUM routine? Brexit is boring at this stage, Trump is where it's all at.

blinding

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Looks like (not) everyone's favorite speaker is having trouble getting a peerage...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1232519/John-Bercow-bullying-house-of-lords-latest-boris-johnson

"Mr Bercow said that since retiring it has "become increasingly obvious that the Government has no intention of honoring the centuries-old convention that a departing speaker is promptly elevated to the House of Lords".

On the one hand I am happy that this snake (who blatantly tried and failed to circumvent the peoples democratic voice) should not get such a privilege but on the other, I would seriously enjoy referring to him as "Lord Cuck"

John was a great one for breaking with convention when it suited him.

He also has had numerous counts of bullying made against him .

The disgraceful re-mainers kept this horrible man in place despite all the bullying complaints against him many of them before Brexit, in case people are wondering. Re-mainers disgraced themselves again.

blinding

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Its finally happening!


https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1220759425868275712

The Democracy of the People respected, finally.:D

fly_agaric

blinding wrote: »

The Democracy of the People

Funny how Brexit boosters reach for that sort of phraseology.:pac:

blinding

fly_agaric wrote: »

Funny how Brexit boosters reach for that sort of phraseology.:pac:

Funny How

The Brexiteers have been the Democrats in this . Very Patient Democrats.:D

And Democracy has won.

Kidchameleon

https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1220397885361213445

Sadiq Khan: “I’m inviting European Londoners to City Hall on 31 January where they can get free legal advice about their rights and access the emotional support services they might need. Come along and show your support – everyone’s welcome.”

Emotional support?? Pathetic, absolutely pathetic...

blinding

He’d want to be given emotional support to the entire London Population re; Knife Crime.

He’s a poser and all about the optics.

cryptocurrency

Kidchameleon wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MayorofLondon/status/1220397885361213445

Sadiq Khan: “I’m inviting European Londoners to City Hall on 31 January where they can get free legal advice about their rights and access the emotional support services they might need. Come along and show your support – everyone’s welcome.”

Emotional support?? Pathetic, absolutely pathetic...

Should be focusing on stopping the crime in London these days,

fash

blinding wrote: »

If Scotland and Northern Ireland want to stay in the Eu let them Democratically Vote to leave the Uk. And hurry up.

I see you do not address the point that the majority voted to remain in the single market and customs union in 2016 or the fact that the majority of voters in every poll since 2016 have wanted to remain.
As regards your other statements, the Tories have said they won't allow either of those things to happen.
Furthermore, surely you think that having a 50.1% mandate in something as divisive as leaving an existing arrangement is insufficient? Surely a consensus position should be sought in such circumstances such that you achieve e.g. 60% or greater support for something so divisive?
I would note that the Tories are proposing to introduce just that as the law in the UK.

cryptocurrency

fash wrote: »

I see you do not address the point that the majority voted to remain in the single market and customs union in 2016 or the fact that the majority of voters in every poll since 2016 have wanted to remain.
As regards your other statements, the Tories have said they won't allow either of those things to happen.
Furthermore, surely you think that having a 50.1% mandate in something as divisive as leaving an existing arrangement is insufficient? Surely a consensus position should be sought in such circumstances such that you achieve e.g. 60% or greater support for something so divisive?
I would note that the Tories are proposing to introduce just that as the law in the UK.

Polls? There was an election in 2017 where all the main parties said they would respect the vote, they didn't and they were wiped out for it in 2019.

Polls, give me strength

fly_agaric

blinding wrote: »

Funny How

Get out of here! :P
It's not funny amusing anyway.

blinding wrote: »

The Brexiteers have been the Democrats in this . Very Patient Democrats.:D
And Democracy has won.

The "Brexiteers" won alright and have been patient and tireless. However [IMO] (going back decades) achieving the goal of leaving the EU has been about using the natural weaknesses of democracy to obtain the desired outcome.

blinding

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Polls? There was an election in 2017 where all the main parties said they would respect the vote, they didn't and they were wiped out for it in 2019.

Polls, give me strength

Brexit actually won three elections since the Brexit Referendum . The position was as you say for the 2017 General Election , and as you say for the Eu Elections and Finally Finally the choice between re-mainers and leavers was given the 2019 General Election.

