Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Captain_Crash · 26-07-2020 04:31PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

On the Aer Lingus point, they should not get a cent from the Irish government as they are no longer an Irish owned company.

They’re an Irish company just as much as any other company registered here so should be able to avail of the same stimulus packages the government are offering. The nationality of the company’s parent group has absolutely no relevance

“Aer Lingus Limited is a private company limited by shares and registered in Ireland.
Company Number 9215.
Registered Office at Dublin Airport, Dublin, Ireland.
VAT Registration number: IE9L40507W”

Blut2 · 26-07-2020 05:00PM

Aer Lingus have 4000+ Irish staff. And pay millions every year in taxes. Along with providing the obvious tourism flights for visitors to Ireland they also provide vital business connectivity to places like California for all our tech companies, and cargo for lots of other businesses. When the government needed PPE equipment during the crisis Aer Lingus flew 259 flights from Dublin to Beijing[1] to supply the Irish state urgently with them.

They're far more vital to the state than most people realize.

[1]https://www.thejournal.ie/ppe-final-flight-aer-lingus-covid-19-5134647-Jun2020/

completedit · 26-07-2020 07:41PM

Can someone tell me where these house parties are happening? Asking for a friend.

26-07-2020 07:46PM

Some amount of nordies around this weekend.

statesaver · 26-07-2020 08:39PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Some amount of nordies around this weekend.

And ?

26-07-2020 08:47PM

statesaver wrote: »

And ?

Some personal responsibility’s still required from people. They could do their weekending in their own hotels/holiday spots for the time being.

statesaver · 26-07-2020 08:50PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Some personal responsibility’s still required from people. They could do their weekending in their own hotels/holiday spots for the time being.

So tell people in Dublin to stay in Dublin and not travel ' down the country ' since most cases of Covid are in Dublin.

Penfailed · 26-07-2020 09:34PM

completedit wrote: »

Can someone tell me where these house parties are happening? Asking for a friend.

House parties aren't really a great idea...

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-37-test-positive-for-covid-following-karaoke-party-held-at-limavady-house-39398977.html

26-07-2020 09:43PM

Be interesting to see what the plan is for schools tomorrow. With just a few weeks to go, there is no room for error.

And rumours that school buses won’t be running aren’t a great start.

Santy2015 · 26-07-2020 10:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Be interesting to see what the plan is for schools tomorrow. With just a few weeks to go, there is no room for error.

And rumours that school buses won’t be running aren’t a great start.

That would be madness. School buses are essential. How else will some kids get to school? Has to be the most idiotic plan I’ve heard. Norma Foley is out of her depth

Assetbacked · 26-07-2020 10:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Be interesting to see what the plan is for schools tomorrow. With just a few weeks to go, there is no room for error.

And rumours that school buses won’t be running aren’t a great start.

5 weeks out. School openings has become the D Day for reopening. With such cowardice with pubs and irrational social distancing with normal businesses I would be shocked if schools go back. Why? Social distancing dies once schools go back. There is absolutely no chance of social distancing in schools once they're sanctioned to go back, but the reality is that those of school going age have not been social distancing for weeks or even months at this stage. It just means the lack of social distancing will be government sanctioned.

That's why I think schools won't go back as it means the government signing off on no social distancing anymore. If they do go back, the only way to do it is to acknowledge that social distancing is over. In 5 weeks, is this likely? Not really.

Santy2015 · 26-07-2020 10:12PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

5 weeks out. School openings has become the D Day for reopening. With such cowardice with pubs and irrational social distancing with normal businesses I would be shocked if schools go back. Why? Social distancing dies once schools go back. There is absolutely no chance of social distancing in schools once they're sanctioned to go back, but the reality is that those of school going age have not been social distancing for weeks or even months at this stage. It just means the lack fo social distancing will be government sanctioned.

That's why I think schools won't go back as it means the government signing off on no social distancing anymore. If they do go back, the only way to do it is to acknoedge that social distancing is over. In 5 weeks, is this likely? Not really.

It won’t work, they’re on about giving schools prefabs to help split classrooms. I wouldn’t think that’s the best idea going into winter. You want to stop kids getting bugs/flu like illnesses then you just go back to normal, have sanitizer everywhere and they need to wash their hands before and after every class

hmmm · 26-07-2020 10:15PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

5 weeks out. School openings has become the D Day for reopening. With such cowardice with pubs and irrational social distancing with normal businesses I would be shocked if schools go back. Why? Social distancing dies once schools go back.

Rubbish, there's lots of ways to socially distance in schools. Alternate days, pods, smaller class sizes.

Again you're grasping at straws in your efforts to ruin this country.

One of the reasons we have held off on pubs (the "cowardice" as you say) is because we can only safely reopen schools when case numbers are low.

Assetbacked · 26-07-2020 10:23PM

hmmm wrote: »

Rubbish, there's lots of ways to socially distance in schools. Alternate days, pods, smaller class sizes.

Again you're grasping at straws in your efforts to ruin this country.

One of the reasons we have held off on pubs (the "cowardice" as you say) is because we can only safely reopen schools when case numbers are low.

Jesus christ, have you been out and about in a major town or city the last 3 months? Did you see a few photos online and think we'll undo our progress in a few weeks? Do you have kids? House parties, daytime meetings in parks, by the beach etc have been happening for weeks among young people.

