How will schools be able to go back in September?

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 09:29AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

This crÃ¨che situation is worrying, is there any cases of kids getting this thing?

There have been a few and there was mention of a syndrome arising from covid that affected children. However the general consensus seems that children are no where near as affected as adults in terms of picking up the virus. It’s difficult though to get clarity as there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about covid 19 in general.

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 09:31AM

lulublue22 wrote:

There have been a few and there was mention of a syndrome arising from covid that affected children. However the general consensus seems that children are no where near as affected as adults in terms of picking up the virus. Itâ€™s difficult though to get clarity as there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about covid 19 in general.

Forgot about that covid related syndrome, I'd be very concerned about sending kids back to school, it's a real mess

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 09:35AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Forgot about that covid related syndrome, I'd be very concerned about sending kids back to school, it's a real mess

As a parent it’s natural to worry. I’ve an asthmatic teenager myself and it’s difficult to know where she comes in terms of risk - low due to age , high due to underlying condition ? it’s a head wreck !
I think in relation to schools - response to cases / suspect cases will be paramount. I think testing for staff and children will need to be readily available with a swift turn around.

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 09:36AM

lulublue22 wrote:

As a parent itâ€™s natural to worry. Iâ€™ve an asthmatic child myself. I think in relation to schools - response to cases / suspect cases will be paramount. I think testing for staff and children will need to be readily available with a swift turn around.

I'm not a parent myself, but looking at what this is doing to adults, I'd be very concerned about the younger ones

khalessi · 22-07-2020 09:39AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

There have been a few and there was mention of a syndrome arising from covid that affected children. However the general consensus seems that children are no where near as affected as adults in terms of picking up the virus. It’s difficult though to get clarity as there seems to be a lot of conflicting information about covid 19 in general.

Recent study from Korea of 60,000+ people including children showed that 10+ year of age had equal ability to spread COvid19 as adults. This has been described as the most comprehensive study of its kind as previous studies had a limited number of participants.

CHildren 0-9 minimal spread

I have some 10 year olds in 4th class

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 09:40AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

##I'm sick of people everywhere telling me that I should be sorting things out. I'm just the bloody teacher. I have ZERO influence on policy or what happens. Kids sit Infront of me and I teach them. End of.##

Contrary to your statement I believe teachers have a voice. Teachers can contact their union, TDs and even parents of students if they feel strongly enough. I was encouraged to contact the government here and I did, I wrote to Joe McHugh. If you feel strongly enough you can do similar.

Don't be worrying about my voice. It's loud enough thank you very much.

In this fight the voice needs to come from the parents for once. Teachers are pretty much ignored and similar to the pattern on here are attacked for seemingly wanting more holidays, pay increase, danger money, take your pick for incorrect facts.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 09:41AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'm not a parent myself, but looking at what this is doing to adults, I'd be very concerned about the younger ones

Long term health issues part. for my teenager would be my main concern but then educational provision is paramount. Some form of face to face provision is what I would like to see with increased safety measures and rapid response to cases in schools.

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 09:44AM

lulublue22 wrote:

Long term health issues part. for my teenager would be my main concern but then educational provision is paramount. Some form of face to face provision is what I would like to see with increased safety measures and rapid response to cases in schools.

I can understand parents concerns over their kids educational needs, but some of the post covid issues are deeply concerning, I wouldn't like to be subjecting kids to that

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 09:44AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Long term health issues part. for my teenager would be my main concern but then educational provision is paramount. Some form of face to face provision is what I would like to see with increased safety measures and rapid response to cases in schools.

For the increased safety measures and rapid response you can be certain some posters on here think that us teachers should be the ones designing and funding these!!!!

Wanderer78 · 22-07-2020 09:45AM

wirelessdude01 wrote:

For the increased safety measures and rapid response you can be certain some posters on here think that us teachers should be the ones designing and funding these!!!!