Donald Tusk , Jean Claude, Verhofstadt, Merkel , Macron ; Your Eu took one hell of a beating in Britain.:D Only the Four times in a Row:D

The Patience of Brexit Voters is to be commended but they kept their eyes on their Prize of Freedom and the Perseverance of Democracy achieved the Freedom Prize:D:D:D

cryptocurrency

blinding wrote: »

Brexit actually won three elections since the Brexit Referendum . The position was as you say for the 2017 General Election , and as you say for the Eu Elections and Finally Finally the choice between re-mainers and leavers was given the 2019 General Election.

Donald Tusk , Jean Claude, Verhofstadt, Merkel , Macron ; Your Eu took one hell of a beating in Britain.:D Only the Four times in a Row:D

The Patience of Brexit Voters is to be commended but they kept their eyes on their Prize of Freedom and the Perseverance of Democracy achieved the Freedom Prize:D:D:D

Plus the Tory majority in 2015 on the promise of a EU referendum and the referendum itself...oh and UKIP winning the previous EU election in the UK.

blinding

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Plus the Tory majority in 2015 on the promise of a EU referendum and the referendum itself

2015 to 2019 and they kicked the Eu out. They sure had plenty of time to think it through and it still ended in kicking the Eu out. Bye Bye Eu.

cryptocurrency

blinding wrote: »

2015 to 2019 and they kicked the Eu out. They sure had plenty of time to think it through and it still ended in kicking the Eu out. Bye Bye Eu.

Yet some people call for another referendum and the same people admit that they will not accept the result again when it loses.

These EU lovers are fanatics, with strong feelings for centralising everything. It's just a new type of marxism.

First Up

blinding wrote:

And Democracy has won.

I look forward to watching them collect their prize.

cryptocurrency

First Up wrote: »

I look forward to watching them collect their prize.

Those who think they only have a future sheltered in the EU is going to protect them from the big bad world is deeply misguided. The UK, a globally thinking nation with a great trading history has sat on his hands hoping this club would take the world by the horns and acheive something but has been deeply frustrated and the disastrous direction it has taken and its disturbing protectionist apporach to business. This stagnation has been happening while we have watched other regions of the world fly...The UK could not wait no longer, it is being bold and brave and it will head to the new world head on in a quest to make some real money. The UK will succeed with this as it is bold and brave and we will look back and the missed opportunity in all the other EU states which will eventually spell the doom for the club.

THe EU's day is done, it's vision for the world is toast. Anyone who is pro business and the free market can't help and look at the UK's current moves and admire their ba**s.

blinding

First Up wrote: »

I look forward to watching them collect their prize.

The Prize is Freedom. An Independent Sovereign Nation State.

Tony EH

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Those who think they only have a future sheltered in the EU is going to protect them from the big bad world is deeply misguided. The UK, a globally thinking nation with a great trading history has sat on his hands hoping this club would take the world by the horns and acheive something but has been deeply frustrated and the disastrous direction it has taken and its disturbing protectionist apporach to business. This stagnation has been happening while we have watched other regions of the world fly...The UK could not wait no longer, it is being bold and brave and it will head to the new world head on in a quest to make some real money. The UK will succeed with this as it is bold and brave and we will look back and the missed opportunity in all the other EU states which will eventually spell the doom for the club.

THe EU's day is done, it's vision for the world is toast. Anyone who is pro business and the free market can't help and look at the UK's current moves and admire their ba**s.

This is, literally, all in your head.

In a union of four, shouldn't it be up to the UK to vote themselves out of it if the others want something different.

First Up

blinding wrote:

The Prize is Freedom. An Independent Sovereign Nation State.

Yes, just like now.

blinding

First Up wrote: »

Yes, just like now.

You cannot be a Sovereign Independent Nation State and be in the Eu.

The British People wisely saw this and took the appropriate action. Its a blessing that they did not have to resort to violence to free themselves . You notice the Eu is banging on about tooling up with an Army now .:rolleyes::rolleyes::roll eyes: Too late to keep the British in by force . It looks like they want their army to control their Eu Empire.

First Up

blinding wrote:

You cannot be a Sovereign Independent Nation State and be in the Eu.

Twenty seven sovereign independent countries (and others in the queue) think otherwise but I'm sure you will tell us why they are wrong.

end of the road

blinding wrote: »

The Prize is Freedom. An Independent Sovereign Nation State.

so basically, what they already have and have always had.

blinding wrote: »

You cannot be a Sovereign Independent Nation State and be in the Eu.

