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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #8822
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    forumdedum wrote: »
    My issue is based on an article I read a few days ago about how flushing the toilet can raise germs. It mentions wearing a mask and trying to stand well back etc.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/how-do-i-use-a-public-toilet-and-avoid-covid-19-1.4291025

    I watched one of those shows years back that shed light on the hidden germs about out house.

    A big one they mentioned was the toilet flush and even with the lid down, they were able to see that the aerosol spray made its way through the small bathroom.

    Toilets are big spreader of illness within a household, so Covid wouldn't be any different but if someone in your house has it, you'll most likely get it. It's the public toilets that are bad.

    I wouldn't let it stop you going on a staycation though, the likelihood of you catching this anywhere right now is still very very low.


  • #8823
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    skallywag wrote: »
    Can you throw an 'accurate death report' up from one of these countries, and we can then compare those numbers to those captured on the John Hopskins site?
    Eh, no. Would we not be "happier" by spreading more of the scaremongering news from the mass media?


  • #8824
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    One thing that is worth pointing out is that the daily case numbers they announce are not always trustworthy.

    It seems like sometimes we hold onto a backlog so it can be dropped in when needed the most. For example, a backlog was dropped in the night before the last cabinet meeting. And last week there was more backlog dropped in when they wanted it to look like cases were increasing.

    They also don't like to make it clear when the numbers of tests doubles. It is actually blatant corruption / manipulation.

    I watch out for posts from A Citizen Erased and Stephen on the main thread and also a bit on reddit. They make better sense of the numbers than our media.


  • #8825
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They also don't like to make it clear when the numbers of tests doubles. It is actually blatant corruption / manipulation.

    We are a very easily manipulated electorate. Generations of kowtowing to the Catholic Church have left us with a predisposition to defer to authority.


  • #8826
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Friends I have living in Paris, London and Amsterdam were infected just going about their days in those crowded places. You can be quite sure that if the capital of a place has been badly hit overall, they'll be leaving it off the green list. Just arriving in the airport or getting on a plane which will potentially have citizens from there will dramatically increase your chances of contracting covid in the course of your travel.

    You must have a seriously unlucky friend group.


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  • #8827
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    One thing that is worth pointing out is that the daily case numbers they announce are not always trustworthy.

    It seems like sometimes we hold onto a backlog so it can be dropped in when needed the most. For example, a backlog was dropped in the night before the last cabinet meeting. And last week there was more backlog dropped in when they wanted it to look like cases were increasing.

    They also don't like to make it clear when the numbers of tests doubles. It is actually blatant corruption / manipulation.

    I watch out for posts from A Citizen Erased and Stephen on the main thread and also a bit on reddit. They make better sense of the numbers than our media.

    Look there's certainly things in the approach by government that bother me greatly, but trying to suggest that NPHET, the HSE and themselves are holding onto cases to suit an agenda is ludicrous.

    The lags and discrepancies in reporting are most likely operational issues.


  • #8828
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Deleted User wrote: »
    One thing that is worth pointing out is that the daily case numbers they announce are not always trustworthy.

    It seems like sometimes we hold onto a backlog so it can be dropped in when needed the most. For example, a backlog was dropped in the night before the last cabinet meeting. And last week there was more backlog dropped in when they wanted it to look like cases were increasing.

    They also don't like to make it clear when the numbers of tests doubles. It is actually blatant corruption / manipulation.

    I watch out for posts from A Citizen Erased and Stephen on the main thread and also a bit on reddit. They make better sense of the numbers than our media.

    You need to lose the tinfoil mask.


  • #8829
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Allinall wrote: »
    You need to lose the tinfoil mask.

    Great for keeping the breath fresh.


  • #8830
    skallywag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Seweryn wrote: »
    Eh, no. Would we not be "happier" by spreading more of the scaremongering news from the mass media?

    Is this not you who posted this? Or have we two users with the same username?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114089387&postcount=8875


  • #8831
    TaurenDruid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,275 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I wouldn't let it stop you going on a staycation though

    Or, as we call it in the English language, "a holiday". ;)

    ===
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  • #8832
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You said it will most likely kill several million people not considered elderly by the end of the year and that’s the reality.

    You are wrong. That is NOT reality.

    Just over 600000 dead globally 7 months later is the actual reality.

    It's seriously worrying how many times this argument raises its head.

    Covid-19 is primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.

    So by reducing the amount of close contact or contaminated surfaces via lockdown/social distancing, less people were infected.

    Additionally, those that were infected had a greater chance of recovering due to the higher availability of hospital beds.

    If you want to argue the lockdown for economic reasons then that's fair enough but if you cannot grasp the logic behind the lockdown, which even a child could comprehend (ie. how diseases spread), then how can you possibly be taken seriously?


