Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

Spook_ie · 26-06-2020 4:47pm

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RecreationandCulture/DublinCityParks/Documents/ParksBye-Laws2D.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjd04Th8p_qAhXAXhUIHaZJB7oQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2xTip_dPtx7sFAjg6mco6e

Section 4.6.g

Though it is unclear if they classify bicycles as vehicles or not.

4.6 TRAFFIC, BICYCLES, SKATEBOARDS ETC.
(a) No person shall cycle or use any skateboard, roller skates, roller blades,
or other vehicle in any park or open space except on such routes and in
such places as may be designated by the Council for that purpose.
(b) No person shall leave any vehicle unattended in any park or open space,
except in such places as may be set aside as standing or parking places.
(c) No person other than employees or agents of the Council shall drive or
be a passenger in a mechanically propelled vehicle in any park or open
space except on authorised routes.
(d) No person shall wheel a non-mechanical vehicle in any park or open
space except on authorised routes.
(e) Bye-Law 4.6(a) and 4.6(d) shall not apply to:
(1) bicycles or tricycles ridden by children under the age of 10 years
who are accompanied by and under the care of an adult
(2) bicycles using designated cycle lanes.
(f) All persons to whom Bye-laws 4.6 (a), 4.6 (c) and 4.6(d) apply shall
stop when called upon to do so by signal or otherwise by an employee
or agent of the Council or by a member of An Garda Síochána.
(g) The speed limit for all vehicles on authorised routes in any park or open
space shall be ten kilometres per hour.

TaurenDruid · 26-06-2020 4:47pm

Hurrache wrote: »

How many motorways are there in Ireland in which there's 3 lanes and the speed limit is 120?

Well, there's the circular one that goes all the way around Dublin that I'd use reasonably frequently.

You should stay indoors, what with all the accidents you're involved in and fear of cyclists in the city centre. Ever think it may be you?

I have never been involved in an "accident" involving a cyclist or another car. I've been hit twice by cyclists, so two incidents. "All" would seem a bit of a stretch for two incidents. No, it's not me, it's plenty of other people, too.

TaurenDruid · 26-06-2020 4:49pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So signage painted on the ground? Again which particular parks you're seeing this in would be helpful.

How would it be helpful?

Is it ok for a cyclist to break this posted speed limit?

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 5:04pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, there's the circular one that goes all the way around Dublin that I'd use reasonably frequently.

And the speed limit in the section on that circular that had 3 lanes, like I asked?

Duckjob · 26-06-2020 5:20pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Wrong on pretty much all counts.

Cycling's great. Lots of my friends and family are into it. The more people who cycle, the fewer who are in cars, the faster my bus can get me to work or home, when I'm back on public transport. Personally, I prefer running. But am looking at e-bikes and thinking, maybe...

I fully support segregated cycling infrastructure. The Liffey cycle track is great and I really like the green light for cyclists a few seconds earlier than for motorists.

I've no problem hanging back when I come across a couple of cyclists on a back road, or a main road for that matter, until I can safely pass, and teaching my son to drive at the moment, I emphasise the need to give cyclists space and to beware possibly erratic cycling as they avoid potholes or idiots opening car doors without looking.

I'd just like to be able to walk or run on the footpath without having to dodge cyclists (again, cos apparently it needs to be repeated, I'm not bothered by young kids on bikes on the footpath), and not see them fly through red lights, whether it's for pedestrians or anyone using the road.

Doesn't seem too much to ask, really.

I don't think there's anything unreasonable in any of that.

Leaving aside all the other various noise in this thread, here's my personal take on cycling on footpaths:

1) I sometimes ride on the footpath along with the kids. Reason I dont let them ride on the footpath and ride on the road myself is that on some of the roads, going at their speed on the side of the road makes me feel like a sitting duck (pun not intended) for some drivers that are lacking in the patience department.