I'd love to see some of those posters try do your job!

iamwhoiam · 22-07-2020 09:45AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Don't be worrying about my voice. It's loud enough thank you very much.

In this fight the voice needs to come from the parents for once. Teachers are pretty much ignored and similar to the pattern on here are attacked for seemingly wanting more holidays, pay increase, danger money, take your pick for incorrect facts.

Most parents out there are not aware that there are no meaningful guidelines or that there is a problem with lack of communication etc . They are not privy to what goes on with management in schools or how the daily management of a school operates

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 09:46AM

khalessi wrote: »

Recent study from Korea of 60,000+ people including children showed that 10+ year of age had equal ability to spread COvid19 as adults. This has been described as the most comprehensive study of its kind as previous studies had a limited number of participants.

CHildren 0-9 minimal spread

I have some 10 year olds in 4th class

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html

As I said lots of conflicting information - general consensus so far is that children are not as adversely affected as at the dame rate as adults. Could this change as more becomes known of course. I will be teaching seniors next year so all my children will be over 10.

jrosen · 22-07-2020 09:58AM

I think we are going to have to get used to spot closures. We are going to see people test positive across wide sectors of industries.

The report I heard stated she was asymptomatic, are creches doing weekly testing?

Maybe thats something schools can do, test staff weekly?

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:00AM

jrosen wrote: »

I think we are going to have to get used to spot closures. We are going to see people test positive across wide sectors of industries.

The report I heard stated she was asymptomatic, are creches doing weekly testing?

Maybe thats something schools can do, test staff weekly?

Think that is something that the unions have suggested but as per usual the issue is where the coat falls, dept of ed, HSE, school to pay and then get it back.?

the corpo · 22-07-2020 10:03AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

As I said lots of conflicting information - general consensus so far is that children are not as adversely affected as at the dame rate as adults. Could this change as more becomes known of course. I will be teaching seniors next year so all my children will be over 10.

To be a pedantic swine, I think this study quashes the conflicting information position, purely because it's the first large scale study, and it's evidence is pointing in one direction.

All the other positions on children, that I'm aware of, were based on very small pools of data.

So, until a similarly large scale study suggests otherwise, the consensus should point towards the South Korean study.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:04AM

jrosen wrote: »

I think we are going to have to get used to spot closures. We are going to see people test positive across wide sectors of industries.

The report I heard stated she was asymptomatic, are creches doing weekly testing?

Maybe thats something schools can do, test staff weekly?

Definitely will need to get used to spot closures and with the sub situation being as it is quite possibly classes sent home if teacher is out sick. That will be fun ðŸ€ª Teacher ‘s will be crucified. I would expect that no staff will be allowed into school with any signs of covid. Given the amount if colds, flus and viral infections that go around schools in winter this will have a definite knock on affect on classes.

Re testing quite possibly but if further studies emerge re children 10 and over spreading covid then children may need to be tested also. Do we have the capacity for this ?

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:06AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I've seen a very vague report on it but if that's all the information there is then it's really not enough to warrant being worried. Questions that come to my mind are:

When did the worker test positive? Was it since they went back to work?
Was the worker at work in the last few weeks? (one could assume that they were but this hasn't been explicitly stated)
Were they at particular risk of contracting the virus? (ie travelled to a country with higher number of cases/ in close contact with someone who has/had the virus)
Did they continue to work while showing symptoms?
Has contact tracing been completed for the infected worker?

Seems that they had recently been abroad. Report doesn't say where though.

Also were asymptomatic and had been in one work for one day last week.

jrosen · 22-07-2020 10:10AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

Definitely will need to get used to spot closures and with the sub situation being as it is quite possibly classes sent home if teacher is out sick. That will be fun &#55356;&#56362; Teacher ‘s will be crucified. I would expect that no staff will be allowed into school with any signs of covid. Given the amount if colds, flus and viral infections that go around schools in winter this will have a definite knock on affect on classes.

Re testing quite possibly but if further studies emerge re children 10 and over spreading covid then children may need to be tested also. Do we have the capacity for this ?