The British People wisely saw this and took the appropriate action. Its a blessing that they did not have to resort to violence to free themselves . You notice the Eu is banging on about tooling up with an Army now .:roll eyes: Too late to keep the British in by force . It looks like they want their army to control their Eu Empire.

the fact that every state within the EU is independent, free and Sovereign says otherwise.

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Its a blessing that they did not have to resort to violence to free themselves .

In what world would there be violence as a result of leaving a trade bloc with some surpranational powers...

Did you ever really think the UK was so trapped, that could be necessary?

cryptocurrency

First Up wrote: »

Twenty seven sovereign independent countries (and others in the queue) think otherwise but I'm sure you will tell us why they are wrong.

No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions

bmc58

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The EU are a disgrace, if it wasnt for them stalling, the Brits would be gone now and another nail would be in the EU's coffin. Roll on Oct 31's here's hoping for a hard Brexit, screw the border, the EU must crumble quicky at any cost.

The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.

cryptocurrency

end of the road wrote: »

so basically, what they already have and have always had.





the fact that every state within the EU is independent, free and Sovereign says otherwise.

Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?

cryptocurrency

bmc58 wrote: »

The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.

Needed to save this beaut.

EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.

Kidchameleon

bmc58 wrote: »

The EU are not stalling.They are standing up to the UK bullyboys and Boris is no1 bully.Thanks to the EU the UK and Boris are learning that they can't have their cake and eat it.Well done to the EU,Britania doesn't rule the waves anymore.

That quote is months old, they are not stalling any more. It is done

First Up

cryptocurrency wrote:

No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions

If most of us think as you do, we will see a surge in support for anti- EU candidates on February 8.

You could run for office on that platform and see how you get on.

Kidchameleon

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That quote is months old, they are not stalling any more. It is done

Do you still believe the EU must fall, whatever the cost may be to the UK?

First Up

cryptocurrency wrote:

Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?

Well in 1944 some of them were blowing the crap out of each other so that has changed anyway.

In 2025 at least 27 of them will be cooperating even closer, to the continued betterment of their citizens.

Kidchameleon

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you still believe the EU must fall, whatever the cost may be to the UK?

Well I never said the cost must be shouldered by the UK only, even the quote you gave doesn't say that.. But yes the EU must fall and it is falling thankfully.

cryptocurrency

First Up wrote: »

Well in 1944 some of them were blowing the crap out of each other so that has changed anyway.

In 2025 at least 27 of them will be cooperating even closer, to the continued betterment of their citizens.

Some, the powers were at it and the rest were caught in the corss fire. 2020 you have Poland, Italy who will not be dictated to by Germany or France. The other nations are just a side show.

It is not gonna end well and the UK would be wise to keep allies in Warsaw, Washington, Rome central for when this goes off.

end of the road

cryptocurrency wrote: »

No they don't. This is an Irish forum and we all know here that Ireland is not at all free or independent in making it's own decisions

well no, we don't all know this because it's not the case. ireland makes decisions of it's own every single day, free of the EU.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Were they all these things in 1974, 1984, 1994, 2004, 2019? What about 2025? Are you seriously saying nothing has changed?

yes, they were and are all of these things in the years you mention.
all that has really changed is standardisation on certain matters between countries to allow free, open trade with as little cost as possible to users and businesses.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Needed to save this beaut.

EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.

britain is the one who successively stalled.

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Some, the powers were at it and the rest were caught in the corss fire. 2020 you have Poland, Italy who will not be dictated to by Germany or France. The other nations are just a side show.

It is not gonna end well and the UK would be wise to keep allies in Warsaw, Washington, Rome central for when this goes off.

just as well italy and poland aren't being dictated to by germany and france, and never have been.

blinding

Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

The UK has gotten out just in time .

PeadarCo

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Needed to save this beaut.

EU have been in a figure four leg lock two months, and Boris is just getting started.

Honestly this is the funniest Brexit post on boards that I've seen. The EU is in complete control.

If Boris is only getting started God help the UK in negotiations. The Brexit deal the UK has is worse than May's deal. NI is now under a separate customs arrangement to the UK or to put in another way the UK has lost partial control of its territory. At this rate he'll agree to make the UK a de facto colony of the EU with a Brino deal.

