Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

_Kaiser_

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be shocked if they do reopen.

Based on how we've already things like homeware, pubs and leaving cert, I just don't see it.

No plan's have been mentioned for schools reopening. And there are lots of noises about it not been safe for teachers or the kids etc.

A few weeks will pass and they'll announce that schools won't reopen. OR, they will reopen with extreme restrictions.

Can't see it either. It's less than 6 weeks away and no plan, no money, no agreements in place as far as I'm aware.

Even if they do reopen, I expect it'll be such a disorganised and inconsistent mess with different schools doing different things, that it won't surprise me if parents keep the kids home anyway rather than expose them to that.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be shocked if they do reopen.

Based on how we've already things like homeware, pubs and leaving cert, I just don't see it.

No plan's have been mentioned for schools reopening. And there are lots of noises about it not been safe for teachers or the kids etc.

A few weeks will pass and they'll announce that schools won't reopen. OR, they will reopen with extreme restrictions.

This is exactly what will happen - the usual Irish fudge. They will reopen in such a way and with such restrictions that kids will be spending 1 or 2 days per week in school.

Govt. will pat themselves on the back about how they managed to get the schools open, the teacher unions will continue to grumble but the reality is that their members will have far less workload.

Meanwhile kids will have their education fcuked down the drain and working parents will once again be told to suck it up.

fr336

facehugger99 wrote: »

I had to laugh at yesterday's daily-fear story from RTE on how healthcare workers can't face a second wave because they're too "exhausted".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0721/1154577-covid19-committee/

I know a nurse who works in a major Dublin hospital and she said they have never been quieter - they only reason they are any way busy is because some of their colleagues have gone on an extended hiatus claiming that they're in the "vulnerable" category.


Ironically, she's off on a 2-week holiday in Spain at the moment.

It's amusing you think RTE sit around all day to think up more ways to put the fear of god into people. People will approach them with stories they think need to be told. I'm sure RTE run stories from business owners hysterical at the state of the economy - would you disagree with those stories?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I will be shocked if they do reopen.

Based on how we've already things like homeware, pubs and leaving cert, I just don't see it.

No plan's have been mentioned for schools reopening. And there are lots of noises about it not been safe for teachers or the kids etc.

A few weeks will pass and they'll announce that schools won't reopen. OR, they will reopen with extreme restrictions.

They blocked the pubs because the dont want to risk the schools not opening. Not saying it was right, but its why they did it.

TaurenDruid

fr336 wrote: »

It's amusing you think RTE sit around all day to think up more ways to put the fear of god into people. People will approach them with stories they think need to be told. I'm sure RTE run stories from business owners hysterical at the state of the economy - would you disagree with those stories?

This. Was hearing plenty over the last few weks - on RTÉ! - from lobbyists for Big Pub, Big Hair and Big Garden Centre about how they were ready, willing and safe to open. Especially the Big Pub lobby. Then Dame Lane happened... I'd say the owner of that pub won't show his face at many LVA shindigs in the next year or so...

FintanMcluskey

fr336 wrote: »

It's amusing you think RTE sit around all day to think up more ways to put the fear of god into people.

Have you seen the boloxoligy on RTE the past 6 months?

Did you see Claire Byrne broadcast a show from her garden shed like a leper from the bible?

Or the cameras stuck in the dying Covid patient's faces last week?

thelad95

We have to re-open schools or risk having a whole generation uneducated. Deal with clusters as, when and if they happen.

Kids in a high risk category or with family in a high risk category could have alternative arrangements of some sort made for them, everyone else should just get on with it.

The longer we keep schools closed the more damaging it will be to our youth. Children can have mental health problems too and frankly I'm sure a lot of them are absolutely terrified at present. In older children, we could see a large number of anti-social problems arising from teenage pregnancies to vandalism, under age drinking on a regular basis etc.

This is not the apocalypse. Children have to be educated. Teachers need to mask up and get on with it, they've already had six months paid holidays.

fr336

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have you seen the boloxoligy on RTE the past 6 months?

Did you see Claire Byrne broadcast a show from her garden shed like a leper from the bible?

Or the cameras stuck in the dying Covid patient's faces last week?

It was a serious situation, still is, some people need the point hammered home because they seem to have the attention span of god knows what. RTE is a public service broadcaster, if they can't deliver this during a pandemic then what's the point. The Daily Mail they are not.

