Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

thelad95 · 27-07-2020 03:00PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

We're far from the laughing stock of Europe, that honour probably goes to Spain at the moment as there cases spiral out of control all the while trying to attract more and more tourists because their economy is nearly entirely propped up on tourism.

Onesea · 27-07-2020 03:06PM

thelad95 wrote: »

We're far from the laughing stock of Europe, that honour probably goes to Spain at the moment as there cases spiral out of control all the while trying to attract more and more tourists because their economy is nearly entirely propped up on tourism.

Is the death rate spiraling out of control or is it just the case detections?
Mentioned earlier if it's not the old getting 5his virus the outcomes are vastly different as shown by all stats.

Charles Babbage · 27-07-2020 03:08PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

It won’t work, they’re on about giving schools prefabs to help split classrooms. I wouldn’t think that’s the best idea going into winter. You want to stop kids getting bugs/flu like illnesses then you just go back to normal, have sanitizer everywhere and they need to wash their hands before and after every class

Has everything in the last 4 months passed over your head? Washing their hands will certainly help with touch points on doors and objects but washing their hands will not itself stop infection if they do not maintain social distancing. There are many overcrowded classrooms in Ireland, something we have permitted for years and which is now going to bite us big time.

Onesea wrote: »

Is the death rate spiraling out of control or is it just the case detections?
Mentioned earlier if it's not the old getting 5his virus the outcomes are vastly different as shown by all stats.

You do not want it spiralling at all, as once it starts it gets out of control. Ireland has a steady rate, that should be the objective.
Do you expect 5 year olds to isolate themselves?

ChelseaRentBoy · 27-07-2020 03:09PM

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Onesea · 27-07-2020 03:14PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

The past days have recorded deaths of 4,4,5 people. So by your information the death rate will massively increase in 14 days time right?

Onesea · 27-07-2020 03:16PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Has everything in the last 4 months passed over your head? Washing their hands will certainly help with touch points on doors and objects but washing their hands will not itself stop infection if they do not maintain social distancing. There are many overcrowded classrooms in Ireland, something we have permitted for years and which is now going to bite us big time.

You do not want it spiralling at all, as once it starts it gets out of control. Ireland has a steady rate, that should be the objective.
Do you expect 5 year olds to isolate themselves?

I have two children both back in kindergarten since April. One is 6 the other is 3.
Scandinavia for ya

paw patrol · 27-07-2020 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

while I agree with the theme of your point about the discrepancy in rules and directives.
The school restrictions is a joke in that the kids are playing with each other at the moment and over in each others houses.
The kids should not be separated by screens or anything, the fear instilled in that carry on will be damaging to some kids.

27-07-2020 04:18PM

paw patrol wrote: »

while I agree with the theme of your point about the discrepancy in rules and directives.
The school restrictions is a joke in that the kids are playing with each other at the moment and over in each others houses.
The kids should not be separated by screens or anything, the fear instilled in that carry on will be damaging to some kids.

Sorry, I probably didn't explain myself well.

I want the kids to go back to school as normal without masks or screens etc.

And that should be in line with public health advise at this stage.

At this point, 1M social distancing should be the only restriction in place.
There is no reason to keep schools, pubs or any other business closed.
There is no reason to be wearing masks either.

It's the public health advise that should change.

FintanMcluskey · 27-07-2020 04:37PM

Professor of doom was back on newstalk earlier.

He reckon's stats are emerging that flu deaths are way down this year in many countries.

Because of masks seemingly.

Not to do with the reclassification of deaths of vulnerable patients to Covid death's of course.

paw patrol · 27-07-2020 04:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry, I probably didn't explain myself well.

I want the kids to go back to school as normal without masks or screens etc.

And that should be in line with public health advise at this stage.

At this point, 1M social distancing should be the only restriction in place.
There is no reason to keep schools, pubs or any other business closed.
There is no reason to be wearing masks either.