2) When on my own, or with other experience riders, I happy enough to ride on roads. I can't say I never ride on footpaths because the general quality of some of our infrastructure is so bad that sometimes shared path etc have complete lack of decent signage. I have sometimes gotten the feeling that a shared path I was on already finished and is now just a footpath and I was somehow supposed to know this.

3) If my partner, who is much less experienced riding on Irish roads) went out, I would feel much safer if she takes the footpath in certain areas, because TBH I see too much impatient and downright dangerous behavior by drivers to feel confident that I can trust them to keep my loved ones safe when they are so vulnerable on the road.

4) I would expect my partner, or anyone who uses a footpath while on the bike to display absolute courtesy and respect to anyone they encounter walking on footpaths at the same time. I always impress this on my kids that in using the footpaths they should considers themselves guests and always give priority and respect to those walking.

5) I've no time for the tossers you see around the city centre that bully their way through people on footpaths - they should be dealt with, without a doubt.

6) To re-use your phrase, I just want for me, and my loved ones to be able to get from A to B on a bike without having to risk our lives. That doesn't seem too much to ask to me.

I find the roads today incredibly hostile towards people on bikes and I can't really understand why.

I find, even as someone who's pretty confident on a bike, there's certain rural roads near me that I still have to mentally "armour myself up" before I ride on them. The reason being, some driver behavior is bad - ranging from casually careless to full-on psychotic towards people on bikes. Given those attitudes are on display, I don't condemn anyone who uses an available footpath (respectfully, as above) out of fear of how certain drivers drive.

For some reason, driver behavior varies wildly according to whether I am together with my family (ah, that's nice, a family out for a cycle together), or out by myself (male, middle aged cyclist - teach the f**ker a lesson !). I think the fact that this diversity of driver care exists is indicative of a big bullying problem on our roads that the state seems blissfully unaware of , but IMO its something that needs to be recognised and tackled strongly.

Leaving aside the ignorant idiots mentioned in 5) , I think many people are using the footpath out of fear. As another poster said - tackle the root cause behind that which is people, when they use the road, having to deal with hostile and endangering behavior from a certain section of drivers.

My 2c.

TaurenDruid · 26-06-2020 5:20pm

Hurrache wrote: »

And the speed limit in the section on that circular that had 3 lanes, like I asked?

Well, variable, depending on what bit you're on. Why don't you look it up?

Or are you trying to score some pedantic victory? "HA! The bit of the M50 that has 3 lanes only ever has a max limit of 100kmph, YOU SPEED MANIAC MONSTER!"

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 5:41pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, variable, depending on what bit you're on. Why don't you look it up?

Or are you trying to score some pedantic victory? "HA! The bit of the M50 that has 3 lanes only ever has a max limit of 100kmph, YOU SPEED MANIAC MONSTER!"

I'm know exactly what they are. You put your foot in it, again, and trying to brush it off. You whinge about cyclists breaking a limit, of which you can't say, and when you spoof about the limit in the motorway you make light out of it and try sweep it away that it's no harm breaking it. Hypocrite much?

So I'll ask again, what's the limit on the 3 lane sections of the M50 that you feel you have to repeat a complaint of driving at 100 in the middle lane?

It's an easy question for someone who uses it regularly and are so opinionated about how others can't understand the rotr.

AndrewJRenko · 26-06-2020 5:48pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

How would it be helpful?

Is it ok for a cyclist to break this posted speed limit?

It would be helpful to know what exactly you mean by 'speed limit posted'. Posted where and in what context? Are you saying that the limit is painted on the ground?

Spook_ie · 26-06-2020 6:05pm

Don't travel it too often but isn't the section j13 to j17 three lanes 120Kph?

Stark · 26-06-2020 6:06pm

M50 is 2 lanes from junction 14 to 17. All the 3 lane sections are 100km/hr.

magicbastarder · 26-06-2020 6:18pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, there's the circular one that goes all the way around Dublin that I'd use reasonably frequently.

good god. the M50 is 30km at 100km/h, and 7km at 120km/h.

and you thought it was 120km/h all the way round?

