How will schools be able to go back in September?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

Lillyfae wrote: »

Can you send me a link to a better report than the one I've seen? I don't see that they had travelled or that they were in work for a day. I'm reading BreakingNews.

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think the point being made is that being a creche worker isn't the relevant point if the person actually picked it up abroad and not through their workplace. However it is relevant to where they pass it on.

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0721/1154738-creche/

Thanks. Although not specified if they were abroad, I'd be interested to know.

Big problem with this though:

Tusla issued a statement saying that registered providers of early years services are obliged to notify the agency within three working days of becoming aware of a notifiable incident, which includes the occurrence of specified infectious diseases, including Covid-19.

Why on earth they suggest 3 working days?? Wouldn't as soon as they're aware of a notifiable incident be far better???

Re the creche worker 2 points stand out to me 1. that she was asymptomatic that’s concerning and 2. She was picked up relatively quickly in testing which is good. Highlights the need for some firm of testing in schools.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

I was responding in the context of having no information whatsoever if they had been in work since picking it up or not.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Where it is relevant is the response of some parents who have withdrawn their children because the facility wasn't shutdown.

I’m not surprised though. It’s a difficult situation to be in. If my child’s teacher tested positive on a Monday after testing negative the week before would I prefer the class to be sent home most definitely.
ETA from the other perspective If I tested positive on a Monday after testing negative the week before I would want my class to isolate no one wants to be responsible for a cluster.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/childcare-worker-with-covid-had-been-abroad-recently-39387181.html

Lillyfae wrote: »

Thanks. Although not specified if they were abroad, I'd be interested to know.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/childcare-worker-with-covid-had-been-abroad-recently-39387181.html

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

Lillyfae wrote: »

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

People are selfish. Human nature to just think about ones self.

Lillyfae wrote: »

They should absolutely not have been at work then.

This type of selfish behaviour puts everyone at risk.

I think the gov need to be tougher on this - no non essential travel then a green list of 15 countries. It ‘s ambigous and allows people to convince themselves that they are ok to travel.

lulublue22 wrote: »

I think the gov need to be tougher on this - no non essential travel then a green list of 15 countries. It ‘s ambigous and allows people to convince themselves that they are ok to travel.

Agreed, I think any holiday travel by air is irresponsible. Can't stop Irish citizens coming back into the country, sure, but mandatory isolation for 2 weeks would put a stop to lots of the carry on.

Mrsmum

Lillyfae wrote: »

Agreed, I think any holiday travel by air is irresponsible. Can't stop Irish citizens coming back into the country, sure, but mandatory isolation for 2 weeks would put a stop to lots of the carry on.

I saw a guy being interviewed on tv and he was saying he was delighted he didn't have to self isolate after travelling home from his holiday in late Aug because that would mean his kids could go straight into school ! I mean that's what you're up against.

DSN

So person with no symptoms goes to work then I assume finds out she/he was in contact with a person who tested positive for Covid so goes for test does not return to work. Tests positive & informs her employer who inform all parents & staff.
I don't see anything wrong with this - isn't that what track & trace all about? I don't think a workplace has to be shut down because one staff member who was there for a day tested positive?? If parents don't want to send kids in then its up to them - they have been informed so can make their decision based on that.
Nobody knows for sure if they were abroad or not seems to be all speculation. Maybe they are friends with one of the construction workers or a family member healthcare professional who got it. Or else must have been at a house party & hooked up with one of the 1000s or american tourists running about the place!

DSN wrote: »

So person with no symptoms goes to work then I assume finds out she/he was in contact with a person who tested positive for Covid so goes for test does not return to work. Tests positive & informs her employer who inform all parents & staff.
I don't see anything wrong with this - isn't that what track & trace all about? I don't think a workplace has to be shut down because one staff member who was there for a day tested positive?? If parents don't want to send kids in then its up to them - they have been informed so can make their decision based on that.
Nobody knows for sure if they were abroad or not seems to be all speculation. Maybe they are friends with one of the construction workers or a family member healthcare professional who got it. Or else must have been at a house party & hooked up with one of the 1000s or american tourists running about the place!

They had returned from travel apparently.

DSN

Lillyfae wrote: »

They had returned from travel apparently.

'apparently' is right!
If that is the case then yes they were idiotic to head back into a workplace esp where it's impossible to socially distance, but I would not take those headlines as gospel either.

DSN wrote: »

'apparently' is right!
If that is the case then yes they were idiotic to head back into a workplace esp where it's impossible to socially distance, but I would not take those headlines as gospel either.

Ya agreed, and the report of TUSLA and the HSE not wanting to comment just fuels speculation- how difficult would it be to actually just say something like, "someone tested positive and all contact tracing has been completed". Plus the media need to be far more transparent, there's a lot of half stories going around and it does nothing but encourage panic.

mirrorwall14

€168 million package for further education. And still no finalised guidance for schools

History Queen

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

€168 million package for further education. And still no finalised guidance for schools

At least it shows a willingness to fund education *clutches at straws*

mirrorwall14

History Queen wrote: »

At least it shows a willingness to fund education *clutches at straws*

Oddly enough I’m starting to feel a little bit more positive about supports now. They can’t fund crèches and further education and not fund schools, parents would be up in arms. And I’d be hopeful that the guidance might actually issue before fri 31st because I’m not sure she can stem the tide of outrage that’s going to build in the media by the weekend with schools still waiting on guidance and third level already having theirs

History Queen

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Oddly enough I’m starting to feel a little bit more positive about supports now. They can’t fund crèches and further education and not fund schools, parents would be up in arms. And I’d be hopeful that the guidance might actually issue before fri 31st because I’m not sure she can stem the tide of outrage that’s going to build in the media by the weekend with schools still waiting on guidance and third level already having theirs

Ya I was being a smart alec with my earlier comment but genuinely I'm relieved to see funding and guidelines are being issued to our related sectors. Efficiency isn't something the Department are known for but hopefully whatever they issue is comprehensive and allows schools to open in as safe a manner as possible for students and staff without too much disruption.

Think it’s a positive sign - can hardly fund creches and higher ed without funding schools.

deckie66

So the govt plan for Higher Education has been published and requires 2 metre distancing at lectures which effectively means no lectures in universities for the forthcoming year

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

Assuming that there is no difference between a group of 19 year old undergrads at UCD and 18 year old leaving Certs at secondary school, is there any hope of school as we know it resuming?

Smacruairi

deckie66 wrote: »

So the govt plan for Higher Education has been published and requires 2 metre distancing at lectures which effectively means no lectures in universities for the forthcoming year

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/a7d05-practical-guidance-for-further-and-higher-education-for-returning-to-on-site-activity-in-2020/

Assuming that there is no difference between a group of 19 year old undergrads at UCD and 18 year old leaving Certs at secondary school, is there any hope of school as we know it resuming?

Interesting. So max 2 hours in the same place, and distancing of 1-2m there. Mentioning of staggering lectures. Safe to say that will be the guidelines given to schools, maybe with a bit more fluff around identifying local priorities etc.