It's the public health advise that should change.

tbh I kinda thought that was what you are saying.
I think we're on the same page given your previous posts

stephenjmcd · 27-07-2020 04:43PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Issue appears to be in Antwerp where 47% of the cases in the last week have been reported.

Belgian government reducing the numbers allowed to gather together. Local restrictions also put in place regarding groups and increased contact tracing

FintanMcluskey · 27-07-2020 04:53PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Cases in Belgium now massively increasing.

Seen that.

Proving the point that Covid is relatively harmless to those under 83.

The more the positive case increases the lower the CFR drops.

Its actually positive news.

Not that that's what you were posting that news for of course.

27-07-2020 07:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Professor of doom was back on newstalk earlier.

He reckon's stats are emerging that flu deaths are way down this year in many countries.

Because of masks seemingly.

Not to do with the reclassification of deaths of vulnerable patients to Covid death's of course.

Do you think it is at all possible the rate of flu infections may be reduced through the same measures used to prevent the spread of COVID? Or magically flu, a less infectious virus, is still spreading at its normal rate?

27-07-2020 07:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Seen that.

Proving the point that Covid is relatively harmless to those under 83.

The more the positive case increases the lower the CFR drops.

Its actually positive news.

Not that that's what you were posting that news for of course.

Where do you get this harmless under 83 nonsense? Median age of death may the 83, which have of those who died are under 83, immediately disproving the point

FintanMcluskey · 27-07-2020 08:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think it is at all possible the rate of flu infections may be reduced through the same measures used to prevent the spread of COVID? Or magically flu, a less infectious virus, is still spreading at its normal rate?

Or the vulnerable that would have died due to influenza have died of Covid instead?

Something's gona get ya one way or another

No need to lock up the healthy

skelly22 · 27-07-2020 08:14PM

hmmm wrote: »

Rubbish, there's lots of ways to socially distance in schools. Alternate days, pods, smaller class sizes.

Again you're grasping at straws in your efforts to ruin this country.

One of the reasons we have held off on pubs (the "cowardice" as you say) is because we can only safely reopen schools when case numbers are low.

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

FintanMcluskey · 27-07-2020 08:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where do you get this harmless under 83 nonsense? Median age of death may the 83, which have of those who died are under 83, immediately disproving the point

I did say relatively harmless to those under 83.

The point I was making was its actually positive news to see a rise in case's in certain regions with no increase in death rate.

Proves its not as lethal as 1st thought by the celebrity doctor's and immunologist's, and treatment is improving considerably so hopefully the hysterical nonsence of "new normal" can fcuk off soon and normality will return

MickeyLeari · 27-07-2020 08:21PM

skelly22 wrote: »

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

Have you seen the way all those leaving very students keep 2 metres distance from each other while out and about? The exams would have been on this week - shows how correct the Govt were.

Penfailed · 27-07-2020 08:23PM

skelly22 wrote: »

Absolutely zero need for social distancing in schools, as can be clearly evidenced by the fact that kids have been playing together for months now with zero social distancing and zero consequence. It's clear they couldn't catch the "virus" even if they tried.

Why have you put the word 'virus' in quotation marks? Are you one of those that doesn't think it's real?

As a side note, July provision has been going on in the local school with zero social distancing between the kids, between kids and teachers or even between teachers. I don't really see any reason why schools shouldn't open in September.

skelly22 · 27-07-2020 08:37PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why have you put the word 'virus' in quotation marks? Are you one of those that doesn't think it's real?

As a side note, July provision has been going on in the local school with zero social distancing between the kids, between kids and teachers or even between teachers. I don't really see any reason why schools shouldn't open in September.

The virus might as well not exist amongst school kids. There's absolutely nothing to suggest not re-opening schools in September should even be up for discussion. That said, I don't think they will re-open.

Assetbacked · 27-07-2020 10:20PM

There's the most recent breakdown of hospitalisations and deaths between the different age groups relative to total confirmed cases in Ireland.

