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Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

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    #4292
    cnocbui
    Registered Users Posts: 19,918 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Eod100 wrote: »
    That said a bus driver who enforced it in France died after being assaulted. Shocking.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/10/philippe-monguillot-french-bus-driver-dies-following-attack-passengers-refused-wear-masks?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594406679

    That was probably as much about them avoiding paying the fare.
    Philippe Monguillo Attacked By a Gang of Fare-dodgers in Bayonne
    July 7, 2020

    The French bus driver was named 58-year-old Philippe Monguillot after an attack by passengers who refused to wear face masks – said his wife ‘lives in the nightmare’.

    Mr. Monguillot, a father of three, drifted from the driver’s seat and was brutally beaten by the gang of mouse-smugglers while trying to enforce the rules of coronavirus on the bus in Bayonne.

    The five-gang gang, identified by prosecutors as ‘more or less’ drug users, faces criminal charges, but has not yet been released to the public.

    58-year-old Philippe Monguillot faced passengers who did not comply with a rule that requires face masks in public transport while boarding without tickets until 19:00. On Sunday...
    ...

    Ms. Monguillot said the gang of five was known to her husband and had a discussion about unpaid wages earlier in the day.
    https://wikitrusted.com/philippe-monguillo-attacked-by-a-gang/


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    #4293
    [Deleted User]
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Latest testing data

    Tests conducted last 24 hours 9329

    Positive test results last 24 hours 21

    Much better today.

    There must be a lot of other doses going round if that many are getting tested.


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    #4294
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Few posters on here that joined a few months back seem to just stir the sh*t. Probably count them on 1 hand and its the same every day they contribute nothing except you are wrong etc, show me where, what numbers, blah blah blah.

    Your comment contributes what exactly?


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    #4295
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Can you name who these people are rather than referring to this mystery cult

    I wouldn’t worry, maybe not in 2020 but the “ positivity posse” will get the last say in the end ;-)


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    #4296
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,208 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    That's simple enough Maths and we can see if there's a trend here

    17 cases now versus 9 then is nearly double

    So if we're doing double the amount of tests we were back at the end of June then it more of less balances out. I know there's other variables at play but broadly speaking that should make sense

    Anyone got the data of testing back at the end of June and is it more or less half the amount we're testing now?

    So before the testing of nursing homes etc kicked off again, on June 26th so 2 weeks ago we took roughly 3,000 swabs that day, on the 26th we had 3 deaths and 11 cases.

    In the last 24hrs,
    Tests conducted last 24 hours = 9329
    Positive test results last 24 hours = 21

    An additional 10 cases for an over an additional 6,000 tests. We've increased testing and finding roughly an additional 10 cases per day from when we were doing a third of the tests we are now.

    More you test more you find, can only be a good thing.


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    #4297
    Zonda999
    Registered Users Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    Deleted User wrote: »
    There must be a lot of other doses going round if that many are getting tested.

    high numbers of tests is a very good thing, even if the rates of positives is tiny. If that keeps up, any clusters will be quickly identified


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    #4298
    Ae Fond Kiss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭Ae Fond Kiss


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    I doubt that crucial piece of information will be in the Irish media narrative, they will simply state there has been a "surge" in Spain

    Europe has largely opened up, it would be expected that cases will rise. the alternative was keeping locked down forever which could not happen.

    I as much as the next person would love if it were possible for us or any European country to lock down a la New Zealand and really eradicate this thing. The problem is al you have to take is one look at an atlas to realise that that cannot be done. Cautious re-opening where by people are vigilant and measures are enshrined in law (Such as the wearing of masks or the way in which pubs are allowed operate) is the way forward.

    Even when you take out the antibody figures there is a substantial rise. 241 cases yesterday to 333 today, almost a third increase.

    It's only over a few days to a week but a trend nonetheless, like Portugal. Good figures from Germany.

    There's no denying there are notable rises in many countries. Of course they will happen as society opens up. But they need to be watched and travel to and from areas with rising cases dealt with.


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    #4299
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Sensible post.

    I would dispute your assertion that it is a sensible post. All it is, is nonsensical absolutes.

    For example the ridiculous assertion that we can't do what New Zealand are doing is obvious because they are further away from everywhere else is patent nonsense, of course we could easily do it if we had the political will to do it, we just don't.


