Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fortwilliam

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

Signore Fancy Pants

LOL

Strumms

Fann Linn

fortwilliam wrote: »

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

Some Professor said that earlier; 'love to know how you're safer in a pub by buying a €9 sandwich as opposed to one who doesnt? '

They should be all shut or all open.

robman60

Fairly surprised and not sure it's justified. Nightclubs maybe but I don't see it's tenable to have cafes and restaurants open but pubs treated differently. Open with table service and limited numbers seems a more proportional response in my view.

Spearmint Polo

They should open up and all do a toasted sambo special and a pint for €9. Bookies have no regulations, I was in there the weekend and asked was there a time frame for me to leave and was told no. It’s all very strange.

Strumms

The food thing was just trying to enable the industry to be somewhat pacified. Now they have got used to tills ringing for food they want them ringing for drink too..

Bookie thing again is a head scratcher, most bookies are tiny establishments.. but it’s an industry both bookies and racing / sport that has a lot of connections and influence quite deep into political circles.

GazzaL

Fann Linn wrote: »

Some Professor said that earlier; 'love to know how you're safer in a pub by buying a €9 sandwich as opposed to one who doesnt? '

They should be all shut or all open.

That Professor must be from the College of Common Sense.

Spanish Eyes

Vintners must be going mad. They had so much power, but not any longer it seems..

I think it's an experiment to get people using other social outlets like cafes and licensed restaurants. Pubs can be dark, windowless, not good air circulation etc.

ablelocks

it's a good thing - from what I've seen, social distancing is not happening effectively in shops or restaurants. Not at the beach or on the streets. Not at all in sports training I'm involved in or by supporters at the challenge matches I've been to. There isn't a hope in hell that a pub can operate and not be a focal point for COVID 19.

Think about it - the people who are getting out and about as it is aren't doing what they're supposed to do.

If the pub's reopened on Monday, it would coincide with the restart of most GAA (and other sports) matches. So on the weekend of the 25th, people will go to a match, congregate in the ground, roar and shout and then go to the pub!

If Covid could talk this is what it would ask for - a perfect opportunity to reset and tear into us again.

Look at the evidence from around the world in countries that have eased their lockdowns.

I love going to the pub (or used to) but this is just asking for our hospitals to be overloaded again and all our efforts over the last 5 months will have been in vain.

fortwilliam

fortwilliam wrote: »

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

Because after a couple of Stellas all sense of social distancing is abandoned.

Strumms

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Vintners must be going mad. They had so much power, but not any longer it seems..

I think it's an experiment to get people using other social outlets like cafes and licensed restaurants. Pubs can be dark, windowless, not good air circulation etc.

The way they’ve spat the dummy in this crisis that they couldn’t influence and amend the thinking of the powers that be drives them batshît crazy. Gone from having a big influence in the social and political life to, well, nothing.

Overheal

"No food pubs" - you mean a Bar.

KevRossi

Plenty of people in the VFI will be delighted with that.

It means people will have to go to the bigger pubs for drink, and pay and extra €9 for something they may not want. It means the little guys will be a step closer to closing down, which is all the better for the big pubs.

I know someone with a small pub, they predicted this 3 weeks ago. VFI is only interested in it's bigger members, the small pubs are a thorn in their side.

boombang

I support this. Was out in a restaurant with the in laws on Sunday. Some well meaning acquaintance comes up, buckled, hugs and kisses half of our group, shakes hands with the other. I know it's just because he was pissed, but there's nothing we could do but smile awkwardly. There's no telling drunk people. We'll not be back to pubs or restaurants in a while after that experience.

Drink and COVID don't mix.

Mrcaramelchoc

KevRossi wrote: »

Plenty of people in the VFI will be delighted with that.

It means people will have to go to the bigger pubs for drink, and pay and extra €9 for something they may not want. It means the little guys will be a step closer to closing down, which is all the better for the big pubs.

I know someone with a small pub, they predicted this 3 weeks ago. VFI is only interested in it's bigger members, the small pubs are a thorn in their side.

Lots of assumptions and generalisations there.
Lets go back to bob in the studio.

Trigger Happy

I am disappointed but not surprised. Pesky bat flu.

Fann Linn

I see it here in the village I'm living in. 3 out of 4 small pubs shut and 1 wedged because they do meals and take aways. Carpark full from early to late and they even put on FB last weekend that they were fully booked out.

Now maybe I'm mistaken but surely it's safer or even less hazardous to have the other joints open so that the crowds would not all throng into the one place where the risk of contagion must be greater.

Tig98

I understand everyone giving out but I think it's justified.

