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Covid Holiday supplement only available to those who pay tax and USC

  • 23-07-2020 5:32pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭


    A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation


    https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

    They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

    I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter. It's not different to economic vetos and discrimination encouraged on certain members of German society during the Nuremberg Laws.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,029 ✭✭✭um7y1h83ge06nx


    Typically I see holidays as being a break from work. Going by that if you're unemployed you're always on holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    In the OP well done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Maybe Nazi Germany is a slight exaggeration?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Correct decision


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Maybe Nazi Germany is a slight exaggeration?

    Unemployed in Nazi Germany were sent to the camps so I'd say so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,763 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Spanish resorts will be happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    What a waste of money. Just give whatever it's going to cost in tax breaks directly to hotels or restaurants if you have to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 783 ✭✭✭capefear


    But that’s how all tax credits work, you can only get a refund of a tax credit if you have paid tax.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    capefear wrote: »
    But that’s how all tax credits work, you can only get a refund of a tax credit if you have paid tax.

    A voucher for everyone would be more fair.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Tax payers offered small tax break to spend in businesses which pay tax to help said business and its employees that pay tax. What's the issue here exactly?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Triangle


    A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation


    https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

    They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

    I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter.

    Tbh, with the level of righteous anger, you can have my tax break too. I think you need it more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    It's a really good idea in that it keeps money in the Irish economy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    It's a TAX credit.

    If you don't pay tax, how do you expect a credit.

    For those earning under €25,000, Ireland has one of the lowest income tax in the world.

    And at about €18,000, it's one of the highest tax free allowances in the world.

    Probably best to reduce this to €10,000 (UK level) and then you can claim tax credits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Spanish resorts will be happy.

    Have they moved to Ireland?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation


    https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

    They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

    I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter.

    But their Christmas bonus will probably equate to more than the tax credit.

    Fairs fair an all that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

    Why? Could they afford to add to the voucher to have the holiday and will they add to the boost to the sector that it's designed to achieve?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,352 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation


    https://www.thejournal.ie/staycation-spending-measures-5157989-Jul2020/

    They introduced it as a tax credit, so screw the unemployed.

    I earn 45k a year before anyone accuses me of being bitter. It's not different to economic vetos and discrimination encouraged on certain members of German society during the Nuremberg Laws.

    the-hyperbole-is-strong-in-this-one.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Godwin's Law invoked in the first post. Is this a new record?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    try less hard op, the audience should see you sweat but not actually sh1t yourself is what olivier recommends


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Ronaldinho


    Are pubs included?

    So buy 4 pints get 1 free effectively?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    Would a voucher only valid in Ireland and not exchangeable for cash be fairer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    Are pubs included?

    So buy 4 pints get 1 free effectively?

    No receipts for drink allowed in the scheme.

    Enjoy that lemonade with your steak.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Would a voucher only valid in Ireland and not exchangeable for cash be fairer?

    If it was given only to people that pay taxes then yes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!


    El Sueño wrote: »
    If it was given only to people that pay taxes then yes

    What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,881 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    elperello wrote: »
    No receipts for drink allowed in the scheme.

    Enjoy that lemonade with your steak.

    That is something that's ridiculous.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

    The fact that you pay tax on your income. It's not a hard concept to grasp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

    You pay tax.

    The non taxpayers get more than enough free money as it is but that's another story for another day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Pentecost wrote: »
    That is something that's ridiculous.

    All you have to do is get a bottle of wine and ask the hotel to put it on the receipt as a main course. Seen it happen loads on business lunches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭screamer


    Oh lads, all the outrage. Now put your brain in gear and think, really hard why they set it up like this????? Give up? I’ll tell you
    A tax credit is not money they hand you out, it’s on paper. Thus, it won’t be paid back to anyone in a lump, it will be like a tenner less a month taken from your taxes. In this way, it’ll cost them very little and there’s no real admin to it and it’s stretched over 12 months for them to refund.
    Now if they were to give it back in a cash refund so everyone could have it, imagine the money they’d need and the resources to admin it....... it’s nothing to do with employed or unemployed it’s the cheapest easiest vehicle to deliver this with


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Should rule out a sizable number of a certain ethnic minority.
    More of this please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    What makes me more entitled to it than my neighbour who might be unemployed? Or genuinely disabled?