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    #4300
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Cases are going to rise. People need to understand this. Of course they are going to rise when restrictions are lifted and things open back up. We just need to hope that what they rise to is a low enough number and it stays hovering around that. Similar to how a lot of places in Europe have been for many weeks now.

    If we start seeing big jumps week to week. Then maybe it's time to start worrying and looking at where they are coming from. And getting tougher with more targeted measures. But for now, it's pointless panicking for something that that was expected. The hospitals are virtually empty of Covid. And if more young people are getting it now, they may not require hospitalization as much as the older demographic back when it first started. Also just need a majority of people having a bit of cop on and doing their best to keep themselves and others safe.

    One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.


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    #4301
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There must be a lot of other doses going round if that many are getting tested.

    Any healthcare worker gets regularly tested. I was talking to a maintenance man that works in a nursing home, also a nursing home worker, they now have to be tested every week.


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    #4302
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Zonda999 wrote: »
    high numbers of tests is a very good thing, even if the rates of positives is tiny. If that keeps up, any clusters will be quickly identified

    Not necessarily, high numbers of tests on their own won't do it if they are not sensibly targeted of if people with mild symptoms don't come forward for testing.

    Look how far those meat factories went before being picked up and that was at a much higher level of lock down.


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    #4303
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    I would dispute your assertion that it is a sensible post. All it is, is nonsensical absolutes.

    For example the ridiculous assertion that we can't do what New Zealand are doing is obvious because they are further away from everywhere else is patent nonsense, of course we could easily do it if we had the political will to do it, we just don't.

    Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.
    Dispute all you wish, unfortunately though disputing facts is quite tough.


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    #4304
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Any healthcare worker gets regularly tested. I was talking to a maintenance man that works in a nursing home, also a nursing home worker, they now have to be tested every week.

    Not all....I’m a healthcare worker working “on the frontline “ since this kicked off and have never been tested...


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    #4305
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    Not all....I’m a healthcare worker working “on the frontline “ since this kicked off and have never been tested...

    The ones i have spoken too have, and hse workers i have been talking to aswell.

    Something seriously wrong if you’re not being tested.


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    #4306
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users Posts: 6,008 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The ones i have spoken too have, and hse workers i have been talking to aswell.

    Something seriously wrong if you’re not being tested.

    Nope,not the policy locally...


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    #4307
    Zonda999
    Registered Users Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Zonda999


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Cases are going to rise. People need to understand this. Of course they are going to rise when restrictions are lifted and things open back up. We just need to hope that what they rise to is a low enough number and it stays hovering around that. Similar to how a lot of places in Europe have been for many weeks now.

    If we start seeing big jumps week to week. Then maybe it's time to start worrying and looking at where they are coming from. And getting tougher with more targeted measures. But for now, it's pointless panicking for something that that was expected. The hospitals are virtually empty of Covid. And if more young people are getting it now, they may not require hospitalization as much as the older demographic back when it first started. Also just need a majority of people having a bit of cop on and doing their best to keep themselves and others safe.

    One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.

    I agree, American passport holders should not be allowed into the country at the current time. However, the time to do that was weeks or months ago and I suspect the government would be very slow to do this now. Not just because of the the high level of American investment in this country but also because it would be highly conspicuous at this point.

    Thats before you consider the fact that they can just come in through Belfast.


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    #4308
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Actually this thread refers to Ireland/ NI deaths and cases.

    When it suits


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    #4309
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I wouldn’t worry, maybe not in 2020 but the “ positivity posse” will get the last say in the end ;-)

    Unless of course you are dead. But, I guess you won't give a **** about it then.


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    #4310
    spookwoman
    Registered Users Posts: 9,922 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Not necessarily, high numbers of tests on their own won't do it if they are not sensibly targeted of if people with mild symptoms don't come forward for testing.

    Look how far those meat factories went before being picked up and that was at a much higher level of lock down.

    The more testing the better but we also have a problem where people are not getting tested when contacted by hse on contact tracing.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0706/1151751-ireland-contact-tracing-app/


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    #4311
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Unless of course you are dead. But, I guess you won't give a **** about it then.

    I’m laughing at the hysteria in that post.

    I better get my affairs and will in order, have you? Better hurry up.


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    #4312
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-second-wave-of-covid-hits-israel-like-a-tsunami?via=twitter_page

    How Israel went from 'golden child' of COVID19 management to shutdowns again.