The sub situation has long been a problem so maybe this will be the push needed to establish a better system.

We are all going to be in the same situation work wise. Your right it will have a knock on affect

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:10AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Seems that they had recently been abroad. Report doesn't say where though.

The report I read was deliberately misleading for clicks then. If they were abroad they should have been isolating. Were they isolating? Is it therefore totally irrelevant that they were a creche worker??

is_that_so · 22-07-2020 10:10AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Seems that they had recently been abroad. Report doesn't say where though.

There are a lot of non-nationals in that sector so could have been a visit to home.

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:11AM

the corpo wrote: »

To be a pedantic swine, I think this study quashes the conflicting information position, purely because it's the first large scale study, and it's evidence is pointing in one direction.

All the other positions on children, that I'm aware of, were based on very small pools of data.

So, until a similarly large scale study suggests otherwise, the consensus should point towards the South Korean study.

Quite possibly I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m only speaking from my own understanding of the situation so far and I haven’t kept totally up to date as I find it a bit of a head wreck.

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:14AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

The report I read was deliberately misleading for clicks then. If they were abroad they should have been isolating. Were they isolating? Is it therefore totally irrelevant that they were a creche worker??

Why would you think it irrelevant that they are a crèche worker? Very relevant to all the discussion on this thread.

timmy_mallet · 22-07-2020 10:15AM

is_that_so wrote: »

There are a lot of non-nationals in that sector so could have been a visit to home.

What's a 'non-national'? Someone without a nation?

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:17AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Why would you think it irrelevant that they are a crèche worker? Very relevant to all the discussion on this thread.

Well, I could come up with the headline "Nurse tests positive for Covid-19" but the reality of the situation could be 104 year old retired nurse living alone on the side of a mountain in Japan. The headline is true, but the context means no-one is affected except the person who tests positive.

If the creche worker hasn't been in work, so can't have picked it up from or passed it on at work then there is no danger from or for the creche- then it is irrelevant that they are a creche worker.

wirelessdude01 · 22-07-2020 10:19AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well, I could come up with the headline "Nurse tests positive for Covid-19" but the reality of the situation could be 104 year old retired nurse living alone on the side of a mountain in Japan. The headline is true, but the context means no-one is affected except the person who tests positive.

If the creche worker hasn't been in work, so can't have picked it up from or passed it on at work then there is no danger from or for the creche- then it is irrelevant that they are a creche worker.

They had been in work for one day but the testing that they do picked it up.

Nothing to do with Japanese mountainsides ðŸ™„

is_that_so · 22-07-2020 10:19AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

What's a 'non-national'? Someone without a nation?

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

lulublue22 · 22-07-2020 10:20AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Well, I could come up with the headline "Nurse tests positive for Covid-19" but the reality of the situation could be 104 year old retired nurse living alone on the side of a mountain in Japan. The headline is true, but the context means no-one is affected except the person who tests positive.

If the creche worker hasn't been in work, so can't have picked it up from or passed it on at work then there is no danger from or for the creche- then it is irrelevant that they are a creche worker.

I think they were in work for a day ? Have they passed it on who knows could they have - yes.

Lillyfae · 22-07-2020 10:22AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They had been in work for one day but the testing that they do picked it up.

Nothing to do with Japanese mountainsides &#55357;&#56900;

Can you send me a link to a better report than the one I've seen? I don't see that they had travelled or that they were in work for a day. I'm reading BreakingNews.

Mrsmum · 22-07-2020 10:22AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They had been in work for one day but the testing that they do picked it up.

Nothing to do with Japanese mountainsides &#55357;&#56900;

I think the point being made is that being a creche worker isn't the relevant point if the person actually picked it up abroad and not through their workplace. However it is relevant to where they pass it on.

timmy_mallet · 22-07-2020 10:23AM

is_that_so wrote: »

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-cp7md/p7md/p7anii/

Oh, a non-Irish national. Right.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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