Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

NegativeCreep · 21-07-2020 05:03PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Unfortunately I’m my job it’s impossible with the quarantine restrictions but I take your point. My point about things not being normal stands.

They don’t have to know where you’ve been or even that you travelled at all

Clonmel1000 · 21-07-2020 05:21PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

They don’t have to know where you’ve been or even that you travelled at all

Easier said than done when there’s my wife and kids involved also. The whole situation is ludicrous.

Penfailed · 21-07-2020 05:37PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

There is nothing normal about this country currently.
We can’t travel abroad. We can.
We can’t stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes. I did last week but I wouldn't have been staying much longer anyway...how long does it take to eat?
No talk on the 2m social distancing and the queue outside shops and cafes etc. All pubs shut down cinemas likewise. I was at the cinema last week
Sporting events curtailed massively ditto. Church services etc. The list goes on. Normal it certainly isn’t.

There is nothing normal about ANY country at the moment.

FintanMcluskey · 21-07-2020 08:12PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Do you not know that other countries have gone into lockdown again and even done localised lockdowns? How do you explain that?

Population density.

TaurenDruid · 21-07-2020 09:12PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

There is nothing normal about this country currently. We can’t travel abroad. We can’t stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes. No talk on the 2m social distancing and the queue outside shops and cafes etc. All pubs shut down cinemas likewise. Sporting events curtailed massively ditto. Church services etc. The list goes on. Normal it certainly isn’t.

You can travel abroad if your travel is essential. Self-isolate for 14 days when you return.

You can stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes.

I don't know what your exact issue is with 2m social distancing, but it's preventing infections when observed?

I've been in two different pubs on three occasions in the past two weeks?

Cinemas - yeah, it's a shame they haven't all reopened yet, but they're all allowed to open. Some have. You can find the listings on entertainment.ie

Sport is curtailed, but they have a roadmap for reopening. Plenty of organised soccer going on in my local park, golf courses were open ages ago.

Churches are open.

So, um... maybe get out in the real world and enjoy what's there, because a lot of life appears to be passing you by while you read and repeat misinformation on the internet...

Clonmel1000 · 21-07-2020 10:16PM

TaurenDruid wrote: »

You can travel abroad if your travel is essential. Self-isolate for 14 days when you return.

You can stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes.

I don't know what your exact issue is with 2m social distancing, but it's preventing infections when observed?

I've been in two different pubs on three occasions in the past two weeks?

Cinemas - yeah, it's a shame they haven't all reopened yet, but they're all allowed to open. Some have. You can find the listings on entertainment.ie

Sport is curtailed, but they have a roadmap for reopening. Plenty of organised soccer going on in my local park, golf courses were open ages ago.

Churches are open.

So, um... maybe get out in the real world and enjoy what's there, because a lot of life appears to be passing you by while you read and repeat misinformation on the internet...

So a 2 week holiday means taking 4 weeks leave and this is normal and doable?

The 2 metre thing is killing a lot of smaller business whilst not being observed in the “real world” as you call it. Head to any large retail unit and you’ll see this.

I’m not interested in paying €9 for food I don’t want and certainly won’t make me safer from Covid.

Supporters not allowed to our gaa games last weekend once the teams and officials were accounted for despite their being acres of space nonsensical and certainly not normal.

Churches allowing very reduced numbers and many masses cancelled as a result. We’ve had another crazy decision to cancel a mass on A mountain locally next week for to public health concerns. The side of a feckin mountain!
So I dunno maybe the “new normal” is good for you but I certainly don’t find it less than normal.

Golf is my Game · 21-07-2020 11:04PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

So a 2 week holiday means taking 4 weeks leave and this is normal and doable?

Thats not what it is its just that you cant go overseas for them holidays this year but you can have your 2 week holidays no bother.

Golf is my Game · 21-07-2020 11:06PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

I’m not interested in paying €9 for food I don’t want and certainly won’t make me safer from Covid.

The nine quid thing is making you safer from covid whether you go to a pub or not because its reducing the number of pubs open and the numbers of people going in them which is the point not that nine notes worth of food does anything for you, but your not the only one missing the point of this which maybe in fairness to those who didnt get it should have been explained better by the nephet and health.

Golf is my Game · 21-07-2020 11:08PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Supporters not allowed to our gaa games last weekend once the teams and officials were accounted for despite their being acres of space nonsensical and certainly not normal.

This is like the pubs because its about having few people in there because you cant trust big groups of lads to keep social distance at a game like that and thats quite right, so the risk is reduced which is a good thing, and at least the game can go on.

Golf is my Game · 21-07-2020 11:10PM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Churches allowing very reduced numbers and many masses cancelled as a result. We’ve had another crazy decision to cancel a mass on A mountain locally next week for to public health concerns. The side of a feckin mountain!

Yes but the risks is too high of groups of people concentrating near once another whether its outside or not is by the way. Once you understand there thinking actually a lot of these things that are being regulated make sense really, but its that a lot dont look at them fully understanding.

FintanMcluskey · 22-07-2020 12:01AM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Once you understand there thinking actually a lot of these things that are being regulated make sense really, but its that a lot dont look at them fully understanding.

"Once you understand there thinking"

Who are you referring to?

TaurenDruid · 22-07-2020 12:10AM

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

So a 2 week holiday means taking 4 weeks leave and this is normal and doable?

The 2 metre thing is killing a lot of smaller business whilst not being observed in the “real world” as you call it. Head to any large retail unit and you’ll see this.

I’m not interested in paying €9 for food I don’t want and certainly won’t make me safer from Covid.

Supporters not allowed to our gaa games last weekend once the teams and officials were accounted for despite their being acres of space nonsensical and certainly not normal.

Churches allowing very reduced numbers and many masses cancelled as a result. We’ve had another crazy decision to cancel a mass on A mountain locally next week for to public health concerns. The side of a feckin mountain!

So, in summary, you're confirming that all of what you wrote in your OP is, in fact, incorrect. Grand, so.

If you're talking about Reek Sunday being cancelled, thank ****ing Christ for that! "Thousands" of people last year, an estimated 5,000 in 2018, and 25,000 in 2017. All of them going up and down a fairly narrow trail! Of course it should have been cancelled, and if you can't work out why, well... yeah.

22-07-2020 12:15AM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Thats not what it is its just that you cant go overseas for them holidays this year but you can have your 2 week holidays no bother.

I am off to Bulgaria for my essential week of holidays next week. Since I work from home, self isolation is nothing new for me. Even though Bulgaria has been fully opened for several weeks now, their infection rate remains low.

road_high · 22-07-2020 02:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland is the most reluctant country in Europe to get back to a level of normality.
We've extended lockdown before.
Pushed back homeware due to a "typo".
Pushed back phase 4 of the reopening.
Advised people against travel.
Threatened to go back phases
Have constantly finger waved at people and allowed a very negative media narrative to continue.

It is not difficult to see that the plan is to keep the people scared and compliant.

It is working too. Too many gullible people brainwashed by RTE.

Problem is there are a lot of people perfectly happy with the lockdown and happily take the €350 per week to do nothing and take zero responsibility. And who could blame them? It’s state sponsored insane laziness.
There’s almost a carnival atmosphere of doing nothing the past month during week days in any tourist spots. The lost productivity through this and the reduced capacity via that 2m rubbish must be breathtaking

YellowBucket · 22-07-2020 07:36AM

Given that 1.8m of us normally jet off of Spain (& that’s only Spain), I would certainly hope there are busy domestic tourist destinations.

That carnival atmosphere you’re tutting at is the sound of some of the nearly 6 billion Euro we normally on overseas trips re-circulating into the domestic economy.

If you didn’t see any activity at Irish domestic tourism destinations there would be something seriously wrong and an indication of tipping into an economic depression and money not being spent at all.

That activity is very much part of what will keep us afloat.

22-07-2020 08:52AM

Have I mentioned the word farce on this thread yet?

So we published a green list of countries that it is ok to travel to, but we don't want you to travel...
And we don't we want you to go the pub in Ireland, but you can go nuts in Italy if you want to. But we'd prefer if you didn't. A staycation with no pubs would be better for you.
And you can go to Gibraltar but not to Spain. What f*cking gombeen actually came up with this? Enjoy Gibraltar if you have a parachute.
Now I don't know for sure, but I believe Monaco is the same.

This would be comedy gold if it wasn't actually real life.

TaurenDruid · 22-07-2020 08:54AM

road_high wrote: »

Problem is there are a lot of people perfectly happy with the lockdown and happily take the €350 per week to do nothing and take zero responsibility. And who could blame them? It’s state sponsored insane laziness.
There’s almost a carnival atmosphere of doing nothing the past month during week days in any tourist spots. The lost productivity through this and the reduced capacity via that 2m rubbish must be breathtaking

If you honestly can't comprehend why there needs to be 2m social distancing while there's an active and growing respiratory viral pandemic, maybe use your increased time at home to read some more.

From books and reputable sites like the WHO, not conspiracy theory sites on facebook.

Lundstram · 22-07-2020 08:57AM

WHO and repuatble are words that should never be used in the same sentence.

average_runner · 22-07-2020 09:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am off to Bulgaria for my essential week of holidays next week. Since I work from home, self isolation is nothing new for me. Even though Bulgaria has been fully opened for several weeks now, their infection rate remains low.

That is funny, their infection rate is at the highest it ever was. Considering that region the cases are going up and up.

Gavlor · 22-07-2020 09:14AM

average_runner wrote: »

That is funny, their infection rate is at the highest it ever was. Considering that region the cases are going up and up.

The truth is not allowed on this thread. Hang your head in shame.

22-07-2020 09:38AM

Imagine you had to explain this whole farce to somebody who just woke up from a coma...

We were told a killer disease was on the way. The media kick started absolute hysteria. People were terrified. But we wouldn't close the airports. Eventually Covid arrived in Ireland. The country went into lockdown and people absolutely panicked, stockpiled on canned foods and toilet rolls of all things.

Months passed by and the death rate was actually extremely low. Most of the people that passed away had very serious illnesses already. And we were also overstating the deaths. If Covid was even suspected, we'd stick it down as a Covid death.

After the curve was flattened and hospital numbers started dropping, we thought we'd spend a few more weeks in lockdown before announcing the longest reopening plan in all of Europe. At the very first hurdle, some rumours started about people looking forward to going to Ikea. So we forced the homeware industry to remain closed for another couple of weeks.

When restaurants opened, a bunch of pubs stated they would also reopen and serve food. The government panicked and some expert decided that you had to spend at least 9 euro on food and could only stay in the pub for 105 minutes.

A bunch of weeks passed by and we had practically no cases. All of a sudden we started doubling the amount of testing we were doing. The cases numbers increased a tiny bit so we decided to delay phase 4 of the reopening for another 3 weeks at least.

We told people to cancel their holidays and stay in Ireland. But then we published a green list of places that you can go to. But we don't want you to go to them. And you can go to pubs and do what you please in those countries, but please stay in Ireland. And of course, you can go to NI and do whatever you want up there. Fly to wherever you want.

Oh yeah, and the economy is f*cked for the forseeable future.

KrustyUCC · 22-07-2020 09:56AM

Golf is my Game wrote: »

This is like the pubs because its about having few people in there because you cant trust big groups of lads to keep social distance at a game like that and thats quite right, so the risk is reduced which is a good thing, and at least the game can go on.

The issue is with thinking like yours and the one size fits all approach

By in large people can be trusted and are generally compliant

My club is playing championship in a 16,500 capacity stadium

We're stuck with 200 outdoors thanks to one size fits all approach

No good reason why you couldn't close of various sections inbetween, fill a section, then move people to next open section

500 wouldn't put a dent in a stadium like that even if it was 95 supporters on 4 sides of the grounds

Gavlor · 22-07-2020 09:57AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imagine you had to explain this whole farce to somebody who just woke up from a coma..
A bunch of weeks passed by and we had practically no cases. All of a sudden we started doubling the amount of testing we were doing. The cases numbers increased a tiny bit so we decided to delay phase 4 of the reopening for another 3 weeks at least.

So we wouldn’t have an increase in cases if we didn’t increase testing?

Donald is that you?

is_that_so · 22-07-2020 10:05AM

Gavlor wrote: »

So we wouldn’t have an increase in cases if we didn’t increase testing?

Donald is that you?

It's not the number of tests. Positivity levels are down at about 0.3% on average and levels in the community are very low so there are questions about what the ultimate aim is.

Gavlor · 22-07-2020 10:14AM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not the number of tests. Positivity levels are down at about 0.3% on average and levels in the community are very low so there are questions about what the ultimate aim is.

That is certainly not what the post alluded to.

High coverage testing is crucial to ensure that the numbers you’ve quoted remain low. If people with symptoms don’t get tested then the number of infections will increase thereby rising the overall R number in the community.

Increased testing is part of the solution.

22-07-2020 10:16AM

Testing more people is great. It just means that we likely had more cases before but just weren't aware of them while we reopened.
It would have been good if we had highlighted in the media that the slight increase came after doubling the amount of tests we were doing.
Instead we took the hysterical approach of telling the public that the R0 number was over 1 and there could be 150 cases a day very soon.

We took the approach of terrifying people into compliance instead of just explaining that way more tests were carried out.

It is disgraceful how we have treated people. Especially the vulnerable elders who rely on RTE for their news.

FintanMcluskey · 22-07-2020 10:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Testing more people is great. It just means that we likely had more cases before but just weren't aware of them while we reopened.
It would have been good if we had highlighted in the media that the slight increase came after doubling the amount of tests we were doing.
Instead we took the hysterical approach of telling the public that the R0 number was over 1 and there could be 150 cases a day very soon.

We took the approach of terrifying people into compliance instead of just explaining that way more tests were carried out.

It is disgraceful how we have treated people. Especially the vulnerable elders who rely on RTE for their news.

Italy has bars open 2 months and is now on some bizzare "green list" published by our fine leaders.

I'd like people to ask themselves does that make sense

setanta1984 · 22-07-2020 10:31AM

Gavlor wrote: »

That is certainly not what the post alluded to.

I thought it was pretty clear that the point was an increase of detected cases was due to the increase in testing, which are both good things and not something to panic and fret over and continue imposing restrictions. which is what they did.

Instead of rationally explaining how our absolutely tiny positivity rate meant a small increase in found cases with increased tests was a good thing, they went down the doom and fear path instead.

I'm 100% convinced had this virus happened more than 10 years ago the world would have reacted in an entirely different way, but with largely the same outcome. The internet and social media prevalence has completely driven the way governments react and respond, to appease the loudest and most prevalent social media groupthink.
Decisions and mandates get made to appear to be doing "something", and so that twitter users can clap them on the back and partake in one-upmanship with other countries and their responses which are driven the same way.
The mandate on 5 million people to wear masks 7 months after the start of the crisis and 4 months after ours started is a perfect example of this, a measure completely out of step with the current situation in this country

Penfailed · 22-07-2020 10:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We took the approach of terrifying people into compliance instead of just explaining that way more tests were carried out.

Ridiculous statement. People aren't being terrified into compliance. I don't know anyone who is terrified over this whole thing. I do know that people are complying though. It's not out of fear but out of a sense of public duty. It's called doing the right thing. It's in our nature to do as instructed by the powers that be. It's because people don't like being called out or gawked at for breaking simple rules put there to get over this pandemic. Most of the comments here that talk about hysteria and fear are posted by those who seem to want to open everything up whereas everyone else is just keeping their heads down and getting on with it without feeling fearful or hysterical.

FintanMcluskey · 22-07-2020 10:35AM

Penfailed wrote: »

everyone else is just keeping their heads down and getting on with it without feeling fearful or hysterical.

No, some understand and value democracy.

Statements like above belong in 1950s Ireland

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