    “Israel is heading to a dangerous place,” she wrote in an 8,000-word indictment of the government’s failure to prepare in any way for a resurgence of illness.

    “Despite systematic and repeated warnings through various channels, and discussions in several forums, we are watching with frustration as the hourglass of opportunities runs low,” she warned.

    “I have come to the conclusion that in the newly created conditions under which my professional opinion is not accepted—I can no longer help to effectively cope with the spread of the virus.”

    All this may sound familiar to Americans in the many states where the virus infections are now spiking. But … it gets worse.

    During the six wasted weeks, the period singled out by Sadetzki, schools were chaotically reopened and then, as infections soared, re-shuttered. Parents were unable to foresee re-entering the workforce. The public was instructed to wear masks—but no system of enforcement was put into place. The lists of permitted and prohibited activities shifted daily, with little or no explanation. While Netanyahu actively pursued his (since scuttled) dream of annexing significant parts of the occupied West Bank, the number of people diagnosed with COVID-19 multiplied by 499 percent.

    Ashdod, a city on the Mediterranean coast, emerged as a top locus of infection, but no Israeli official could explain why the breezy, fun beach town, where citizens live outdoors during the summer, gained almost 700 COVID-19 patients during the month of June.


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    #4313
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,753 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

    One thing that needs to happen though is stopping tourists coming here on flights from countries where it's rampant. The wife has family over here from Flagstaff which is in a state full of Covid. Her cousin, the husband, 2 kids and 3 adults from their extended family. The wife showed me one of their Facebook things and she has anto mask videos up. And of course they're down in Glendaloch today having arrived on Wednesday and Guinness store house tomorrow. No self isolating at all. Can't be having that ****e. If the risk of someone catching it in their own country is much higher than here. Then they shouldn't be here now.

    But but but but they signed a pinky promise paper.


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    #4314
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Your post and position falls apart when you factor in we are not one island nation , we are also part of a wider Union of countries.
    Dispute all you wish, unfortunately though disputing facts is quite tough.

    How do you know what I wish?


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    #4315
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,208 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    The regulations for transport as their written, transport unions say they wont be enforcing it. NTA saying drivers or inspectors can call Gardai. Luas and Dart going to be an issue there and Gardai won't spend their day running around after buses or trains.

    Anyway

    "If then the person fails to cooperate with gardaí, they can face arrest and prosecution, which could lead to a €2,500 fine and/or 6 months in prison.

    Children under the age of 13 will also be exempt from wearing face coverings on public transport, as per the HSE guidelines.

    People with trouble breathing, people who cannot remove a face covering without help and people with special needs and who may feel upset or uncomfortable wearing a face covering will also not have to wear them on public transport."


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    #4316
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    spookwoman wrote: »
    The more testing the better but we also have a problem where people are not getting tested when contacted by hse on contact tracing.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0706/1151751-ireland-contact-tracing-app/

    Only up to a point, testing costs money. Resources have to be sensiblely used.


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    #4317
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I’m laughing at the hysteria in that post.

    I better get my affairs and will in order, have you? Better hurry up.

    What hysteria, I was replying to a silly post, with a silly counter point. I guess you must be part of the possie the citizen was asking about.

    I thought you were joking, with the smile.


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    #4318
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,696 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The regulations for transport as their written, transport unions say they wont be enforcing it. NTA saying drivers or inspectors can call Gardai. Luas and Dart going to be an issue there and Gardai won't spend their day running around after buses or trains.

    Think this is one of many reasons why we need dedicated transport Gardai


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    #4319
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    What hysteria, I was replying to a silly post, with a silly counter point. I guess you must be part of the possie the citizen was asking about

    No it wasn’t a silly post it’s fact pandemics come and go, . The word “go” is key. I have seen other hysteria posts from you in the past.


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    #4320
    Jay Dee
    Registered Users Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Jay Dee


    Hi,

    Sorry for the delay, I just made the connection,.. What does " hello " mean,.. !!!!!
    Didn't see it at all !!!.

    Anyway, can you point me, to where the figures are county based ??

    Thanks

    Jay


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    #4321
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users Posts: 15,208 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think this is one of many reasons why we need dedicated transport Gardai

    Yup agree. Should have been done years ago. Been on many buses where its had stones thrown and windows broken, driver asks control for Gardai and 30 mins later still sitting there. They'll send a car when one comes free


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