Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Richard Hillman

I think we need to secretly open our pubs. You can ring ahead to the establishment and they will let you in the door. A circle of trust can be gained by vetting individuals to see if they are trusted. We can called it the New Piss Head Entitlement Treaty. Or NPHET for short.

I went "out out" today. First time since March. Two separate places, food in both. Urgh! Not worth the hassle to be honest.

Great pint of Guinness, but common sense has been outlawed, with both establishments having their own, at times stupid, interpretations of the guidelines.

To be honest, a quiet pint in a quiet old mans pub would have been much more enjoyable and I suspect much easier to manage for management.

Also, the music was too loud in the first place we went. I thought music wasn't allowed?

Justin Credible Darts

would any sensible rational person truly trust a person, who thinks the pub is a priority during this pandemic, to adhere to the laws, as the selfish one gets pissed.
If these people are willing to dismiss covid with this much ease whilst sober, you can bet as alcohol lowers their inhibitions they are more likely to behave incorrectly.

Justin Credible Darts

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

would any sensible rational person truly trust a person, who thinks the pub is a priority during this pandemic, to adhere to the laws, as the selfish one gets pissed.
If these people are willing to dismiss covid with this much ease whilst sober, you can bet as alcohol lowers their inhibitions they are more likely to behave incorrectly.

Pubs are not for getting pissed in. Not for most people.

mountgomery burns

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

would any sensible rational person truly trust a person, who thinks the pub is a priority during this pandemic, to adhere to the laws, as the selfish one gets pissed.
If these people are willing to dismiss covid with this much ease whilst sober, you can bet as alcohol lowers their inhibitions they are more likely to behave incorrectly.

I've said before but in light of yesterday's announcement, from the outset they should have put in place sensible measures backed up with penalties for non compliance.

There is ultimately one way publicans can control behaviour on their premises and that is to kick people out if not complying with what's being asked. So if people are trying to join other tables, stand at the bar, "slobber all over someone" as one fella kept banging on about (whatever that means) then they should be warned and then kicked out.

If a pub is found to be wedging people in, not providing sufficient sanitary facilities, not cleaning tables regularly, allowing people to mix and stand close together and taking details for contact tracing then they should be warned and if ignored closed for a week and fined.

Instead, all the focus has been on whether people eat food or not to the point where most pubs are still closed and Berlin Bar faced no sanctions because even though clearly they were taking the piss everyone had a few spuds so no problem.

The measures they are calling for now should have been there in June and they could have opened all the pubs. That's not prioritizing pubs either by the way, anyone calling for pubs to open 6 months after they closed can hardly be guilty of calling them a priority?

Justin Credible Darts

Deleted User wrote: »

Pubs are not for getting pissed in. Not for most people.

ok then, since you want to be pedantic, 2 pints then.
dont tell me 2 pints does not affect judgement, otherwise you would be allowed drive.


spin it any way you like, if people are selfish enough and stupid enough to think they are immune to covid and they can socialize during a pandemic, I am not going to trust them to act responsibly after alcohol, whether it is intentional or not

DeanAustin

mountgomery burns wrote: »

I've said before but in light of yesterday's announcement, from the outset they should have put in place sensible measures backed up with penalties for non compliance.

There is ultimately one way publicans can control behaviour on their premises and that is to kick people out if not complying with what's being asked. So if people are trying to join other tables, stand at the bar, "slobber all over someone" as one fella kept banging on about (whatever that means) then they should be warned and then kicked out.

If a pub is found to be wedging people in, not providing sufficient sanitary facilities, not cleaning tables regularly, allowing people to mix and stand close together and taking details for contact tracing then they should be warned and if ignored closed for a week and fined.

Instead, all the focus has been on whether people eat food or not to the point where most pubs are still closed and Berlin Bar faced no sanctions because even though clearly they were taking the piss everyone had a few spuds so no problem.

The measures they are calling for now should have been there in June and they could have opened all the pubs. That's not prioritizing pubs either by the way, anyone calling for pubs to open 6 months after they closed can hardly be guilty of calling them a priority?

Pubs won’t want to piss off their customers or the hassle of confronting them so guidelines won’t be enforced. There is no way it can be policed comprehensively by the Gardai or anything approaching comprehensively.

You can see that already with the pubs that have opened. We open up pubs and the virus will spread. We may have to do it at some stage because it’s not tenable to do what we are doing in the long term but we’re kidding ourselves if we think opening up the pubs won’t result in guidelines being ignored by a sizeable minority of people.

SusieBlue

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

would any sensible rational person truly trust a person, who thinks the pub is a priority during this pandemic, to adhere to the laws, as the selfish one gets pissed.
If these people are willing to dismiss covid with this much ease whilst sober, you can bet as alcohol lowers their inhibitions they are more likely to behave incorrectly.

No one is asking for them to be prioritised. You are arguing against a point no one even made because no one on this thread asked that pubs be prioritised over public health, or over anything else for that matter - the only person who keeps trotting that one liner is you.