I don't even need to point out that estimates are that the actual number of infections is many multiples of the official recorded positive tests (meaning even less deadly than the official data suggests), because the data in this screenshot says it all about the virus and who we need to protect.

Assetbacked · 27-07-2020 10:40PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I did say relatively harmless to those under 83.

The point I was making was its actually positive news to see a rise in case's in certain regions with no increase in death rate.

Proves its not as lethal as 1st thought by the celebrity doctor's and immunologist's, and treatment is improving considerably so hopefully the hysterical nonsence of "new normal" can fcuk off soon and normality will return[/QUOTE]

No way. The new normal is going to be here for a long time to come. Best for you that you accept it.

See post above and read the data.

John O.Groats · 27-07-2020 10:40PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I did say relatively harmless to those under 83.

The point I was making was its actually positive news to see a rise in case's in certain regions with no increase in death rate.

Proves its not as lethal as 1st thought by the celebrity doctor's and immunologist's, and treatment is improving considerably so hopefully the hysterical nonsence of "new normal" can fcuk off soon and normality will return

No way. The new normal is going to be here for a long time to come. Best for you that you accept it.

28-07-2020 05:09AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

No way. The new normal is going to be here for a long time to come. Best for you that you accept it.

A vaccine will be a long time coming. IF EVER!!

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 06:00AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

A vaccine will be a long time coming. IF EVER!!

You'd want to tell all the companies in phase 3 trials that they're wasting their time so.

Vaccine looks very promising for partial roll out by year end to priority groups.

I suggest you do some research into the current trials on going and the results so far.

28-07-2020 06:15AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You'd want to tell all the companies in phase 3 trials that they're wasting their time so.

Vaccine looks very promising for partial roll out by year end to priority groups.

I suggest you do some research into the current trials on going and the results so far.

I know. I just had to give the line that has to legally follow the phrase “new normal”.

stephenjmcd · 28-07-2020 06:19AM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I know. I just had to give the line that has to legally follow the phrase “new normal”.

'New Normal' quite possibly one of the most annoying phrases to come out of this given there's nothing normal about it

FintanMcluskey · 28-07-2020 08:18AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You'd want to tell all the companies in phase 3 trials that they're wasting their time so.

Vaccine looks very promising for partial roll out by year end to priority groups.

I suggest you do some research into the current trials on going and the results so far.

How do you safely speed up field trials?

The quickest ever was 4 years I think, for SAR's, with an 11% CFR.

Can 3 women have 1 baby in 3 month's?

28-07-2020 08:53AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You'd want to tell all the companies in phase 3 trials that they're wasting their time so.

Vaccine looks very promising for partial roll out by year end to priority groups.

I suggest you do some research into the current trials on going and the results so far.

Vaccines will chip away at the virus, as will treatments, but it won’t be a panacea. We still have measles outbreaks and no COVID vaccine is expected to be anywhere near as effective as the measles vaccine. There are still questions around whether those vaccinated can still spread the virus and how long it will be effective for. There is hope that it, along with treatments, will improve the situation, but we aren’t getting back to normal any time soon. We will all be wearing masks for years (forever, perhaps) and what it means for our personal interaction, even with a vaccine, is still completely unknown.

This is worth a listen this morning. A balanced review of where we are with the vaccines

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/jul/28/will-we-ever-achieve-immunity-from-covid-19-podcast?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

gral6 · 28-07-2020 09:03AM

What a ****ing joke.
People on PUP are gonna have 203 euro by April, they lost their jobs because of incompetent governement.
When they were working, they booked their holidays. Now, these people like slaves, they are supposed to actively look for the jobs, which government took from them, they are not supposed to leave their country because their PUP would be withdrawn by the same government which made them redundant.

Also, these people are supposed to happily applaud to the cabinet of ministers because they are taking a pay cut of 10% from their huge salaries. What a useless bunch of hypocrites this government is !!!

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Comments

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings