Covid Holiday supplement only available to those who pay tax and USC

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 23-07-2020 6:32pm #1

A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter. It's not different to economic vetos and discrimination encouraged on certain members of German society during the Nuremberg Laws.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 23-07-2020 6:33pm

Typically I see holidays as being a break from work. Going by that if you're unemployed you're always on holiday.

elperello · 23-07-2020 6:34pm

In the OP well done.

jam_mac_jam · 23-07-2020 6:36pm

Maybe Nazi Germany is a slight exaggeration?

Deeper Blue · 23-07-2020 6:37pm

Correct decision

JeffKenna · 23-07-2020 6:37pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Maybe Nazi Germany is a slight exaggeration?

Unemployed in Nazi Germany were sent to the camps so I'd say so.

Atlantic Dawn · 23-07-2020 6:38pm

Spanish resorts will be happy.

jam_mac_jam · 23-07-2020 6:39pm

What a waste of money. Just give whatever it's going to cost in tax breaks directly to hotels or restaurants if you have to do it.

capefear · 23-07-2020 6:39pm

But that’s how all tax credits work, you can only get a refund of a tax credit if you have paid tax.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 23-07-2020 6:41pm

capefear wrote: »

But that’s how all tax credits work, you can only get a refund of a tax credit if you have paid tax.

A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

questionmark? · 23-07-2020 6:42pm

Tax payers offered small tax break to spend in businesses which pay tax to help said business and its employees that pay tax. What's the issue here exactly?

Triangle · 23-07-2020 6:42pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter.

Tbh, with the level of righteous anger, you can have my tax break too. I think you need it more.

JeffKenna · 23-07-2020 6:44pm

It's a really good idea in that it keeps money in the Irish economy.

Darc19 · 23-07-2020 6:44pm

It's a TAX credit.

If you don't pay tax, how do you expect a credit.

For those earning under €25,000, Ireland has one of the lowest income tax in the world.

And at about €18,000, it's one of the highest tax free allowances in the world.

Probably best to reduce this to €10,000 (UK level) and then you can claim tax credits

Darc19 · 23-07-2020 6:45pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Spanish resorts will be happy.

Have they moved to Ireland?

23-07-2020 6:46pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter.

But their Christmas bonus will probably equate to more than the tax credit.

Fairs fair an all that.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 6:46pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

Why? Could they afford to add to the voucher to have the holiday and will they add to the boost to the sector that it's designed to achieve?

Zaph · 23-07-2020 6:48pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter. It's not different to economic vetos and discrimination encouraged on certain members of German society during the Nuremberg Laws.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 23-07-2020 6:49pm

Godwin's Law invoked in the first post. Is this a new record?

23-07-2020 6:49pm

try less hard op, the audience should see you sweat but not actually sh1t yourself is what olivier recommends

Ronaldinho · 23-07-2020 7:07pm

Are pubs included?

So buy 4 pints get 1 free effectively?

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 23-07-2020 7:07pm

Would a voucher only valid in Ireland and not exchangeable for cash be fairer?

elperello · 23-07-2020 7:13pm

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Are pubs included?

So buy 4 pints get 1 free effectively?

No receipts for drink allowed in the scheme.

Enjoy that lemonade with your steak.

Deeper Blue · 23-07-2020 7:15pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Would a voucher only valid in Ireland and not exchangeable for cash be fairer?

If it was given only to people that pay taxes then yes

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! · 23-07-2020 7:25pm

El Sueño wrote: »

If it was given only to people that pay taxes then yes

What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

Pentecost · 23-07-2020 7:27pm

elperello wrote: »

No receipts for drink allowed in the scheme.

Enjoy that lemonade with your steak.

That is something that's ridiculous.

Necro · 23-07-2020 7:31pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote:

What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

The fact that you pay tax on your income. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

Deeper Blue · 23-07-2020 7:45pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

You pay tax.

The non taxpayers get more than enough free money as it is but that's another story for another day.

JeffKenna · 23-07-2020 7:47pm

Pentecost wrote: »

That is something that's ridiculous.

All you have to do is get a bottle of wine and ask the hotel to put it on the receipt as a main course. Seen it happen loads on business lunches.

screamer · 23-07-2020 7:52pm

Oh lads, all the outrage. Now put your brain in gear and think, really hard why they set it up like this????? Give up? I’ll tell you
A tax credit is not money they hand you out, it’s on paper. Thus, it won’t be paid back to anyone in a lump, it will be like a tenner less a month taken from your taxes. In this way, it’ll cost them very little and there’s no real admin to it and it’s stretched over 12 months for them to refund.
Now if they were to give it back in a cash refund so everyone could have it, imagine the money they’d need and the resources to admin it....... it’s nothing to do with employed or unemployed it’s the cheapest easiest vehicle to deliver this with

23-07-2020 7:55pm

Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?