    It's a tax credit incentive to stimulate spending. Those with the money to spend are the ones they need to encourage to spend it.

    And time the Tax payers got some payback. Those on SW and allowances get the Christmas bonus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Pentecost wrote: »
    That is something that's ridiculous.

    Yes you would imagine we didn't have an indigenous beer and spirits industry which utilises agricultural output and provides employment.

    Maybe an element of anti drink at play?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭Tefral


    A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

    They should be out looking for a job not taking a holiday!

    Right call and fair balls for them for looking after working people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,025 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?

    They didnt read the Nazi playbook on that one.
    Even the unemployed will benefit.
    I am as outraged about this as the OP was about the staycation credit.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,230 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    elperello wrote: »
    Yes you would imagine we didn't have an indigenous beer and spirits industry which utilises agricultural output and provides employment.

    Maybe an element of anti drink at play?

    Theres a whole list of things that are always exempt from gov vouchers and the like such as fags and oddly enough some baby formula.

    Despite being on the dole myself Im more than happy to see the workers get something back


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Tefral wrote: »
    They should be out looking for a job not taking a holiday!

    Right call and fair balls for them for looking after working people.

    What about pensioners ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    A voucher for everyone would be more fair.

    The vouchers get sold to buy booze and drugs and fags.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Seems fair, the unwaged already get €203 a week for food from the government for free. You're begruding people with jobs €125 a year for the same?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,230 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Says VAT is being reduced too from 23% to 21%. Is that really going to encourage people to spend?

    Some big business might pass it on which will encourage spending but most SMEs will need the 2% to help keep themselves afloat so hopefully it helps everyone in a way


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,025 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    splinter65 wrote: »
    The vouchers get sold to buy booze and drugs and fags.

    Like food stamps in the states... I will give you 50 cents on the dollar.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,984 ✭✭✭Polar101


    A disgraceful move. Reminiscent of Nazi Germany segregation

    Well, at least you can't be sent to the Russian front, since Russia's not on the green list.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,129 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Theres a whole list of things that are always exempt from gov vouchers and the like such as fags and oddly enough some baby formula.

    Despite being on the dole myself Im more than happy to see the workers get something back

    This is not a voucher scheme.

    Cigarettes cannot be discounted by Irish law. Baby formula for under six month old infants cannot be discounted under EU legislation.

    Maybe we will eventually find out the rationale for excluding drinks from this scheme.

    Very fair of you considering there is nothing in it for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    What about pensioners ?

    A large % of pensioners pay tax and would benefit.

    Those that don't can use the Christmas bonus.

    Plus it's based ln a spend of at least €625: It's not a full rebate of costs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,025 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    What about pensioners ?

    Some pensioners pay tax.
    Some pensioners dont qualify for medical card but pay so little tax hardly worth claiming for medical expenses never mind this one!

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Yeah...Mary Lou was giving out that the tax credit wouldn't be available to a million low paid workers.

    Yeah, because low paid workers pay very little in this country.

    You can't pay very little tax AND expect access to all the tax credits.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,025 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Well, at least you can't be sent to the Russian front, since Russia's not on the green list.

    Cough Baltic states Cough.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,206 ✭✭✭Vestiapx


    Necro wrote: »
    The fact that you pay tax on your income. It's not a hard concept to grasp.

    I pay loads of tax. I will holiday at home this year but I'll be doing it before the kids have school. Who is this for ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Like food stamps in the states... I will give you 50 cents on the dollar.



    Or butter vouchers back in the 80s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Vestiapx wrote: »
    I pay loads of tax. I will holiday at home this year but I'll be doing it before the kids have school. Who is this for ?

    It's for the hospitality trade out of season. Won't suit me either as we'll take a break before September.


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