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 6:20pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

Don't travel it too often but isn't the section j13 to j17 three lanes 120Kph?

It's only 2 lanes from junction 14, which is where the limit increases, like any good motorist who uses it regularly would know.

Just because we have bikes doesn't mean we don't drive it ourselves.

However evidentialy some motorists are completely unobservant to how they should drive and what the rules are, the typical hurlers from the ditch.

Pinch Flat · 26-06-2020 6:26pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

good god. the M50 is 30km at 100km/h, and 7km at 120km/h.

and you thought it was 120km/h all the way round?

In fairness most people use it at 120 kph plus, so can see where he got that from. But yeah, speeding cyclists:rolleyes:

Rezident · 26-06-2020 6:31pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Bless your eyesight that you can see them spewing germs.
But yes, it's illegal, germs or not, but no-one is bothered doing anything to put a stop to it.

Nah, it is not illegal, cycling dangerously is illegal but cycling on a path is not, otherwise 5 year-olds would be breaking the law for cycling on the path and would be forced to cycle their tricycles on the road with cars, which would be a bit mad, wouldn't it?

I saw a jogger jogging IN THE CYCLE LANE recently, instead of on the path! SO I was going to start a thread on Boards about it and get outraged, but do you know what I did instead? I just got on with my life.

Spook_ie · 26-06-2020 6:40pm

Hurrache wrote: »

It's only 2 lanes from junction 14, which is where the limit increases, like any good motorist who uses it regularly would know.

Just because we have bikes doesn't mean we don't drive it ourselves.

However evidentialy some motorists are completely unobservant to how they should drive and what the rules are, the typical hurlers from the ditch.

I don't use it very often and I'll bow to anyone who uses it more often, but I was right about it being 120Kph even from distant memory.

Stark · 26-06-2020 6:43pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

In fairness most people use it at 120 kph plus, so can see where he got that from. But yeah, speeding cyclists:rolleyes:

Okay I'll put my hand up. I broke the speed limit on the 100km/hr section the other day with a bike on the back of the car.

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 6:46pm

Spook_ie wrote: »

but I was right about it being 120Kph even from distant memory.

C'mon now, let go of the straws you're frantically clutching at You weren't right about what we were talking about and who my barbs were aimed at.

Hurrache · 26-06-2020 6:46pm

Stark wrote: »

Okay I'll put my hand up. I broke the speed limit on the 100km/hr section the other day with a bike on the back of the car.

That's a double fine.

ewc78 · 26-06-2020 6:49pm

Rezident wrote: »

Nah, it is not illegal, cycling dangerously is illegal but cycling on a path is not, otherwise 5 year-olds would be breaking the law for cycling on the path and would be forced to cycle their tricycles on the road with cars, which would be a bit mad, wouldn't it?

I saw a jogger jogging IN THE CYCLE LANE recently, instead of on the path! SO I was going to start a thread on Boards about it and get outraged, but do you know what I did instead? I just got on with my life.

Those pesky joggers giving us runners a bad name again!!

Spook_ie · 26-06-2020 6:52pm

Hurrache wrote: »

C'mon now, let go of the straws you're frantically clutching at You weren't right about what we were talking about and who my barbs were aimed at.

I'm clutching no straws, I drive northside and only southside once in a bluemoon and I don't take my passengers for round trips on the M50, so as I said I'll bow judgement to anyone that does use it

07Lapierre · 26-06-2020 6:54pm

Rezident wrote: »

Nah, it is not illegal, cycling dangerously is illegal but cycling on a path is not, otherwise 5 year-olds would be breaking the law for cycling on the path and would be forced to cycle their tricycles on the road with cars, which would be a bit mad, wouldn't it?

I saw a jogger jogging IN THE CYCLE LANE recently, instead of on the path! SO I was going to start a thread on Boards about it and get outraged, but do you know what I did instead? I just got on with my life.