Fann Linn · 23-07-2020 7:57pm

Should rule out a sizable number of a certain ethnic minority.
More of this please.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 8:09pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

It's a tax credit incentive to stimulate spending. Those with the money to spend are the ones they need to encourage to spend it.

And time the Tax payers got some payback. Those on SW and allowances get the Christmas bonus.

elperello · 23-07-2020 8:24pm

Pentecost wrote: »

That is something that's ridiculous.

Yes you would imagine we didn't have an indigenous beer and spirits industry which utilises agricultural output and provides employment.

Maybe an element of anti drink at play?

Tefral · 23-07-2020 8:28pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

They should be out looking for a job not taking a holiday!

Right call and fair balls for them for looking after working people.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 8:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?

They didnt read the Nazi playbook on that one.
Even the unemployed will benefit.
I am as outraged about this as the OP was about the staycation credit.

breezy1985 · 23-07-2020 8:35pm

elperello wrote: »

Yes you would imagine we didn't have an indigenous beer and spirits industry which utilises agricultural output and provides employment.

Maybe an element of anti drink at play?

Theres a whole list of things that are always exempt from gov vouchers and the like such as fags and oddly enough some baby formula.

Despite being on the dole myself Im more than happy to see the workers get something back

iamwhoiam · 23-07-2020 8:36pm

Tefral wrote: »

They should be out looking for a job not taking a holiday!

Right call and fair balls for them for looking after working people.

What about pensioners ?

splinter65 · 23-07-2020 8:37pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

The vouchers get sold to buy booze and drugs and fags.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 23-07-2020 8:38pm

Seems fair, the unwaged already get €203 a week for food from the government for free. You're begruding people with jobs €125 a year for the same?

breezy1985 · 23-07-2020 8:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?

Some big business might pass it on which will encourage spending but most SMEs will need the 2% to help keep themselves afloat so hopefully it helps everyone in a way

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 8:43pm

splinter65 wrote: »

The vouchers get sold to buy booze and drugs and fags.

Like food stamps in the states... I will give you 50 cents on the dollar.

Polar101 · 23-07-2020 8:44pm

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

Well, at least you can't be sent to the Russian front, since Russia's not on the green list.

elperello · 23-07-2020 8:44pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

Theres a whole list of things that are always exempt from gov vouchers and the like such as fags and oddly enough some baby formula.

Despite being on the dole myself Im more than happy to see the workers get something back

This is not a voucher scheme.

Cigarettes cannot be discounted by Irish law. Baby formula for under six month old infants cannot be discounted under EU legislation.

Maybe we will eventually find out the rationale for excluding drinks from this scheme.

Very fair of you considering there is nothing in it for you.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 8:44pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What about pensioners ?

A large % of pensioners pay tax and would benefit.

Those that don't can use the Christmas bonus.

Plus it's based ln a spend of at least €625: It's not a full rebate of costs.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 8:45pm

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What about pensioners ?

Some pensioners pay tax.
Some pensioners dont qualify for medical card but pay so little tax hardly worth claiming for medical expenses never mind this one!

suicide_circus · 23-07-2020 8:45pm

Yeah...Mary Lou was giving out that the tax credit wouldn't be available to a million low paid workers.

Yeah, because low paid workers pay very little in this country.

You can't pay very little tax AND expect access to all the tax credits.

odyssey06 · 23-07-2020 8:46pm

Polar101 wrote: »

Well, at least you can't be sent to the Russian front, since Russia's not on the green list.

Cough Baltic states Cough.

Vestiapx · 23-07-2020 8:46pm

Necro wrote: »

The fact that you pay tax on your income. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

I pay loads of tax. I will holiday at home this year but I'll be doing it before the kids have school. Who is this for ?

Fann Linn · 23-07-2020 8:47pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

Like food stamps in the states... I will give you 50 cents on the dollar.

Or butter vouchers back in the 80s.

Jim_Hodge · 23-07-2020 8:49pm

Vestiapx wrote: »

I pay loads of tax. I will holiday at home this year but I'll be doing it before the kids have school. Who is this for ?

It's for the hospitality trade out of season. Won't suit me either as we'll take a break before September.

Covid Holiday supplement only available to those who pay tax and USC

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