How will schools be able to go back in September?

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:24AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Can you send me a link to a better report than the one I've seen? I don't see that they had travelled or that they were in work for a day. I'm reading BreakingNews.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:25AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think the point being made is that being a creche worker isn't the relevant point if the person actually picked it up abroad and not through their workplace. However it is relevant to where they pass it on.

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:30AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

Thanks. Although not specified if they were abroad, I'd be interested to know.

Big problem with this though:

Tusla issued a statement saying that registered providers of early years services are obliged to notify the agency within three working days of becoming aware of a notifiable incident, which includes the occurrence of specified infectious diseases, including Covid-19.

Why on earth they suggest 3 working days?? Wouldn't as soon as they're aware of a notifiable incident be far better???

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:30AM

Re the creche worker 2 points stand out to me 1. that she was asymptomatic that’s concerning and 2. She was picked up relatively quickly in testing which is good. Highlights the need for some firm of testing in schools.

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:31AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

I was responding in the context of having no information whatsoever if they had been in work since picking it up or not.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:37AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

I’m not surprised though. It’s a difficult situation to be in. If my child’s teacher tested positive on a Monday after testing negative the week before would I prefer the class to be sent home most definitely.
ETA from the other perspective If I tested positive on a Monday after testing negative the week before I would want my class to isolate no one wants to be responsible for a cluster.

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:38AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Thanks. Although not specified if they were abroad, I'd be interested to know.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/childcare-worker-with-covid-had-been-abroad-recently-39387181.html

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:39AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/childcare-worker-with-covid-had-been-abroad-recently-39387181.html

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:40AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

People are selfish. Human nature to just think about ones self.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:48AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

I think the gov need to be tougher on this - no non essential travel then a green list of 15 countries. It ‘s ambigous and allows people to convince themselves that they are ok to travel.

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:54AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I think the gov need to be tougher on this - no non essential travel then a green list of 15 countries. It ‘s ambigous and allows people to convince themselves that they are ok to travel.

Agreed, I think any holiday travel by air is irresponsible. Can't stop Irish citizens coming back into the country, sure, but mandatory isolation for 2 weeks would put a stop to lots of the carry on.

Mrsmum · 22-07-2020 11:27AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Agreed, I think any holiday travel by air is irresponsible. Can't stop Irish citizens coming back into the country, sure, but mandatory isolation for 2 weeks would put a stop to lots of the carry on.

I saw a guy being interviewed on tv and he was saying he was delighted he didn't have to self isolate after travelling home from his holiday in late Aug because that would mean his kids could go straight into school ! I mean that's what you're up against.

DSN · 22-07-2020 11:28AM

So person with no symptoms goes to work then I assume finds out she/he was in contact with a person who tested positive for Covid so goes for test does not return to work. Tests positive & informs her employer who inform all parents & staff.
I don't see anything wrong with this - isn't that what track & trace all about? I don't think a workplace has to be shut down because one staff member who was there for a day tested positive?? If parents don't want to send kids in then its up to them - they have been informed so can make their decision based on that.
Nobody knows for sure if they were abroad or not seems to be all speculation. Maybe they are friends with one of the construction workers or a family member healthcare professional who got it. Or else must have been at a house party & hooked up with one of the 1000s or american tourists running about the place!

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 11:32AM

DSN wrote: »

So person with no symptoms goes to work then I assume finds out she/he was in contact with a person who tested positive for Covid so goes for test does not return to work. Tests positive & informs her employer who inform all parents & staff.
I don't see anything wrong with this - isn't that what track & trace all about? I don't think a workplace has to be shut down because one staff member who was there for a day tested positive?? If parents don't want to send kids in then its up to them - they have been informed so can make their decision based on that.
Nobody knows for sure if they were abroad or not seems to be all speculation. Maybe they are friends with one of the construction workers or a family member healthcare professional who got it. Or else must have been at a house party & hooked up with one of the 1000s or american tourists running about the place!

They had returned from travel apparently.

DSN · 22-07-2020 11:39AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

They had returned from travel apparently.

'apparently' is right!
If that is the case then yes they were idiotic to head back into a workplace esp where it's impossible to socially distance, but I would not take those headlines as gospel either.

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 11:43AM

DSN wrote: »

'apparently' is right!
If that is the case then yes they were idiotic to head back into a workplace esp where it's impossible to socially distance, but I would not take those headlines as gospel either.