Cycling on the pavement is illegal even for 5 year olds. Thankfully it’s not enforced.

AndrewJRenko · 26-06-2020 10:16pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I'd just like to be able to walk or run on the footpath without having to dodge cyclists (again, cos apparently it needs to be repeated, I'm not bothered by young kids on bikes on the footpath), and not see them fly through red lights, whether it's for pedestrians or anyone using the road.

Doesn't seem too much to ask, really.

Like this, you mean?

https://streamable.com/lyie8l

TaurenDruid · 26-06-2020 11:14pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Like this, you mean?

https://streamable.com/lyie8l

No, because that's a car driver, not a bike.

Again, deflection, all the ****ing time from you. "LOOK, A CAR DID SOMETHING WRONG!"

And if I could be arsed, I'd stand at Amiens Street or Raheny or Fairview or Pearse Street or wherever traffic lights or junctions and video > 90% of cyclists approach the red lights then keep on going straight through.

Difference is I can acknowledge that the drivers shouldn't be doing it, whereas your reaction is "Well if other people are doing it then I can."

07Lapierre · 27-06-2020 6:51am

TaurenDruid wrote: »

No, because that's a car driver, not a bike.

Again, deflection, all the ****ing time from you. "LOOK, A CAR DID SOMETHING WRONG!"

And if I could be arsed, I'd stand at Amiens Street or Raheny or Fairview or Pearse Street or wherever traffic lights or junctions and video > 90% of cyclists approach the red lights then keep on going straight through.

Difference is I can acknowledge that the drivers shouldn't be doing it, whereas your reaction is "Well if other people are doing it then I can."

Cyclists break red light! We know that. The Gardai don’t care, get over it.

FinnC · 27-06-2020 7:37am

07Lapierre wrote: »

Cyclists break red light! We know that. The Gardai don’t care, get over it.

Funny you should say that. I was out for a cycle last night and was stopped at a set of lights when two other cyclists came up behind me and kept going through the red. It takes a special kind of eejit though to keep going through the red when the car at the top of the line of traffic is a cop car.
The two were pulled over straight away, to be honest I thought it was a glorious moment.
Was the only good part of the cycle though as I was still feeling the effects of the night before celebrating Liverpool, my legs didn't want to do what my head wanted them too

07Lapierre · 27-06-2020 7:55am

FinnC wrote: »

Funny you should say that. I was out for a cycle last night and was stopped at a set of lights when two other cyclists came up behind me and kept going through the red. It takes a special kind of eejit though to keep going through the red when the car at the top of the line of traffic is a cop car.
The two were pulled over straight away, to be honest I thought it was a glorious moment.
Was the only good part of the cycle though as I was still feeling the effects of the night before celebrating Liverpool, my legs didn't want to do what my head wanted them too

Good...delighted to hear it!

TaurenDruid · 27-06-2020 8:13am

07Lapierre wrote: »

Cyclists break red light! We know that. The Gardai don’t care, get over it.

Good...delighted to hear it!

One of these things is not like the other...

You're joining the "non-cyclist says something, it's bad/cyclist says something, it's good!" camp? Move over, Thelonius and Andy, you have more company.

AndrewJRenko · 27-06-2020 8:42am

TaurenDruid wrote: »

, whereas your reaction is "Well if other people are doing it then I can."

Where exactly did I say this please?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVT-7FBuAho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WlYlG8KQY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syn-LOE_BZw

07Lapierre · 27-06-2020 12:26pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

One of these things is not like the other...

You're joining the "non-cyclist says something, it's bad/cyclist says something, it's good!" camp? Move over, Thelonius and Andy, you have more company.

One incident where a muppet is stopped by a Garda for RLJ is very rare! Hardly proof that Gardai take RLJ by cyclists seriously.

Hotblack Desiato · 27-06-2020 1:24pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Where exactly did I say this please?

Don't you dare describe that scrote as a 'biker'. He's a kid on a scrambler with no insurance and no licence. He crashes, my insurance helps pay for it.