Was up North after the pubs reopened and it was pure bedlam. They attempted to space out tables in pubs but no social distancing what so ever in the toilets, smoking areas or outside the pubs themselves. Big crowds of people milling around together. There will definitely be a surge up there in the coming weeks.

Food service and maybe a few pints in a tightly monitored setting is okay for the moment

KiKi III

robman60 wrote: »

Fairly surprised and not sure it's justified. Nightclubs maybe but I don't see it's tenable to have cafes and restaurants open but pubs treated differently. Open with table service and limited numbers seems a more proportional response in my view.

Never seen four lads pile into a cafe bathroom to do a line of coke off a toilet seat though.

BPKS

This is down to those w@nkers that gathered on Dame Lane the weekend before last.

Its very simple to have a set of rules.

Capacity based on x amount of people per square metre. Size of the pub is included in licence renewals so would be easily calculated.

Gardai and environmental health officers to inspect. If you are above the numbers allowed you get a warning. If it happens again you are shut down.

ablelocks

ablelocks wrote: »

Look at the evidence from around the world in countries that have eased their lockdowns.

Lockdowns have been eased all over Western Europe for the last two months with no uptick in cases and a continuously falling death rate.

Some countries have had bars open for two months. Where there have been surges none have been connected with shops, bars or restaurants.

So yes, let's look at the evidence and agree opening pubs would be a safe enough thing to do.

Fann Linn

BPKS wrote: »

This is down to those w@nkers that gathered on Dame Lane the weekend before last.

Its very simple to have a set of rules.

Capacity based on x amount of people per square metre. Size of the pub is included in licence renewals so would be easily calculated.

Gardai and environmental health officers to inspect. If you are above the numbers allowed you get a warning. If it happens again you are shut down.

Like the professor earlier, you're coming from the School of Common Sense so you're guaranteed not to get a hearing.

Limpy

God gets his revenge for good Friday. Blame Munster rugby for challenging him.

Assetbacked

This is my 4th pint of the evening, post-work, with dinner ingested and contact details provided. It is shocking that I couldn't do the same thing without the food for another few weeks but I can have gaff parties with less accountability to my heart's content.

mossie

In the town where I work there's a large pub with a bar, lounge and function room. They are also a restaurant and opened a couple of weeks back. Last Saturday night it was 4am when the last customer left. Allegedly the owner has an "arrangement" with the local Gardai to look the other way.

Assetbacked

GazzaL wrote: »

That Professor must be from the College of Common Sense.

That isn't an Irish University I'm guessing.

mossie

Deleted User wrote: »

Lockdowns have been eased all over Western Europe for the last two months with no uptick in cases and a continuously falling death rate.

Some countries have had bars open for two months. Where there have been surges none have been connected with shops, bars or restaurants.

So yes, let's look at the evidence and agree opening pubs would be a safe enough thing to do.

Few of those countries have the same pub culture we do though.

Pkiernan

Theres going to be another April style lockdown because of stupid Oirish drunken degenerates who can't go without a pint.

Poorside

Why don't they just make sure we all have these magic €9 meals that stop the Virus.

Jimi H

We all want to go for a pint but how many of us see it ending well when the pubs open? It’ll be a free for all.

Assetbacked

ablelocks wrote: »

it's a good thing - from what I've seen, social distancing is not happening effectively in shops or restaurants. Not at the beach or on the streets. Not at all in sports training I'm involved in or by supporters at the challenge matches I've been to. There isn't a hope in hell that a pub can operate and not be a focal point for COVID 19.

Think about it - the people who are getting out and about as it is aren't doing what they're supposed to do.

If the pub's reopened on Monday, it would coincide with the restart of most GAA (and other sports) matches. So on the weekend of the 25th, people will go to a match, congregate in the ground, roar and shout and then go to the pub!

If Covid could talk this is what it would ask for - a perfect opportunity to reset and tear into us again.

Look at the evidence from around the world in countries that have eased their lockdowns.

I love going to the pub (or used to) but this is just asking for our hospitals to be overloaded again and all our efforts over the last 5 months will have been in vain.

Agree with this but it's not a new phenomenon, the supermarkets have been open all along, beaches open the last few weeks, house parties in various levels since the beginning, restaurants now open nearly three weeks. So we have data on all of these activities and there is nothing to suggest these are high risk activities.

That is on the data as against current reopening measures.

However, how do you marry the lack of reopening with no border control or testing at the airports? Or with the lack of joined up approach with the UK with whom we share an island who have their pubs open? Or even with the EU with whom we don't share a border but align with them in most foreign policy arrangements. It makes no sense from a data driven, Irish specific context nor from a logical perspective.

