Is it just me or have SF vanished?

McMurphy · 09-07-2020 11:12AM

christy c wrote: »

I'm fully up to date with the hand waving, thanks anyway.

Sorry, it's just who's engaging in it you're having difficulties with is it?

christy c · 09-07-2020 11:13AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Sorry, it's just who's engaging in it you're having difficulties with is it?

Not having difficulties at all.

McMurphy · 09-07-2020 11:16AM

christy c wrote: »

Not having difficulties at all.

Evidently you are Christopher, you made a series of brainfart posts about handwaving, can you perhaps point to whom was engaging in it?

I'll give you a fools pardon if you've misread posts btw.

It's sh1t or get off the pot time.

joeguevara · 09-07-2020 11:17AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

Memory issues to contend with also. Posted yesterday.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-recovery-plan

Indoor activities involving larger number of individuals where social distancing can be maintained for individuals who do not share a household connection. Outdoor activities involving larger groups of less than 30 people during which it may be difficult to maintain social distancing but where contacts are brief (less than 10 minutes).

Ok. This is my issue. I asked what Law Sinn Fein broke or indeed the individual from Sin Fein broke. I know that you have quoted specific rules, and thanks for taking the time to do so.

But it is unclear (and its not your fault) what the actual breach is and who would receive a fine. It appears to be the organiser of the event which in this case would be the family of the deceased and not the individuals themselves. Also, who is to say that the people from Sinn Fein leadership who are being denigrated are not within the first 30 people which is allowed and therefore they have not broken any 'rules'.

The fact that there is no actual published law which can be tested, reviewed, see if its strict liability or a reasonable test etc means calling for resignations (not you)a strange scenario. It appears that the fines or 'penalty notices' as set out in the newspaper articles are for failing to follow the direction of the police officer rather than for any orgignal offence. So any report of reviewing footage to determine offences is posturing.

christy c · 09-07-2020 11:20AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Evidently you are Christopher, you made a series of brainfart posts about handwaving, can you perhaps point to whom was engaging in it?

I'll give you a fools pardon if you've misread posts btw.

It's sh1t or get off the pot time.

First post from yourself "Anyway, that was reported on back in 2013 - old news in other words."- nice bit of handwaving.

What was that about brainfarts and fool's pardons?

Mortelaro · 09-07-2020 11:25AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Ok. This is my issue. I asked what Law Sinn Fein broke or indeed the individual from Sin Fein broke. I know that you have quoted specific rules, and thanks for taking the time to do so.

The UK covid19 emergency act 2020 Linked to you pages back which gave the suite of powers to the police throughout the UK and the devolved governments the power to decide the offences

McMurphy · 09-07-2020 11:25AM

christy c wrote: »

First post from yourself "Anyway, that was reported on back in 2013 - old news in other words."- nice bit of handwaving.

What was that about brainfarts and fool's pardons?

The poster I replied to questioned why the IRA have been quiet on Buckley's breathalyser test.

I replied that apart from them being disbanded for over twenty years, it was already in the public domain. Unless of course the poster was suggesting the Ra should regroup and issue a statement on an already 7 year old news article.

**Whoosh**

As I said - fools pardon has been issued.

Now, any examples of this handwaving?

christy c · 09-07-2020 11:32AM

McMurphy wrote: »

The poster I replied to questioned why the IRA have been quiet on Buckley's breathalyser test.

I replied that apart from them being disbanded for over twenty years, it was already in the public domain. Unless of course the poster was suggesting the Ra should regroup and issue a statement on an already 7 year old news article.

**Whoosh**

As I said - fools pardon has been issued.

Now, any examples of this handwaving?

Whoosh, LOL.

I have you an example of you handwaving the story away by saying it was old news. Seems you had your own whoosh moment.

Happyilylost · 09-07-2020 11:33AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Ok. This is my issue. I asked what Law Sinn Fein broke or indeed the individual from Sin Fein broke. I know that you have quoted specific rules, and thanks for taking the time to do so.

But it is unclear (and its not your fault) what the actual breach is and who would receive a fine. It appears to be the organiser of the event which in this case would be the family of the deceased and not the individuals themselves. Also, who is to say that the people from Sinn Fein leadership who are being denigrated are not within the first 30 people which is allowed and therefore they have not broken any 'rules'.