We are asking for them to be given the same opportunity every other industry was given to open with new policies and procedures in place to protect customer safety.
So far they have not been afforded this opportunity.
They have been closed for over half a year now and should be given the chance to see if they can trade safely in the same way that restaurants/pubs that serve food operate.

What’s selfish is keeping an entire industry closed indefinitely with no end in sight, when none of the current clusters or outbreaks can be traced back to food serving pubs and restaurants.
Once again your anger and disdain is directed at completely the wrong people, it’s quite hilarious that you’re calling people who socialise ‘stupid and selfish’ and say you don’t trust them while ignoring the fact that the current outbreaks stem from meat factories and nursing homes.

robbiezero

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

ok then, since you want to be pedantic, 2 pints then.
dont tell me 2 pints does not affect judgement, otherwise you would be allowed drive.


spin it any way you like, if people are selfish enough and stupid enough to think they are immune to covid and they can socialize during a pandemic, I am not going to trust them to act responsibly after alcohol, whether it is intentional or not

Because driving a 2 ton+ vehicle at 60+ miles an hour is the same as trying to make your way back to your table from the jacks.
F**k me. There does be some nonsense posted on this forum.

end of the road

SusieBlue wrote: »

No one is asking for them to be prioritised. You are arguing against a point no one even made because no one on this thread asked that pubs be prioritised over public health, or over anything else for that matter - the only person who keeps trotting that one liner is you.

We are asking for them to be given the same opportunity every other industry was given to open with new policies and procedures in place to protect customer safety.
So far they have not been afforded this opportunity.
They have been closed for over half a year now and should be given the chance to see if they can trade safely in the same way that restaurants/pubs that serve food operate.

What’s selfish is keeping an entire industry closed indefinitely with no end in sight, when none of the current clusters or outbreaks can be traced back to food serving pubs and restaurants.
Once again your anger and disdain is directed at completely the wrong people, it’s quite hilarious that you’re calling people who socialise ‘stupid and selfish’ and say you don’t trust them while ignoring the fact that the current outbreaks stem from meat factories and nursing homes.

they have been given the same opportunities, they are just unable to take them up so have to stay closed which is on them.
we know in the uk clusters have developed due to pubs, it's how aberdeene's lockdown came in apparently.
the food pubs are set up in such a way that it is inconvenient for many to go hence the numbers aren't what they would usually be, hence it mostly works.

SusieBlue

end of the road wrote: »

they have been given the same opportunities, they are just unable to take them up so have to stay closed which is on them.
we know in the uk clusters have developed due to pubs, it's how aberdeene's lockdown came in apparently.
the food pubs are set up in such a way that it is inconvenient for many to go hence the numbers aren't what they would usually be, hence it mostly works.

Please back up your claim that non food serving pubs were given the same opportunity to open here as every other industry or retract your statement, because we both know that simply isn’t true.

The UK has completely different regulations in place so there is no logic in comparing them to ours. Complete straw man argument.

hynesie08

end of the road wrote: »

they have been given the same opportunities, they are just unable to take them up so have to stay closed which is on them.
we know in the uk clusters have developed due to pubs, it's how aberdeene's lockdown came in apparently.
the food pubs are set up in such a way that it is inconvenient for many to go hence the numbers aren't what they would usually be, hence it mostly works.

What other industry has had to completely change how they operate in order to be allowed reopen?? Do gyms have to sell food? Did Penneys have to kick you out after 1h45?

Pubs aren't open because they haven't been given the same opportunities....

Gods Gift

Of course 2 or 3 pints impairs judgment.
How else would most Irish people have been conceived.

mountgomery burns

DeanAustin wrote: »

Pubs won’t want to piss off their customers or the hassle of confronting them so guidelines won’t be enforced. There is no way it can be policed comprehensively by the Gardai or anything approaching comprehensively.

You can see that already with the pubs that have opened. We open up pubs and the virus will spread. We may have to do it at some stage because it’s not tenable to do what we are doing in the long term but we’re kidding ourselves if we think opening up the pubs won’t result in guidelines being ignored by a sizeable minority of people.

You could be right, but I've heard examples since June of people blackguarding and publicans either telling them where to go or taking action to stop it.

I would think that those more likely to bend or even blatantly break the rules have already opened to be honest with you. What's more that sizeable minority are breaking rules already between no food to over-capacity to no social distancing etc. But the vast majority are compliant, I've been in about 8 different pubs since they opened in 3 different towns and all were compliant.

I would say there are three types of pubs that remain closed:

a) those that are frustrated but fully compliant with whatever guidelines are imposed
b) those that would feel they can't/don't want to enforce measures on patrons and can afford to stay closed
c) those that would not be viable with the reduced capacity

I would bet that category "a" is far greater than the other two. I know what you mean about policing two, but they've currently no real powers of enforcement so what has even been the point in wasting resources on these inspections up to now? Window dressing, as have a lot of the measures introduced since we started to emerge from lockdown in May.

Justin Credible Darts

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

ok then, since you want to be pedantic, 2 pints then.
dont tell me 2 pints does not affect judgement, otherwise you would be allowed drive.


spin it any way you like, if people are selfish enough and stupid enough to think they are immune to covid and they can socialize during a pandemic, I am not going to trust them to act responsibly after alcohol, whether it is intentional or not

So after 2 pints or 3, I'm going to wear the face off any young one that passes by, whether she's coughing up phlegm or not?

I honestly can't decide whether you have a very jaded take on the world or 'justin credible' is a play on words for 'just incredible' and so a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Don't respond to this comment.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

So after 2 pints or 3, I'm going to wear the face off any young one that passes by, whether she's coughing up phlegm or not?

I honestly can't decide whether you have a very jaded take on the world or 'justin credible' is a play on words for 'just incredible' and so a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Don't respond to this comment.

Telling people not to respond? Away and ****e.

US2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So after 2 pints or 3, I'm going to wear the face off any young one that passes by, whether she's coughing up phlegm or not?

I honestly can't decide whether you have a very jaded take on the world or 'justin credible' is a play on words for 'just incredible' and so a troll. I'm leaning towards the latter.

Don't respond to this comment.

Justin is literally a professional troll. He has a website dedicated to trolling dart players.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Telling people not to respond? Away and ****e.

Him, i meant, not "regular" posters.

Read all his comments, he's clearly a troll.

That’s just because they’re saying something you don’t agree with. That’s how it works here.

US2

US2 wrote: »

Justin is literally a professional troll. He has a website dedicated to trolling dart players.

I thought you were joking!

What a sad, pathetic individual.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

That’s just because they’re saying something you don’t agree with. That’s how it works here.

Google Justin credible darts.

First hit: blogspot page trolling darts players.

Im happy to debate anything with anyone. They are talking rubbish and comparing social distancing with drink driving.

Justin Credible Darts

and there we have it.

Mention the fact that after a few pints people are more prone to mistakes, and you are a troll

Claim the truth , how the pub is not a priority, and you are a troll.

If you dare to consider your health ir the health of others you are called boring

If you tell people they can go to a pub that serves food if they are that desperate to socialize during a pandemic, and you are told you are going on ignore.

This is how people on here deal with facts, if they dont like the truth simply label people boring or trolls, claim to put them on ignore, but never acknowledge the actual truth, we cant have that, it would get in the way of the agenda, and how people think its their right to be in a pub, despite a lot of pubs already being open.

but why let things like the truth get in the way, of their crying.....


starts clock...

PommieBast

HBC08 wrote: »

Of course these are in the minority but when all this is over I reckon 30% -40% of pubs wont reopen.

Those figures sound about right to me. I suspect of those that do reopen a lot will be under new management.


My uncle owns a pub in the UK and the previous tenant did a runner leaving a load of unpaid bills. I suspect by this stage most tenanted publicans in Ireland are considering doing the same thing.

end of the road

hynesie08 wrote: »

What other industry has had to completely change how they operate in order to be allowed reopen?? Do gyms have to sell food? Did Penneys have to kick you out after 1h45?

Pubs aren't open because they haven't been given the same opportunities....

gymns and clothes shops to my knowledge don't sell alcohol and don't allow it to be drunk on the premisys, so are not comparable to pubs.

Justin Credible Darts

PommieBast wrote: »

Those figures sound about right to me. I suspect of those that do reopen a lot will be under new management.


My uncle owns a pub in the UK and the previous tenant did a runner leaving a load of unpaid bills. I suspect by this stage most tenanted publicans in Ireland are considering doing the same thing.

I saw it posted on here how some publicans are getting 700 quid a week, if that is true some are happy to be closed.


I know of a pub in cork city, where the property belongs to the owner, pub does not open til 6 in the evening, no staff, bar the owner, with their partner doing one shift, and only a handful of regulars, all be it seasoned drinkers.


that owner might be just as well off at home, and the option to sell the premises in prime real estate an option later if needed.



All these pubs the people on here are crying about, these so called quiet spots, were almost all on the last legs.
The busier ones would be busy if they opened.

hynesie08

end of the road wrote: »

gymns and clothes shops to my knowledge don't sell alcohol and don't allow it to be drunk on the premisys, so are not comparable to pubs.

And a lot of pubs don't sell food, so I ask again. What other industry has been told they can open if they change their business model??

end of the road

hynesie08 wrote: »

And a lot of pubs don't sell food, so I ask again. What other industry has been told they can open if they change their business model??

almost every business.

hynesie08

end of the road wrote: »

almost every business.

Give examples then? Were foot locker told they had to sell hardware because some shops sell both? Did the perfume shop have sell aspirin because boots do? How many had to change the type of business they are?

A one way system or queueing outside are not the same.....

end of the road

hynesie08 wrote: »

Give examples then? Were foot locker told they had to sell hardware because some shops sell both? Did the perfume shop have sell aspirin because boots do? How many had to change the type of business they are?

A one way system or queueing outside are not the same.....

they are in my view.
some businesses have to implement partitioning as well to make things work.

MrStuffins

Great news guys!

I went to the pub tonight.

After reading loads about the pubs being closed, turns out the one I was at this evening was open.

Had many pints of Guinness and, may I say, the pints were delicious.

Looking forward to more pints in that, or another, pub soon!