I did like your use of the word boloxoligy though.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They blocked the pubs because the dont want to risk the schools not opening. Not saying it was right, but its why they did it.

I do believe the government want schools to reopen. And they’ll find a way to keep pubs closed for even longer. Not sure what excuse they’ll run with this time.

I think some of the other restrictions will then backfire. If the pubs are closed, masks are mandatory and 2M distancing in place, why would it be safe to open schools? That sort of argument will be raised.

DOE, teachers and some parents will be raising concerns and eventually the schools won’t open. Or will open with too many restrictions for kids to be educated properly.

Everything so far has been a farce, just can’t see this been different.

fr336

thelad95 wrote: »

This is not the apocalypse. Children have to be educated. Teachers need to mask up and get on with it, they've already had six months paid holidays.

If it's anything like here (England) a lot of teachers have still been teaching (or child minding, which teachers do all the time anyway) kids of essential workers. And individual schools may have more online learning etc than others, meaning all teachers may be working from home or school as hard as ever. Much of the country has been on a six month paid "holiday", why single out teachers?

As for a lost generation not being educated, come on. It's been 6 months, it's not the apocalypse.

Spanish Eyes

Just a quick Q. Have the DOH or whoever kept Citywest going for the overflow? Might be needed come the Winter quarantine who knows. Just wondered.

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just a quick Q. Have the DOH or whoever kept Citywest going for the overflow? Might be needed come the Winter quarantine who knows. Just wondered.

No it turned out to be hysteria in overdrive.

In fact most hospital's were empty in wave 1.

Spanish Eyes

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No it turned out to be hysteria in overdrive.

In fact most hospital's were empty in wave 1.

Well to be fair, if they hadn't done that and needed it, it would have been a total disaster.

Planning is generally for the worst case scenario, and thankfully we didn't need it.

But who can say what lies ahead either.

is_that_so

fr336 wrote: »

It was a serious situation, still is, some people need the point hammered home because they seem to have the attention span of god knows what. RTE is a public service broadcaster, if they can't deliver this during a pandemic then what's the point. The Daily Mail they are not.

I did like your use of the word boloxoligy though.

Bollocksology or bolloxology!:D

GocRh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Every country on the below list with a lower infection rate than us is on the green list. Every country with a higher rate is not. Rather than being bizarre, the green list appears to have been generated using clear objective criteria.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Your statement is not entirely correct. Iceland is not on the green list, even though it is on the ECDC list and has a rate of cases 2 per 100k and has been hailed as a very good example of covid containment.
Not to mention that there are no airports in Monaco so unless you own a boat you can't get back to Ireland without transiting through France, which is not on the list.

is_that_so

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just a quick Q. Have the DOH or whoever kept Citywest going for the overflow? Might be needed come the Winter quarantine who knows. Just wondered.

The contract will not be renewed. October I think it ends.

GocRh

For those of you claiming the green list is based on logic and reason:

- let's imagine everyone in Ireland follows government guidance and we crush covid. Our cases go to zero or near zero.
- infection rate will then drop even further
- so following the government's logic only Greenland will be on the green list???

Our reward for being responsible and following health guidance will be getting locked in the island of Ireland until there's a vaccine?

Golf is my Game

GocRh wrote: »

For those of you claiming the green list is based on logic and reason:

- let's imagine everyone in Ireland follows government guidance and we crush covid. Our cases go to zero or near zero.
- infection rate will then drop even further
- so following the government's logic only Greenland will be on the green list???

Our reward for being responsible and following health guidance will be getting locked in the island of Ireland until there's a vaccine?

Thats a lot of blinkereed entitlement there lad. Our reward will be not dying and not being unemployed because the economy tanks. Thats worth playing ball for.

facehugger99

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Thats a lot of blinkereed entitlement there lad. Our reward will be not dying and not being unemployed because the economy tanks. Thats worth playing ball for.

Unfortunately, you'll be dying at some stage and the economy is already fcuked.

Might as well enjoy your life.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well, the Higher Education plan has been announced today and requires 2 metre distancing at lectures.

If its 2M for students, then it has to be 2M for primary and secondary also.

Which means schools won't be reopening in September. At least nowhere close to capacity.
Maybe kids will get 1 day a week.

How long can we afford not to properly educate our children?

The first paragraph is accurate. You've made up the rest.