In statements over the last week the UK hasn't had a clue if it wants to stay aligned with EU rules or diverge. The exact position really depends on which of the many contradictory statements you believe.

The UK has no idea of what trade talks it's prioritising. One minute it's the US, next day its Australia next day its the EU. Next week it'll be someone else.

The EU have come and told the UK it will get a very limited trade deal. This is not an organisation that's in any panic. The EU won't start talks until March. Again an organisation that's not too worried about the UK.

This is primarily due Boris's decision to rule out getting an extension to the transition period. So Boris now has two options take a very hard Brexit deal or agree to adopt all EU regulations and standards or in another word Brino.

cryptocurrency

end of the road wrote: »

well no, we don't all know this because it's not the case. ireland makes decisions of it's own every single day, free of the EU.





yes, they were and are all of these things in the years you mention.
all that has really changed is standardisation on certain matters between countries to allow free, open trade with as little cost as possible to users and businesses.





britain is the one who successively stalled.





just as well italy and poland aren't being dictated to by germany and france, and never have been.

Hope you don't buy all you say.

The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left.

THe EU Economy has stalled and has been a very long while, which is why the UK left to find where the action was at. Projections including the IMF has the UK as Europes biggest economy in years to come.

blinding

blinding wrote: »

Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

The UK has gotten out just in time .

Do you reckon your hatred of the EU is less than, on par, or greater than, our appreciation of EU membership despite its drawbacks?

KildareP

cryptocurrency wrote: »

The Irish believe anything, we are very needy as a nation and deeply insecure. We support the EU blindly like the local GAA team just because we are in it. It will change the other way drastically if we left. .

Which is why we rejected two referendums, I suppose?

Why we are party to a court case with Apple over a tax bill?

Why we have a low corporation tax?

I see plenty of blind faith - just not what to you refer.

cryptocurrency

PeadarCo wrote: »

Honestly this is the funniest Brexit post on boards that I've seen. The EU is in complete control.

If Boris is only getting started God help the UK in negotiations. The Brexit deal the UK has is worse than May's deal. NI is now under a separate customs arrangement to the UK or to put in another way the UK has lost partial control of its territory. At this rate he'll agree to make the UK a de facto colony of the EU with a Brino deal.

In statements over the last week the UK hasn't had a clue if it wants to stay aligned with EU rules or diverge. The exact position really depends on which of the many contradictory statements you believe.

The UK has no idea of what trade talks it's prioritising. One minute it's the US, next day its Australia next day its the EU. Next week it'll be someone else.

The EU have come and told the UK it will get a very limited trade deal. This is not an organisation that's in any panic. The EU won't start talks until March. Again an organisation that's not too worried about the UK.

This is primarily due Boris's decision to rule out getting an extension to the transition period. So Boris now has two options take a very hard Brexit deal or agree to adopt all EU regulations and standards or in another word Brino.

You are just regurgitating paper headlines. This administation has been in less then 2 months and he has already kicked the EU around...it will get much worse for them but I'm sure the usual politics will have them all agreeing on the stage.

UK will be just fine, and it will be out of the CU,SM and the power of the ECJ..there is no other way to explain that other then an outright humiliation of the EU.

Will the EU be in recession as it watchs the UK be ok? will the remainers focus on some nonsense figures from some guardian journo saying the economy would be 0.0000324522145% bigger if it had stayed and roundly circulated by remainers as proof they were right (while ignoring the numbers and the sh**sh*w taking place in these european states) ...you bet they will.

cryptocurrency

KildareP wrote: »

Which is why we rejected two referendums, I suppose?

Why we are party to a court case with Apple over a tax bill?

Why we have a low corporation tax?

I see plenty of blind faith - just not what to you refer.

I can't believe you mentioned the referendums, we should be deeply ashamed about them being ignored.

Tax, will turn on the news, it's coming to an end, it's the hottest topic and Ireland is in the cross hairs.

By the way, where is that apple money?

cryptocurrency

blinding wrote: »

Tis funny how the Eu after losing the UK suddenly need to tool up with their Army .

The next Leaver may have to take on this Eu Army to get their Freedom.

The UK has gotten out just in time .

The EU talking up and army is comedy gold. They may try but never will have an army of note.

The UK and it's allies wouldn't have to worry about any EU army ever, it will never ben allowed to be a threat in capacity.