Fann Linn

Pkiernan wrote: »

Theres going to be another April style lockdown because of stupid Oirish drunken degenerates who can't go without a pint.

So nothing to do with Texan flights, barbers, gyms and bookies being open, queues for IKEA and Woodies, nursing homes, not wearing masks on buses or trains. etc etc...?

It's just drunks in your opinion.

Pkiernan

Fann Linn wrote: »

So nothing to do with Texan flights, barbers, gyms and bookies being open, queues for IKEA and Woodies, nursing homes, not wearing masks on buses or trains. etc etc...?

It's just drunks in your opinion.

Not just the Paddy Drunkards, but they'll be the ones that spread it like wildfire.

Why can't the Irish wear masks? It would make a lot of them look better for a start!

Necro

Mod:

Moving to Covid Forum, reminder to read the charter

GazzaL

Pkiernan wrote: »

Not just the Paddy Drunkards, but they'll be the ones that spread it like wildfire.

Why can't the Irish wear masks? It would make a lot of them look better for a start!

Masks are ****ing annoying to wear. Many people can't wear them properly. Many people can't wear them without touching themselves. Many people struggle to breath while wearing them.

A fella was talking to me today while wearing one and I could hear he was struggling to breath. I told him there was no need to wear one for my benefit and we could socially distance to mitigate the risk.

Hurrache

They can be uncomfortable, but was his mask made from a plastic bag?

ThunbergsAreGo

Pkiernan wrote: »

Theres going to be another April style lockdown because of stupid Oirish drunken degenerates who can't go without a pint.

Everyone knows alcohol makes it spread more......ffs

Getting sick of this anti drink/pubs thing, there are a myriad of reasons there might be an increase of which the pub is one.

A meal does not make you immune

KaneToad

fortwilliam wrote: »

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

It's because people can't be trusted with alcohol on them. No more, no less. (I'd be inclined to agree, all my good intentions always go out the window after the second pint.)

ThunbergsAreGo

KaneToad wrote: »

It's because people can't be trusted with alcohol on them. No more, no less. (I'd be inclined to agree, all my good intentions always go out the window after the second pint.)

Which they can drink on a beach, in a park, at a restaurant or at a pub serving food.

Spanish Eyes

Jimi H wrote: »

We all want to go for a pint but how many of us see it ending well when the pubs open? It’ll be a free for all.

Reckon the frenzy will be short lived. If it ever happens

SteM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Everyone knows alcohol makes it spread more......ffs

Getting sick of this anti drink/pubs thing, there are a myriad of reasons there might be an increase of which the pub is one.

A meal does not make you immune

Obviously a meal doesn't make you immune. It might stop people from going out as often though, helps control the numbers.

KaneToad

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Which they can drink on a beach, in a park, at a restaurant or at a pub serving food.

A beach is outdoors
A park is outdoors
Restaurants & pubs currently have restrictions (which aren't being followed) on dwell times

firemansam4

As someone who enjoys going out for a drink I think this is the correct decision.

You can see from some house party's around the country that there have been spikes in cases because of them. So the same will likely happen if pubs reopen, a few too many drinks and people wont care much about social distancing.

It's very tough on vintners and they are going to need economic supports to help them, but I believe it needs to be done.

I am actually of the opinion that pubs should probably stay shut to at least next year, because if they are open over Christmas it could be a **** show.

briany

It was evident before the lockdown that social distancing in pubs probably wasn't going to work, especially in the more popular spots that lots of younger people frequent and seem to have an attitude of "I don't care if I get it.". Social distancing in a nightclub isn't just discarded, but enthusiastically discarded.

JP Liz V1

Won't this encourage increase house parties more now?

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Lockdowns have been eased all over Western Europe for the last two months with no uptick in cases and a continuously falling death rate.

Some countries have had bars open for two months. Where there have been surges none have been connected with shops, bars or restaurants.

So yes, let's look at the evidence and agree opening pubs would be a safe enough thing to do.

People in other countries obey rules and wear masks.

Not the Irish though. Rules don't suit the Irish.

SEPT 23 1989

The people who make these decisions dont spend time drinking pints in pubs

They hate them

Hurrache

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Won't this encourage increase house parties more now?

No, house parties will happen regardless.

And if the pubs were open and the same people spreading amongst their circle of friends at parties spread it around pubs, the consequences are obvious.

KiKi III

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Won't this encourage increase house parties more now?

A house party with 10-20 of your friends is way, way less dangerous than a night out in 2-3 venues each of which have scores of staff and customers.

briany

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Won't this encourage increase house parties more now?

It may do, but if someone is determined to have a house party, there's little that a government can really do to stop them unless you want to get really draconian by shutting down the off licenses and enforcing a curfew.