Do you have the word 'cyclist' on some sort of alert? Because whenever anybody says anything in any forum about illegal behaviour of cyclists, you're in like a shot trying to excuse it. It's pathetic really.

magicbastarder · 27-06-2020 2:21pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Don't you dare describe that scrote as a 'biker'. He's a kid on a scrambler with no insurance and no licence.

are cyclists now allowed disavow assholes on bikes as not being 'cyclists'? if we can, this whole thread vanishes in a puff of logic (well, i'd take any excuse for that at this stage).

AndrewJRenko · 27-06-2020 2:40pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Don't you dare describe that scrote as a 'biker'. He's a kid on a scrambler with no insurance and no licence. He crashes, my insurance helps pay for it.

Do you have the word 'cyclist' on some sort of alert? Because whenever anybody says anything in any forum about illegal behaviour of cyclists, you're in like a shot trying to excuse it. It's pathetic really.

I didn't describe him at all
I just posted a link to the video. If you don't like the video title, take it up with the video owner.

And where exactly did I excuse illegal behaviour of cyclists please?

TaurenDruid · 27-06-2020 3:09pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Where exactly did I say this please?

Work with me here, but... when someone posts about cyclists breaking red lights, and you don't criticise the cyclists breaking red lights but instead post three videos of a red-light-breaking by cars and a motorbike, it seems to be saying "well, other people are doing it, so it's fine..."

Other posters have no problem saying it's wrong, but Andy? No, cyclists do no wrong, whatabout whatabout whatabout...

Hurrache · 27-06-2020 3:16pm

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 12:06am

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Work with me here, but... when someone posts about cyclists breaking red lights, and you don't criticise the cyclists breaking red lights but instead post three videos of a red-light-breaking by cars and a motorbike, it seems to be saying "well, other people are doing it, so it's fine..."

Other posters have no problem saying it's wrong, but Andy? No, cyclists do no wrong, whatabout whatabout whatabout...

So you're confirming that I didn't actually say that, but you want to make guesses about my opinions on the matter and have a go at me for the outcome of your guesses, have I got that right?

You haven't criticised beating up old women on this thread, so it seems like you're in favour of beating up old women. Is that how it works?

TaurenDruid · 28-06-2020 12:54pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you're confirming that I didn't actually say that, but you want to make guesses about my opinions on the matter and have a go at me for the outcome of your guesses, have I got that right?

You haven't criticised beating up old women on this thread, so it seems like you're in favour of beating up old women. Is that how it works?

Nope.

Do you condone cyclists breaking red lights?

Do you condone cyclists breaking speed limits?

Still don't think we got an answer.

AndrewJRenko · 28-06-2020 2:44pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Nope.

Do you condone cyclists breaking red lights?

Do you condone cyclists breaking speed limits?

Still don't think we got an answer.

Work with me here, but... when someone posts a video of an underage uninsured scrambler bike rider breaking red lights, and you don't criticise the underage uninsured scrambler bike rider breaking red lights but instead keep banging on about cyclists and red lights, it seems to be saying "well, other people are doing it, so it's fine..."

Are you in favour of underage uninsured scrambler bike rider breaking red lights?

Honestly lads, could you not find enough in what I actually said to argue with, without worrying about "sins of omission"?

magicbastarder · 28-06-2020 2:57pm

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Do you condone cyclists breaking speed limits?

you were talking on about rules of the road, and them being there for a reason, and then asked this question. and when it was pointed out that under the road traffic laws, speed limits simply don't apply to bikes, you moved the goalposts and claimed you were talking about laws within dublin city council parks (cos, obviously, we'd have copped what you meant). then you made clear you've been driving on the M50 without realising what the speed limit is(?), and are now talking about speed limits again.
are you still talking about a fringe case regarding speed limits in council parks? or where are you going with that question?