The fact that there is no actual published law which can be tested, reviewed, see if its strict liability or a reasonable test etc means calling for resignations (not you)a strange scenario. It appears that the fines or 'penalty notices' as set out in the newspaper articles are for failing to follow the direction of the police officer rather than for any orgignal offence. So any report of reviewing footage to determine offences is posturing.

This is the name of the legislation that was introduced on the 28.3.2020.

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2020

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2020/55/contents/made

I'm going to have to leave it at that. I don't know enough about it. Nor in a position to work through it. The wording is I think made intentionally vague to give the PSNI as wide a scope of powers as possible. The PSNI have handed out fines for gatherings. They felt it necessary to look into this gathering. I'll leave it to the PSNI to decide if a law was broken.

McMurphy · 09-07-2020 11:36AM

christy c wrote: »

Whoosh, LOL.

I have you an example of you handwaving the story away by saying it was old news. Seems you had your own whoosh moment.

Poorly researched argument Christopher, and you should feel bad.

Yeah_Right · 09-07-2020 11:42AM

maccored wrote: »

my god - what kind of debating is that? no longer OPERATIONAL means THEY NO LONGER DO ANYTHING regardless if the name is still there or not. A name is a bunch of letters and pretty useless if the body it represents is no longer operational

Theres time I wonder how some people can figure out how to open a door.

Are you sure the IRA are no longer operational? Didn't they carry out some bomb, grenade and mortar attacks on the PSNI last year? I thought they also planted bombs in a London train station and airport recently. Lyra McKee was murdered last year. Wasn't there foiled plan to explode a bomb on Brexit Day? Sure, they're no longer operational :rolleyes:

Truthvader · 09-07-2020 11:44AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If the GAA, Soccer Club, Golf Club want to show their respect as a 'group' at a funeral...what do they do? The wear shirts and club tie.

You can review photos of the state funeral to see recent examples of this.

As ever Francie you just don't get it.

A state funeral for a brave member of the Guards who served this country proudly and selflessly in the Uniform of the Guards is not comparable to the funeral of a thug who was a member of a criminal gang.

The comparison to a "club" is pitiful

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2020 12:00PM

Truthvader wrote: »

As ever Francie you just don't get it.

A state funeral for a brave member of the Guards who served this country proudly and selflessly in the Uniform of the Guards is not comparable to the funeral of a thug who was a member of a criminal gang.

The comparison to a "club" is pitiful

How many people at that funeral in Belfast are off the opinion they were at the funeral of a 'thug' and a 'member of a criminal gang' ?

If you don't accept the analogy of a 'club' then you haven't a hope of undetstanding.
Perhaps one has already made ones mind up?

Truthvader · 09-07-2020 12:24PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How many people at that funeral in Belfast are off the opinion they were at the funeral of a 'thug' and a 'member of a criminal gang' ?

If you don't accept the analogy of a 'club' then you haven't a hope of undetstanding.
Perhaps one has already made ones mind up?

One certainly has

dundalkfc10 · 09-07-2020 01:04PM

We still talking about a funeral last week in Belfast.

blanch152 · 09-07-2020 02:10PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

We still talking about a funeral last week in Belfast.

Yes, it seems the stories go on and on.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0708/1152037-bobby-storey-funeral/

"The council has described a decision to allow Mr Storey's family to hold a private service at Roselawn Crematorium last Tuesday, while eight other families were not permitted to do so, as "an error of judgement".

In a joint statement this afternoon its Chief Executive Suzanne Wylie and senior officer Nigel Grimshaw said they recognised the events were "unacceptable".

They also apologised to the other families "wholeheartedly and unreservedly"."

It seems that everyone is apologising apart from Sinn Fein.

We were told on this thread only a few pages ago that it was standard practice to cancel these other cremations. Not so, it seems. Was there another lie peddled by those defending Sinn Fein?

blanch152 · 09-07-2020 02:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If the GAA, Soccer Club, Golf Club want to show their respect as a 'group' at a funeral...what do they do? The wear shirts and club tie.

You can review photos of the state funeral to see recent examples of this.

So what group were in uniform at the Storey funeral?

We would recognise the colours of a GAA, Soccer or rugby club, so who were the men in white shirts representing?

James Brown · 09-07-2020 02:20PM

rdwight wrote: »

You seem a little confused, Bowie. Surprising since one thing we Irish consider ourselves experts on is funerals.

Crematoriums are sometimes located in graveyards eg Mount Jerome and Glasnevin in Dublin. In some cases the main funeral service takes place in a church or chapel elsewhere and a short final service is conducted in the crematorium before, as you put it, the coffin goes behind a curtain. Since you don't seem to know what happens then, the answer is that the body is burned.

In other cases, particularly for non-religious funerals, the entire service is conducted in the crematorium.

The issue with Strorey funeral is that thousands of people went from the church to Milltown cemetery when the crematorium was in fact several miles in a different direction. Turning funerals into political circuses is a well established SF/IRA custom, but doing so in the middle of a pandemic is particularly crass.

How is my saying I don't know and telling what I witnessed 'confused'? You wouldn't be trying to make it sound like something it isn't? You might not be use to straight talk.
Now you proceed to tell me how funerals work sometimes backing up my descriptions.
Cremations mean the body gets burned? You don't say? :rolleyes:

So you didn't like there funeral because the traditional escorting of the coffin wasn't to your liking because of who the man was. So what?
We long covered the covid/health angle. The macabre boys had issue with the mechanics of the funeral. That's the creepy vent you've chimed in on.

Desperate lads.

blanch152 · 09-07-2020 02:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

How is my saying I don't know and telling what I witnessed 'confused'? You wouldn't be trying to make it sound like something it isn't? You might not be use to straight talk.
Now you proceed to tell me how funerals work sometimes backing up my descriptions.
Cremations mean the body gets burned? You don't say? :rolleyes:

So you didn't like there funeral because the traditional escorting of the coffin wasn't to your liking because of who the man was. So what?

Desperate lads.

Are you suggesting that Sinn Fein were allowed carry out the traditional escorting of the coffin during a pandemic when others were not allowed do that?

One rule for Sinn Fein, one rule for ordinary people.

James Brown · 09-07-2020 02:27PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So what group were in uniform at the Storey funeral?

We would recognise the colours of a GAA, Soccer or rugby club, so who were the men in white shirts representing?

Look at these in their white shirts and black ties. You should get Charlie to reform the RIC and investigate.

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2020/0709/1152313-funeral-laois-brothers/

Can the family and mourners expect your bile or do these people get a pass like Horkan's?
Nitpicking a funeral to score a point. When you call one into question you are criticising them all equally even though you can't bring yourself to accept that.

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that Sinn Fein were allowed carry out the traditional escorting of the coffin during a pandemic when others were not allowed do that?

One rule for Sinn Fein, one rule for ordinary people.

No idea.

Are you saying if my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle?
So you support gender reassignment, good to know, fair play.

Jaysus blanch, have you checked if the tyres on the cars were bald?

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2020 02:32PM

blanch152 wrote: »

So what group were in uniform at the Storey funeral?

We would recognise the colours of a GAA, Soccer or rugby club, so who were the men in white shirts representing?

I said already I 'presume it was members of SF', and I have some evidence that it was SF members who were asked to turn out in black ties and white shirts. If you look for the text Colum Eastwood put into the public domain you will see that evidence.

Now, to you and the others suggesting they were representing anybody else, please put up what evidence you have of that? Or is it the usual, hideous society you want us all to live in, where an allegation is enough to decide the guilt of selected people and party's?

Hamsterchops · 09-07-2020 02:57PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said already I 'presume it was members of SF', and I have some evidence that it was SF members who were asked to turn out in black ties and white shirts. If you look for the text Colum Eastwood put into the public domain you will see that evidence.

Now, to you and the others suggesting they were representing anybody else, please put up what evidence you have of that? Or is it the usual, hideous society you want us all to live in, where an allegation is enough to decide the guilt of selected people and party's?

But Storey was a member of said terrorist organisation, so it would would it not, be strange if they (the Provos) didn't appear is some form at his funeral. I mean, after all the effort he put into furthering their aims they must have been there in force somewhere, maybe 'hiding in plain sight' in the white shirts? Possibly?

James Brown · 09-07-2020 03:11PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But Storey was a member of said terrorist organisation, so it would would it not, be strange if they (the Provos) didn't appear is some form at his funeral. I mean, after all the effort he put into furthering their aims they must have been there in force somewhere, maybe 'hiding in plain sight' in the white shirts? Possibly?

I believe they achieved enough to put down guns and turn to politics. So fair play if he helped with that.
Likely there were numerous former IRA there.
Are you criticising them for not forming an illegal armed guard?

Truthvader · 09-07-2020 03:24PM

Bowie wrote: »

I believe they achieved enough to put down guns and turn to politics. So fair play if he helped with that.
Likely there were numerous former IRA there.
Are you criticising them for not forming an illegal armed guard?