  • #8833
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Allinall wrote: »
    You need to lose the tinfoil mask.

    Just because you don't believe the government doesn't mean you're part of the tinfoil hat brigade. Its naive to think they wouldn't manipulate or massage the numbers to suit their narrative.
    In fact given the mixed messaging throughout I think its only right to throw a critical or cynical eye on what we're being told, by both the government and media.
    One thing that has amazed me is how quick the majority believed and followed everything they were told. And if you dared to question it you were met with a chorus of being an anti vaxxer or gemma oDoherty supporter. The ability to have a discussion from either side of an argument seems to be rare these days.


  • #8834
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭Allinall


    prunudo wrote: »
    Just because you don't believe the government doesn't mean you're part of the tinfoil hat brigade. Its naive to think they wouldn't manipulate or massage the numbers to suit their narrative.
    In fact given the mixed messaging throughout I think its only right to throw a critical or cynical eye on what we're being told, by both the government and media.
    One thing that has amazed me is how quick the majority believed and followed everything they were told. And if you dared to question it you were met with a chorus of being an anti vaxxer or gemma oDoherty supporter. The ability to have a discussion from either side of an argument seems to be rare these days.

    What would you think could be a possible motive for the government to manipulate the figures?


  • #8835
    Seweryn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,506 ✭✭✭Seweryn


    skallywag wrote: »
    Is this not you who posted this? Or have we two users with the same username?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114089387&postcount=8875
    No, you can't have two users with the same name as far as I know.

    And yes, I am correct, the number of deaths by Cov. officially reported are largely overestimated (if estimated is the right word).

    If you take Irish total death numbers for the first 4 months of the year and compare them with average for years 2017 - 2019, we are down by a good few %.
    Now, if you deduct the Cov. deaths (and compare like for like) then the numbers look too disproportionate with the gap being too large.


  • #8836
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Naos wrote: »
    It's seriously worrying how many times this argument raises its head.

    Covid-19 is primarily transmitted from symptomatic people to others who are in close contact through respiratory droplets, by direct contact with infected persons, or by contact with contaminated objects and surfaces.

    So by reducing the amount of close contact or contaminated surfaces via lockdown/social distancing, less people were infected.

    Additionally, those that were infected had a greater chance of recovering due to the higher availability of hospital beds.

    If you want to argue the lockdown for economic reasons then that's fair enough but if you cannot grasp the logic behind the lockdown, which even a child could comprehend (ie. how diseases spread), then how can you possibly be taken seriously?

    This argument has been down to death at this point but Sweden are PROOF that lockdown doesn't make much difference.

    They didn't lockdown and they don't have a huge death toll.
    Their figures could be better of course, and nobody denies that.

    Most countries went into lockdown thinking there would be more deaths than 5000 in a 10M population.


  • #8837
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,170 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Allinall wrote: »
    What would you think could be a possible motive for the government to manipulate the figures?

    For starters to cover their own failings and imply its the bad irresponsible public who are the reason the case/death numbers are higher than they are.
    I'm not saying they are manipulating the figures either. Just thats its naive to think they wouldn't.


  • #8838
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Allinall wrote: »
    What would you think could be a possible motive for the government to manipulate the figures?

    Ireland is the most reluctant country in Europe to get back to a level of normality.
    We've extended lockdown before.
    Pushed back homeware due to a "typo".
    Pushed back phase 4 of the reopening.
    Advised people against travel.
    Threatened to go back phases
    Have constantly finger waved at people and allowed a very negative media narrative to continue.

    It is not difficult to see that the plan is to keep the people scared and compliant.

    It is working too. Too many gullible people brainwashed by RTE.


  • #8839
    skallywag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Seweryn wrote: »
    And yes, I am correct, the number of deaths by Cov. officially reported are largely overestimated (if estimated is the right word).

    You clearly stated that the John Hopkins University site is overstating the true numbers.

    You then went on to say that one should 'get accurate death reports from any country and see for yourself'.

    I am now asking you to post the data or provide a link to what you are asking me to check. I have not found any 'accurate death reports' which contradict the data captured on the John Hopkins University site.

    Are you going to provide this data to back up your argument, or not?


  • #8840
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ireland is the most reluctant country in Europe to get back to a level of normality.
    We've extended lockdown before.
    Pushed back homeware due to a "typo".
    Pushed back phase 4 of the reopening.
    Advised people against travel.
    Threatened to go back phases
    Have constantly finger waved at people and allowed a very negative media narrative to continue.

    It is not difficult to see that the plan is to keep the people scared and compliant.

    It is working too. Too many gullible people brainwashed by RTE.