Thargor · 28-06-2020 4:40pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

you were talking on about rules of the road, and them being there for a reason, and then asked this question. and when it was pointed out that under the road traffic laws, speed limits simply don't apply to bikes, you moved the goalposts and claimed you were talking about laws within dublin city council parks (cos, obviously, we'd have copped what you meant). then you made clear you've been driving on the M50 without realising what the speed limit is(?), and are now talking about speed limits again.
are you still talking about a fringe case regarding speed limits in council parks? or where are you going with that question?

I bet he was delighted when his little M50 slip went unnoticed.

Hurrache · 28-06-2020 6:28pm

Guys must think they're on the section of road in which you don't need to know the rotr, like some guys (who are extremely familiar with it don't you know) think exist on the M50.

https://twitter.com/OConnorOisin/status/1277251795644006400?s=19

ewc78 · 28-06-2020 6:37pm

FinnC wrote: »

Funny you should say that. I was out for a cycle last night and was stopped at a set of lights when two other cyclists came up behind me and kept going through the red. It takes a special kind of eejit though to keep going through the red when the car at the top of the line of traffic is a cop car.
The two were pulled over straight away, to be honest I thought it was a glorious moment.
Was the only good part of the cycle though as I was still feeling the effects of the night before celebrating Liverpool, my legs didn't want to do what my head wanted them too

I love it when something like that happens.

magicbastarder · 28-06-2020 7:03pm

funny thing is that one thing many of us cyclists hate is when we're stopped at traffic lights, another cyclist comes up from behind, passes you, and then plonks themselves right in front of you.

07Lapierre · 28-06-2020 7:22pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

funny thing is that one thing many of us cyclists hate is when we're stopped at traffic lights, another cyclist comes up from behind, passes you, and then plonks themselves right in front of you.

What's worse is when the light goes green, you overtake this cyclist and when you get to the next light, They don't take the hint and do it again!

Stark · 28-06-2020 7:27pm

I'm worried when I start commuting to work again and start using the narrow section of the Liffey cycle route, I'll probably end up shooting one of them.

dashcamdanny · 28-06-2020 7:39pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

funny thing is that one thing many of us cyclists hate is when we're stopped at traffic lights, another cyclist comes up from behind, passes you, and then plonks themselves right in front of you.

Ha. Try driving a bus and 20 cyclists do the same thing!!! ðŸ˜†

micar · 28-06-2020 8:05pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

funny thing is that one thing many of us cyclists hate is when we're stopped at traffic lights, another cyclist comes up from behind, passes you, and then plonks themselves right in front of you.

Especially when you've previously overtaken them.......FFS.

They also usually position themselves ahead of the line and are blissfully unaware the light has turned green.

And I'm the one who watching the lights and have began to move off just before the lights go green.

07Lapierre · 28-06-2020 8:07pm

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Ha. Try driving a bus and 20 cyclists do the same thing!!! &#55357;&#56838;

20 cyclists stopping at a red light?

micar · 28-06-2020 8:12pm

dashcamdanny wrote: »

Ha. Try driving a bus and 20 cyclists do the same thing!!! ��

Or the bus driver who overtakes a cyclist just as a bus stop is approaching, indicates and just pulls in.

Yes.....Mr/Mrs bus driver, I am still here and right behind you close to the kerb.

Why did you feel you had to overtake me when you knew you were approaching a bus stop and potentially were going to have to stop.......wonderful driving there ......

ewc78 · 28-06-2020 8:24pm

micar wrote: »

Or the bus driver who overtakes a cyclist just as a bus stop is approaching, indicates and just pulls in.

Yes.....Mr/Mrs bus driver, I am still here and right behind you close to the kerb.

Why did you feel you had to overtake me when you knew you were approaching a bus stop and potentially were going to have to stop.......wonderful driving there ......

donvito99 · 28-06-2020 8:26pm

What's the issue with cyclists filtering and getting to the top of the queue? In Dublin at least they will leave you for dusht... why the irritation?

Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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