Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Dickie10 wrote: »

id agree i dont think times have changed that much people still love drinking , singing and dancing til 4 am on a saturday night. otherwise places like coppers and all the pubs on camden st would be closed down long before now. i think you my friend are overstating the demise of pubs. i have listened to the people talk that noboody goes to nightclubs anymore either but i heard the same thing around 2006 and i still see nightclubs packed on a saturday night espically in summer. nightclubs by thier nature are great fun and appeal to most humans fun senses, drink, music and the opposite sex. i dont think you will see them close from want of patrons anytime soon.

nobody said every single pub or night club is going to close.
however the reality is that a lot of the population don't care enough about pubs reopening or not reopening for it to be a voting issue, and lots of pubs have and will close.

I wonder how many of NPHET will have books to promote in a year's time. They probably have them half written at this stage. All gunning to have the first one out.

Some of them will probably jump into bed with FG to run for a local or general election. Might even see some on Dancing with the Stars.

They are absolutely loving it. Supreme power of the country, answerable to nobody. They don't want this to end. And they especially don't want it to end before they can call ending our pub culture as their legacy. That will go well in the book.

dominatinMC wrote: »

Contrary to your polemic beliefs, it appears that a lot of people do, in fact, care about the pubs. Proof: the activity on this thread, the daily media stories on the topic, the fact that gastropubs up and down the country are jointed at the moment. Simply put, if nobody cared, it wouldn't be the topic of conversation it is. Whether you like it or not, it's a national pastime, a national obsession and, much to your chagrin, it's going nowhere.

so how do you turn what i actually said, into me saying nobody cares about the pubs, something i didn't say?
i also never said the pub trade was going to completely die out either.
however the reality is pubs are not going to be a major voting issue, for some it would be but for many, probably most, there are bigger priorities.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

The point.

A LOT of country pubs survive only to keep the community together, they make no money at all, like my local, we went to celebrate birthdays, confirmations, christenings, funerals... it's where we met up for a few pints and poker, darts, pool on set nights. The nights didn't revolve around drinking. A lot of them were not viable businesses but a service to the community. My own local is gone... forever now.

it sounds to me that whoever owned your local pub was looking for an out and took the opportunity of covid to get out.
now of course i don't know for definite if that is the case but going on what you stated, that your local made no money and is now gone forever because of covid, it sounds like that covid hastened what was probably always going to happen down the line anyway.
even if pubs are just there as a community service, they do have to make money to at least pay the costs of running it otherwise they just wouldn't be viable at all.

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dominatinMC wrote: »

I don't think it takes a PhD in linguistics to decipher what was said in your post. By stating that people are hugely over estimating about how much of the population cares about pubs, it implies that a only a minority do care. I've even highlighted the passage of text in bold for you. If you meant to say something different, that's an indictment of your comprehension skills, but I certainly didn't "turn what you said" into anything other than that which was stated.

at the end of your original post you stated, if nobody cared.
i never ever said nobody cared, what i did say is that people are perhapse oever estimating how much care there is for the pubs in reality.
so yes there are people who care about the pubs, but the amount of those who do may be over estimated, and i would suspect are not in such a number to make it a huge voting issue for which the government could be threatened by.
MUP is more likely to be that voting issue as it's a sop to the vintners, rather then the pubs themselves being the voting issue.

Dickie10 wrote: »

id agree i dont think times have changed that much people still love drinking , singing and dancing til 4 am on a saturday night. otherwise places like coppers and all the pubs on camden st would be closed down long before now. i think you my friend are overstating the demise of pubs. i have listened to the people talk that noboody goes to nightclubs anymore either but i heard the same thing around 2006 and i still see nightclubs packed on a saturday night espically in summer. nightclubs by thier nature are great fun and appeal to most humans fun senses, drink, music and the opposite sex. i dont think you will see them close from want of patrons anytime soon.

Nightclubs are still packed because there are a greatly reduced number of them. When I was at Nightclub age there were 4 of them within a 10 minute taxi ride. They are all gone now. Even the late bars in the general area are nearly all gone.

I have 5 pubs within relative walking distance gone in the last 20 years.

bigpink wrote: »

I'd say alot are hoping they will be get compensated and close up

Unfortunately I think this is also the case. A good few pubs I know werent making much money and were just getting by,some with no mortgages are happy enough on PUP.
Of course these are in the minority but when all this is over I reckon 30% -40% of pubs wont reopen.

hynesie08 wrote: »

No that was mcstuffins..... are you him???

Find it hilarious when these lads put anyone they don't agree with on ignore.

For people who are so against face coverings, they sure spend a lot of time with their heads in the sand