Not killing at random in exchange for seizing power is not "fair play". It is a thug and a bully getting his own way

Plus they reserve the right to kill you if they really want you dead - or to rob a bank or launder diesel etc if they need money.

James Brown · 09-07-2020 03:26PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Not killing at random in exchange for seizing power is not "fair play". It is a thug and a bully getting his own way

Plus they reserve the right to kill you if they really want you dead - or to rob a bank or launder diesel etc if they need money.

You might be right. What I said was, "I believe they achieved enough to put down guns and turn to politics. So fair play if he helped with that."
Nul points.

Illegal military gonna illegal military.

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2020 04:14PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

But Storey was a member of said terrorist organisation, so it would would it not, be strange if they (the Provos) didn't appear is some form at his funeral. I mean, after all the effort he put into furthering their aims they must have been there in force somewhere, maybe 'hiding in plain sight' in the white shirts? Possibly?

Anything is possible. Could have been aliens there too.
Depends on the level of proof you have though whether I believe you though.

SF asked members to show up in B/W. I see nothing yet to change my view on that.

Truthvader · 09-07-2020 04:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anything is possible. Could have been aliens there too.
Depends on the level of proof you have though whether I believe you though.

SF asked members to show up in B/W. I see nothing yet to change my view on that.

Good man Francie .The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

Where's the "proof" Gerry was in the IRA, where's the "proof" Bobby robbed the Northern Bank, where's the "proof" Paul Quinn or Joe Rafferty were murdered by the IRA, where's the "proof" men in white shirts were not just Leeds United supporters on the rip in Belfast, where's the proof Daniel Kinahan has any connection to drugs at all - sorry wrong gang

On it goes; but like your "Tiocfeadh ar la" sloganeering everyone knows what the budget uniformed presence at St Bobby's funeral really means and everyone knows what Sinn Fein mean when the "urge" people to give information to the PSNI or when your local community activist/ committed republican lets you know he would "appreciate it" if you could do or not do something.

Play away on your "proof game" but try not to assume everyone else is a fool

dundalkfc10 · 09-07-2020 05:10PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Good man Francie .The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

Where's the "proof" Gerry was in the IRA, where's the "proof" Bobby robbed the Northern Bank, where's the "proof" Paul Quinn or Joe Rafferty were murdered by the IRA, where's the "proof" men in white shirts were not just Leeds United supporters on the rip in Belfast, where's the proof Daniel Kinahan has any connection to drugs at all - sorry wrong gang

On it goes; but like your "Tiocfeadh ar la" sloganeering everyone knows what the budget uniformed presence at St Bobby's funeral really means and everyone knows what Sinn Fein mean when the "urge" people to give information to the PSNI or when your local community activist/ committed republican lets you know he would "appreciate it" if you could do or not do something.

Play away on your "proof game" but try not to assume everyone else is a fool

You planning on voting Sinn Féin in future too, great to see

FrancieBrady · 09-07-2020 05:57PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Good man Francie .The road goes on forever and the party never ends.

Where's the "proof" Gerry was in the IRA, where's the "proof" Bobby robbed the Northern Bank, where's the "proof" Paul Quinn or Joe Rafferty were murdered by the IRA, where's the "proof" men in white shirts were not just Leeds United supporters on the rip in Belfast, where's the proof Daniel Kinahan has any connection to drugs at all - sorry wrong gang

On it goes; but like your "Tiocfeadh ar la" sloganeering everyone knows what the budget uniformed presence at St Bobby's funeral really means and everyone knows what Sinn Fein mean when the "urge" people to give information to the PSNI or when your local community activist/ committed republican lets you know he would "appreciate it" if you could do or not do something.

Play away on your "proof game" but try not to assume everyone else is a fool

So everyone...including Unionists, the British, the various monitoring bodies are looking at the 'RA, 1800 strong openly parading the streets of Belfast and doing nothing about it?

Cool story.

Mortelaro · 09-07-2020 06:27PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So everyone...including Unionists, the British, the various monitoring bodies are looking at the 'RA, 1800 strong openly parading the streets of Belfast and doing nothing about it?

Cool story.

Funerals aren't touched, they just get lip service
Its just such a pity so many ordinary funerals stuck by the numbers rule resulting in more grief
As Sinn Féin have shown, it was all for nothing

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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