I take my lunch in Merrion Square in Dublin for the past month, I've noticed a creche or young school back the last week. All of the kids running around, tugging and playing each with other. It just doesn't happen, social distancing, among young people.

hmmm · 26-07-2020 10:25PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

All of the kids running around, tugging and playing each with other. It just doesn't happen, social distancing, among young people.

Thankfully smarter people than yourself are working on this problem - worldwide.

As for your hopes that this will "end social distancing", I'm afraid you'll have to find some other hope.

Assetbacked · 26-07-2020 10:27PM

hmmm wrote: »

Thankfully smarter people than yourself are working on this problem - worldwide.

As for your hopes that this will "end social distancing", I'm afraid you'll have to find some other hope.

Hopes? I'm just pointing out my observation that teens and kids do not give a **** so if schools are back with pods and prefabs, that's purely for insurance and ass covering by the government, as the kids do not care at all about social distancing.

thelad95 · 27-07-2020 10:29AM

In my estate all the kids have been playing happily with each other on the green since this began, the Gardaí often do laps of the estate and couldn't care less that there's no social distancing amongst the kids.

Splitting days is just disjointed and won't work. Space the desks out as best as can be done and if kids play with each other outside at lunch time, so be it. As I said many of them have been doing so for months on end anyway.

the corpo · 27-07-2020 10:32AM

thelad95 wrote: »

In my estate all the kids have been playing happily with each other on the green since this began, the Gardaí often do laps of the estate and couldn't care less that there's no social distancing amongst the kids.

Outdoor transmission barely exists.

Indoor transmission is what I, as a parent, am worried about.

Jimbob1977 · 27-07-2020 10:40AM

I'm expecting teachers to strike in September

ASTI have been setting out their stall

average_runner · 27-07-2020 10:51AM

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I'm expecting teachers to strike in September

ASTI have been setting out their stall

That would be a very big own goal

skelly22 · 27-07-2020 12:00PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

We did run behind other places by a couple of weeks. It may not have been "really bad" here, but it wasn't great. Our restrictions were not as harsh as a consequence, perhaps if they had been harsher they would have ended sooner.

Restrictions were far harsher in places like Spain where its citizens are far more used to fascist rule. My Spanish sister-in-law seems over the moon that she's allowed take her mask off while at the beach.

27-07-2020 12:10PM

The government have actually created a very undesirable situation for themselves and the situation with the schools is going to be evidence of that. Some of the restrictions still in place today:

Phase 4 of the reopening is not able to go ahead until at least 10th August (Suspect it will be longer)
2 metres social distance to be maintained
Face coverings to be made mandatory in shops and on public transport

The government themselves are not comfortable to sit in the Dail.

Now they want the schools to reopen without following the health advise in place.
No social distancing at all for younger kids. 1M for the older kids. No masks mandatory etc.
The master plan seems to be take some furniture out of the rooms to make some space!!!
It is not unreasonable at all for parents, teachers and pupils to be very concerned about returning and been told to ignore health advise.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

facehugger99 · 27-07-2020 12:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You can't have your cake and eat it. If its not safe to go into a shop and buy a choc ice without a face covering, how the f*ck can it be safe for a kid to sit in a classroom all day?

It will be crunch-time when the schools reopen. The choice will be either to face-down the hysteria-brigade or flush children's education down the toilet.

The outcome will depend on what's likely to result in the least amount of blow-back for the Government - this has been the primary driver of the responses to the virus from the start.

Elmer Blooker · 27-07-2020 01:06PM

the corpo wrote: »

Outdoor transmission barely exists.

Yes but this is no ordinary virus. It seems to have the ability to infect those who attend outdoor Sinn Fein funerals, it also seems to infect those who climb a mountain called Croagh Patrick.
A few months ago during the long spell of fine weather it also infected those who travelled 2,001 meters to the seaside - no ordinary virus this!

fleet_admiral · 27-07-2020 01:08PM

Word this morning that pubs will be pushed back until after schools reopen.

PTH2009 · 27-07-2020 01:22PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Word this morning that pubs will be pushed back until after schools reopen.

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

joeguevara · 27-07-2020 01:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

they should of just closed pubs indefinitely instead of have the Aug 10th date

Frustrating and no promise they will open in September. Cowards in the government, laughing stock of Europe

Who is laughing at Ireland in Europe?

27-07-2020 02:33PM

Of course Ireland are a laughing stock. We are allowing flights in from America and it is pretty obvious that we are not even bothered to make a call to check that people are isolating. And some civil servants are getting paid a full salary to sit at home or work 2 day weeks.

It is pretty obvious that our "very good plan" for reopening schools is basically just to remove some furniture from rooms and not to bother too much with social distancing.

Probably the only country in the world to have pubs closed going into a 6th month now.

And we only have 10 people in hospital in the whole country.

ixoy · 27-07-2020 02:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And we only have 10 people in hospital in the whole country.

The fact we've only 10 people in hospital and a, per capita, very low rate of infection, no mandatory wearing of masks in outdoor settings or the like, means that I imagine there's a fair few countries that are quite envious!

Arghus · 27-07-2020 02:56PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Who is laughing at Ireland in Europe?

Absolutely nobody.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings