Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

setanta1984 wrote: »

The mandate on 5 million people to wear masks 7 months after the start of the crisis and 4 months after ours started is a perfect example of this, a measure completely out of step with the current situation in this country

It's not out of step. As you open up more, there's a greater risk, hence the introduction of mask wearing. It makes perfect sense to me. 5 million people are not wearing masks by the way. It's only on public transport or in shops. I've only had to wear one once so far and that was for half an hour in the barbers. No big deal.

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No, some understand and value democracy.

Statements like above belong in 1950s Ireland

What's undemocratic about all of this? These are the people that were voted in to make decisions for all of us. Statements like yours are meaningless.

setanta1984

Penfailed wrote: »

It's not out of step. As you open up more, there's a greater risk, hence the introduction of mask wearing. It makes perfect sense to me. 5 million people are not wearing masks by the way. It's only on public transport or in shops. I've only had to wear one once so far and that was for half an hour in the barbers. No big deal.

And for how long do you think that should be the case?

We're going making it a criminal offence to buy a mars bar or a bottle of milk without covering your face punishable by 6 months in prison or a 2.5 k fine. Indefinitely. How we're willing to accept such draconian laws as a country I cannot understand.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Italy has bars open 2 months and is now on some bizzare "green list" published by our fine leaders.

I'd like people to ask themselves does that make sense

Every country on the below list with a lower infection rate than us is on the green list. Every country with a higher rate is not. Rather than being bizarre, the green list appears to have been generated using clear objective criteria.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Penfailed

setanta1984 wrote: »

And for how long do you think that should be the case?

We're going making it a criminal offence to buy a mars bar or a bottle of milk without covering your face punishable by 6 months in prison or a 2.5 k fine. Indefinitely. How we're willing to accept such draconian laws as a country I cannot understand.

Where's the protests? Where's everyone out on the streets and up in arms about it? Where's the mass disobedience? No one cares because it's not draconian.

dalyboy

Penfailed wrote: »

Where's the protests? Where's everyone out on the streets and up in arms about it? Where's the mass disobedience? No one cares because it's not draconian.

Yeah. It’s not draconian at all. Just a bit of enforced cosplay. Doctors and nurses in shops for adults.

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

Ridiculous statement. People aren't being terrified into compliance. I don't know anyone who is terrified over this whole thing. I do know that people are complying though. It's not out of fear but out of a sense of public duty. It's called doing the right thing. It's in our nature to do as instructed by the powers that be. It's because people don't like being called out or gawked at for breaking simple rules put there to get over this pandemic. Most of the comments here that talk about hysteria and fear are posted by those who seem to want to open everything up whereas everyone else is just keeping their heads down and getting on with it without feeling fearful or hysterical.

Why couldn't we simply explain that we doubled the number of tests carried out and as a result, there was a slight increase in cases. It would have been very easy to make a positive out of that.

Instead we chose to delay phase 4, point to the R number been over 1 and scare mongered that there could be 150 cases a day soon.

I have spoken to many people since that still don't realize that testing has doubled.

setanta1984

Penfailed wrote: »

Where's the protests? Where's everyone out on the streets and up in arms about it? Where's the mass disobedience? No one cares because it's not draconian.

Are you really going to try and claim punishment of 6 months in prison for buying a loaf of bread in centra without having your face covered is not draconian? Seriously? Regardless of whether you agree with it that is almost a textbook definition of draconian.

The fact there isn't protests etc. is exactly my point and what I can't understand, how people are even welcoming this kind of indefinite mandate.

facehugger99

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Every country on the below list with a lower infection rate than us is on the green list. Every country with a higher rate is not. Rather than being bizarre, the green list appears to have been generated using clear objective criteria.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

People are really struggling to comprehend the correlation between a high testing rate and a high positive case rate.

I've given up trying up trying to help people understand however

iamwhoiam

facehugger99 wrote: »

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

What is your point ? other nurses from other hospitals are worn out and burnt out after months of working in PPE under severe pressure

boggerman1

So when is phase 2 being reintroduced.cause listening to the hysteria at the minute it seems inevitable.

Multipass

facehugger99 wrote: »

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

Of course they’ve never been quieter- they’ve cancelled so much of the ‘non essential’ treatment, and screening. The country has gone insane, it’s horrifying.

dalyboy

boggerman1 wrote: »

So when is phase 2 being reintroduced.cause listening to the hysteria at the minute it seems inevitable.

Phase 2 on the way for sure. Coming soon.... masks for everyone in parks , streets and private cars .... pause ..... then masks for everyone in their private homes..... Zero protests .... god only knows what’ll be after that.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

I thought it was also funny when it was reported yesterday many healthcare workers turned up to work while Covid positive for fear of losing the overtime premium.

Multipass

This whole green list business is such nonsense. After months of not being able to walk outside more than 5km because of ‘danger’, it’s now suddenly ok to sit jammed in a sardine can full of people breathing the same air. Oh but they’re breathing it through magical masks, so that’s just fine. It’s mass insanity at this stage.

dalyboy

Multipass wrote: »

This whole green list business is such nonsense. After months of not being able to walk outside more than 5km because of ‘danger’, it’s now suddenly ok to sit jammed in a sardine can full of people breathing the same air. Oh but they’re breathing it through magical masks, so that’s just fine. It’s mass insanity at this stage.

The magical facial burka’s that provides “little to no protection” back in March/April according to the government. Now they’re perfectly effective against infection on planes . Hahaha

The most mental thing of all... we are asking people to staycation but we refuse to open the pubs.

We are asking people NOT to travel, while publishing a list of countries that you can safely travel to.

Surely we'd increase the chances of people staying in Ireland and cut out the dangerous house parties if we'd just open the pubs.

You don't need to be an "expert" on a huge salary to see that.

Lundstram

Deleted User wrote: »

The most mental thing of all... we are asking people to staycation but we refuse to open the pubs.

We are asking people NOT to travel, while publishing a list of countries that you can safely travel to.

Surely we'd increase the chances of people staying in Ireland and cut out the dangerous house parties if we'd just open the pubs.

You don't need to be an "expert" on a huge salary to see that.

I'm in Manchester at the moment. Pubs open, in a lot of places there is a QR code you must scan and fill out a form before you can enter. Places well marked out for SD and there's staff constantly sanitising furniture.

No such forward thinking in Ireland, though. Just shut them and let the economy go to sh1t.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

Lundstram wrote: »

I'm in Manchester at the moment. Pubs open, in a lot of places there is a QR code you must scan and fill out a form before you can enter. Places well marked out for SD and there's staff constantly sanitising furniture.

No such forward thinking in Ireland, though. Just shut them and let the economy go to sh1t.

But Englands stats are worse than Ireland's

Lundstram

Travis Numerous Steamer wrote: »

But Englands stats are worse than Ireland's

Manchester's stats are better than Dublin's per capita.

road_high

facehugger99 wrote: »

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

The figures just don't tally...OK, some staff working on the exact frontline like in the few ICUs that had patients have had a tough time but for the vast majority this isn't the case. It can't be given the numbers and the plethora of cancellations/fear of visiting hospitals.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People are really struggling to comprehend the correlation between a high testing rate and a high positive case rate.

I've given up trying up trying to help people understand however

Not sure what point your trying to make here? Of course case count is going to be higher the more testing you do. Some of those countries are testing more than us and some less than us though. The criteria in itself is undeniably objective.

Lundstram

Lundstram wrote: »

I'm in Manchester at the moment. Pubs open, in a lot of places there is a QR code you must scan and fill out a form before you can enter. Places well marked out for SD and there's staff constantly sanitising furniture.

No such forward thinking in Ireland, though. Just shut them and let the economy go to sh1t.

Been so successful in the UK in preventing economic damage

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/10/uk-economy-likely-to-suffer-worst-covid-19-damage-says-oecd

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-s-economy-set-to-shrink-8-5-due-to-pandemic-1.4298159

TaurenDruid

setanta1984 wrote: »

Are you really going to try and claim punishment of 6 months in prison for buying a loaf of bread in centra without having your face covered is not draconian? Seriously? Regardless of whether you agree with it that is almost a textbook definition of draconian.

The fact there isn't protests etc. is exactly my point and what I can't understand, how people are even welcoming this kind of indefinite mandate.

There is nothing "Draconian" about sticking a mask on for the 2 minutes it'll take you to buy a loaf of bread. It costs you literally nothing, and is literally helping save lives.

Expecting everyone else to put up with you potentially infecting them shows you've no idea what the social contract means.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Been so successful in the UK in preventing economic damage

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/10/uk-economy-likely-to-suffer-worst-covid-19-damage-says-oecd

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-s-economy-set-to-shrink-8-5-due-to-pandemic-1.4298159

So opening pubs without needing a meal hasnt magically saved the English economy?

Well who'da thunk that!

TaurenDruid

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I thought it was also funny when it was reported yesterday many healthcare workers turned up to work while Covid positive for fear of losing the overtime premium.

You think it's funny that a frontline healthcare worker can't afford to house and feed themselves on basic salary? Ok... odd sense of humour.

setanta1984

TaurenDruid wrote: »

There is nothing "Draconian" about sticking a mask on for the 2 minutes it'll take you to buy a loaf of bread.

Writing it into law, that you can go to prison for 6 months if you don't, is.

setanta1984

setanta1984 wrote: »

Writing it into law, that you can go to prison for 6 months if you don't, is.

How many people would you think will go to prison for not wearing a mask?

Also, what provision are they using for this? Genuine question

dalyboy

TaurenDruid wrote: »

You think it's funny that a frontline healthcare worker can't afford to house and feed themselves on basic salary? Ok... odd sense of humour.

Your right , it’s not funny. It’s tragic. These so called hero’s infecting sick and vulnerable people is obviously fine in your world