Ya agreed, and the report of TUSLA and the HSE not wanting to comment just fuels speculation- how difficult would it be to actually just say something like, "someone tested positive and all contact tracing has been completed". Plus the media need to be far more transparent, there's a lot of half stories going around and it does nothing but encourage panic.

mirrorwall14 · 22-07-2020 12:56PM

€168 million package for further education. And still no finalised guidance for schools

History Queen · 22-07-2020 01:02PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

€168 million package for further education. And still no finalised guidance for schools

At least it shows a willingness to fund education *clutches at straws*

mirrorwall14 · 22-07-2020 01:04PM

History Queen wrote: »

At least it shows a willingness to fund education *clutches at straws*

Oddly enough I’m starting to feel a little bit more positive about supports now. They can’t fund crèches and further education and not fund schools, parents would be up in arms. And I’d be hopeful that the guidance might actually issue before fri 31st because I’m not sure she can stem the tide of outrage that’s going to build in the media by the weekend with schools still waiting on guidance and third level already having theirs

History Queen · 22-07-2020 01:08PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Oddly enough I’m starting to feel a little bit more positive about supports now. They can’t fund crèches and further education and not fund schools, parents would be up in arms. And I’d be hopeful that the guidance might actually issue before fri 31st because I’m not sure she can stem the tide of outrage that’s going to build in the media by the weekend with schools still waiting on guidance and third level already having theirs

Ya I was being a smart alec with my earlier comment but genuinely I'm relieved to see funding and guidelines are being issued to our related sectors. Efficiency isn't something the Department are known for but hopefully whatever they issue is comprehensive and allows schools to open in as safe a manner as possible for students and staff without too much disruption.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 01:14PM

Think it’s a positive sign - can hardly fund creches and higher ed without funding schools.

deckie66 · 22-07-2020 02:06PM

So the govt plan for Higher Education has been published and requires 2 metre distancing at lectures which effectively means no lectures in universities for the forthcoming year

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

Assuming that there is no difference between a group of 19 year old undergrads at UCD and 18 year old leaving Certs at secondary school, is there any hope of school as we know it resuming?

Smacruairi · 22-07-2020 02:19PM

deckie66 wrote: »

So the govt plan for Higher Education has been published and requires 2 metre distancing at lectures which effectively means no lectures in universities for the forthcoming year

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

Assuming that there is no difference between a group of 19 year old undergrads at UCD and 18 year old leaving Certs at secondary school, is there any hope of school as we know it resuming?

Interesting. So max 2 hours in the same place, and distancing of 1-2m there. Mentioning of staggering lectures. Safe to say that will be the guidelines given to schools, maybe with a bit more fluff around identifying local priorities etc.

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 02:22PM

Anyone else find it strange that 3rd level gets stuff before primary and secondary? You'd have thought that we would be of greater urgency seeing as we are back alot earlier.

jrosen · 22-07-2020 02:23PM

Great to see some funding announced.

Schools cant functions with 2m social distance, 1m isn't really great either.

jrosen · 22-07-2020 02:24PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Anyone else find it strange that 3rd level gets stuff before primary and secondary? You'd have thought that we would be of greater urgency seeing as we are back alot earlier.

Maybe because of overseas students they needed to get their act together? We have a lot of students who pay alot of money to come here.

is_that_so · 22-07-2020 02:24PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Anyone else find it strange that 3rd level gets stuff before primary and secondary? You'd have thought that we would be of greater urgency seeing as we are back alot earlier.

Easier to deal with as it's adult education and it can quite happily continue with distance learning indefinitely.

grind gremlin · 22-07-2020 02:31PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Anyone else find it strange that 3rd level gets stuff before primary and secondary? You'd have thought that we would be of greater urgency seeing as we are back alot earlier.

Is it potentially to prepare people for announcements on schools? I’m guessing that a full return won’t be happening in Sept. Best guess is half in/ half at home.... the study from South Korea can’t be overlooked when planning for a return.

Purple Mountain · 22-07-2020 03:05PM

I'm very suspicious at this stage.
It's almost the last week in July and no plan is published.
Schools, parents, children are not prepared.
Principals and management should be in the process of putting in physical requirements in the school as laid down by any guidelines, nevermind drawing up and publishing the guidelines for parents and communicating these out.
I don't see there being enough time for all this before September.
To me, they're going to drop a bombshell saying schools won't reopen in September

22-07-2020 03:26PM

Yeah its just not looking good for schools at this point. They'll either remain closed or will have so much restrictions that it will be barely worth sending the kids in. They're hardly going to massively benefit from 2 half days a week.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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