    Do you not know that other countries have gone into lockdown again and even done localised lockdowns? How do you explain that?


  • #8841
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Do you not know that other countries have gone into lockdown again and even done localised lockdowns? How do you explain that?

    Not quite a country but California have gone back into lockdown too.


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  • #8842
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    Not quite a country but California have gone back into lockdown too.

    The poster did reference Europe so I tried to stick to that with areas of Spain and the UK being obvious examples but you are correct. Also this idea that we are refusing to go back to normality is ridiculous. The only areas that are not open are large sporting events and pubs that don't serve food.


  • #8843
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    joeguevara wrote: »
    The poster did reference Europe so I tried to stick to that with areas of Spain and the UK being obvious examples but you are correct. Also this idea that we are refusing to go back to normality is ridiculous. The only areas that are not open are large sporting events and pubs that don't serve food.

    Max of 200 people can gather at an outdoor event. Hardly only large sporting events that people cannot access.


  • #8844
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Max of 200 people can gather at an outdoor event. Hardly only large sporting events that people cannot access.

    Most club gaa matches wont have more than 200 people at them.

    What doesn't it allow? And I don't see sporting events as stopping normality.


  • #8845
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    joeguevara wrote: »
    The poster did reference Europe so I tried to stick to that with areas of Spain and the UK being obvious examples but you are correct. Also this idea that we are refusing to go back to normality is ridiculous. The only areas that are not open are large sporting events and pubs that don't serve food.

    It isn't just pubs though. Pubs is a huge area. But there also lots of nightclubs that are not allowed to open and other entertainment venues.

    The whole entertainment industry relies on pubs, clubs and venues been open.
    Actors, musicians, comedians etc are all out of work since March.

    Most of the places that are open are running at extremely reduced capacities with the 2M distancing.

    There are still 350000 people receiving the Covid payment. That is all the evidence needed to know that its not just a few pubs still closed.

    It is obvious the government are reluctant to reopen. They would have used any excuse they could find to keep the pubs closed. They reluctantly had to allow the ones that sell food to open. They don't want nightclubs until a vaccine is found. They don't want people to travel. They don't appear to be making progress with how the schools will reopen.

    It couldn't be any clearer that they'd prefer to sit this out until somebody else gives us a vaccine and hopefully the EU will cover a chunk of our costs.


  • #8846
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Most club gaa matches wont have more than 200 people at them.

    What doesn't it allow? And I don't see sporting events as stopping normality.

    Most senior club championship games will easily have 200+ people at them, I would think. Certainly in Tipperary anyway it would be hard to get a meaningful senior or intermediate championship game with less than this.

    For some people, not being able to attend sporting events is quite definitely stopping normality.


  • #8847
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Most senior club championship games will easily have 200+ people at them, I would think. Certainly in Tipperary anyway it would be hard to get a meaningful senior or intermediate championship game with less than this.

    For some people, not being able to attend sporting events is quite definitely stopping normality.

    100% agree and Im on your side on this one. Being from Tipp but living in Dublin I am fully aware of how it is so important. But in the context of Ireland being the most backward in Europe and not opening up, I think we are doing quite well.


  • #8848
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Most club gaa matches wont have more than 200 people at them.

    What doesn't it allow? And I don't see sporting events as stopping normality.

    There is nothing normal about this country currently. We can’t travel abroad. We can’t stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes. No talk on the 2m social distancing and the queue outside shops and cafes etc. All pubs shut down cinemas likewise. Sporting events curtailed massively ditto. Church services etc. The list goes on. Normal it certainly isn’t.


  • #8849
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    There is nothing normal about this country currently. We can’t travel abroad. We can’t stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes. No talk on the 2m social distancing and the queue outside shops and cafes etc. All pubs shut down cinemas likewise. Sporting events curtailed massively ditto. Church services etc. The list goes on. Normal it certainly isn’t.

    Well... The official advise is NOT to travel and to cancel your holidays. But you might not get a refund. And we are going to publish a Green List. But then the green list is delayed. And now the tanaiste is publically questioning why we would publish a green list at all if the advise is not to travel...

    Did I mention the word farce yet?


  • #8850
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,878 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    There is nothing normal about this country currently. We can’t travel abroad. We can’t stay in a restaurant for more than 105 minutes. No talk on the 2m social distancing and the queue outside shops and cafes etc. All pubs shut down cinemas likewise. Sporting events curtailed massively ditto. Church services etc. The list goes on. Normal it certainly isn’t.

    You totally can.


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  • #8851
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    You totally can.

    Unfortunately I’m my job it’s impossible with the quarantine restrictions but I take your point. My point about things not being normal stands.


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