GocRh

Golf is my Game wrote: »

Thats a lot of blinkereed entitlement there lad. Our reward will be not dying and not being unemployed because the economy tanks. Thats worth playing ball for.

So by your logic every other country in Europe will be full of dead people and unemployment?

I've asked an honest question on the long term strategy of our government. I'd appreciate a logical response. Well this is boards.ie so maybe that's too much to ask...

Penfailed

setanta1984 wrote: »

Are you really going to try and claim punishment of 6 months in prison for buying a loaf of bread in centra without having your face covered is not draconian? Seriously? Regardless of whether you agree with it that is almost a textbook definition of draconian.

The fact there isn't protests etc. is exactly my point and what I can't understand, how people are even welcoming this kind of indefinite mandate.

It's not draconian. It would be if it was difficult to wear a mask in a shop...but it's not. It's really easy.

Hannibal36

GocRh wrote: »

So by your logic every other country in Europe will be full of dead people and unemployment?

I've asked an honest question on the long term strategy of our government. I'd appreciate a logical response. Well this is boards.ie so maybe that's too much to ask...

The long term strategy of the government is clearly to manipulate this event for maximum personal gain.

They will never again get access to the kind of money they are getting now in the bond market, so they are lining their pockets throwing a few crumbs to workers to keep them quiet while they take the bigger share condemning our future generations to debt slavery, but they will have insulated themselves from the austerity that's inevitable for the vast majority of us.

Penfailed

Hannibal36 wrote: »

The long term strategy of the government is clearly to manipulate this event for maximum personal gain.

They will never again get access to the kind of money they are getting now in the bond market, so they are lining their pockets throwing a few crumbs to workers to keep them quiet while they take the bigger share condemning our future generations to debt slavery, but they will have insulated themselves from the austerity that's inevitable for the vast majority of us.

Governments ALWAYS look after themselves, not just in a pandemic.

Golf is my Game

Hannibal36 wrote: »

The long term strategy of the government is clearly to manipulate this event for maximum personal gain.

They will never again get access to the kind of money they are getting now in the bond market, so they are lining their pockets throwing a few crumbs to workers to keep them quiet while they take the bigger share condemning our future generations to debt slavery, but they will have insulated themselves from the austerity that's inevitable for the vast majority of us.

You can laugh a that but there is really people out there that beleive that kind of stuff even though its has no logic and youd wonder of the intelligence of someone who does. Then sub rag newspapaer starts spewing the same lines and even more starts to think like that.

GocRh

GocRh wrote: »

Your statement is not entirely correct. Iceland is not on the green list, even though it is on the ECDC list and has a rate of cases 2 per 100k and has been hailed as a very good example of covid containment.
Not to mention that there are no airports in Monaco so unless you own a boat you can't get back to Ireland without transiting through France, which is not on the list.

Iceland isn’t in the EEA.

You can fly to Italy and sail up the coast to Monaco

GocRh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Iceland isn’t in the EEA.

You can fly to Italy and sail up the coast to Monaco

You're wrong again:
The EEA links the EU member states and three EFTA states (Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

Greenland on the other hand isn't even on the EEA.

GocRh

GocRh wrote: »

For those of you claiming the green list is based on logic and reason:

- let's imagine everyone in Ireland follows government guidance and we crush covid. Our cases go to zero or near zero.
- infection rate will then drop even further
- so following the government's logic only Greenland will be on the green list???

Our reward for being responsible and following health guidance will be getting locked in the island of Ireland until there's a vaccine?

We don’t know that the criteria is less cases per 100,000 than us. It may simply be less than 5 per 100, 000 or some other calculation that we don’t know about. What it does appear to be however is based on some level of fact as the 15 countries are the places with the lowest case numbers in the EEA, plus Monaco, Gibraltar and San Marino which are completely surrounded by eea countries

Golf is my Game

Are the numbers bad in the Vatican City ? Thought that woud have made the list like San Marino.

GocRh

GocRh wrote: »

You're wrong again:
The EEA links the EU member states and three EFTA states (Iceland, Liechtenstein, and Norway)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

Greenland on the other hand isn't even on the EEA.

Apologies for my mistake on Iceland.

Greenland is an autonomous region of Denmark however.

And it appears the data on the ECDC website for Iceland is wrong and they are averaging 5 cases per day currently which pushes them well above us in cases per 100,000, so we are both wrong