Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

magicbastarder

magicbastarder wrote: »

speed limits don't apply to cyclists, so there's no speed limit for them to stick to.

i assume you knew this? or why were you asking about it?
if you had known it, i assume the question would have been 'should speed limits apply to cyclists?'

Spook_ie

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Can never understand why this even comes up. The 30kph limits within Dublin are not adhered to by 100% of drivers.

OMG We have AJR +2%

Thelonious Monk

TaurenDruid wrote: »

though collisions and injuries do occur and the vast majority go unrecorded

You can't just throw out made up stuff like that. You can't decide something is true and then use it in an argument.

AndrewJRenko

TaurenDruid wrote: »

My local park has a speed limit posted for bikes. It's completely ignored by 100% of cyclists. Most of the time, that's grand, but the park has been really busy of late, and there's still muppets treating it as a sprint track.

What park is this please?

TaurenDruid

07Lapierre wrote: »

I know how you feel. My local MOTORWAY has a speed limit posted for vehicles. It's completely ignored by 100% of Vehicles. Most of the time, that's grand, but the Motorway is getting busier of late, and there's still muppet's treating it as a race track.

I think you're exaggerating, LaPierre. Every vehicle on your local motorway is doing in excess of 120KMhh? Really?! That'd make the news, surely!

Ultima Thule

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I think you're exaggerating, LaPierre. Every vehicle on your local motorway is doing in excess of 120KMhh? Really?! That'd make the news, surely!

You just posted previously to this that 100% cyclists broke speed limit through a park. When someone else says 100% they are exaggerating?

Your 100% up your own arse.

TaurenDruid

Thargor wrote: »

There are no speed limits for bikes, so someone has posted a meaningless sign. Also bikes are not equipped with speedometers, so add another layer of idiocy to your latest angle.

There may or not be speed limits for bikes on the public road (does an e-bike count as a bike? What about a scooter?) - I've not looked.

There are park bye-laws, and they include a speed limit. You may want to look it up. So you avoid idiocy. :rolleyes:

magicbastarder

TaurenDruid wrote: »

There may or not be speed limits for bikes on the public road (does an e-bike count as a bike? What about a scooter?) - I've not looked.

bleedin nora. don't lecture us about the ROTR so, when you were using that as a stick to use against cyclists so.

Stark

Still waiting on answer to AJR's question. What park is it so we can look it up?

TaurenDruid

Ultima Thule wrote: »

You just posted previously to this that 100% cyclists broke speed limit through a park. When someone else says 100% they are exaggerating?

Your 100% up your own arse.

The speed limit for a bicycle in a public park in Dublin City Council parks is 10kmh. It's pretty impossible to believe anyone would keep to 10kmh on a bike. I don't think anyone would expect it, really.

But I have seen idiots doing full tilt even when the park is full of people, including families with young (unpredictable) kids and dogs.

Everyone on a motorway doing >120kmh, though? Never seen it.

(If you pop over to the motoring threads you'll no doubt find people complaining about people tootling along at 100kmh in the middle lane).

You're 100% up your own arse.

07Lapierre

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I think you're exaggerating, LaPierre. Every vehicle on your local motorway is doing in excess of 120KMhh? Really?! That'd make the news, surely!

the speed doesn't, but the crashes / tailbacks do.

TaurenDruid

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You can't just throw out made up stuff like that. You can't decide something is true and then use it in an argument.

I've not reported any of the collisions I've been involved in with cyclists. Nor has anyone else I know who has been hit by a cyclist.

Now. We both know another poster on here who regularly talks about 98% of drivers. Are you going to have a go at him, too?

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What park is this please?

It's actually every park controlled by Dublin City Council. I think that leaves out the Phoenix Park, possibly inside Stephen's Green, too, but every other Dublin park.

Pinch Flat

Spook_ie wrote: »

OMG We have AJR +2%

True though. We have people moaning about cyclists adhering to non existent speed limits when motorists completely ignore them.

TaurenDruid

Stark wrote: »

Still waiting on answer to AJR's question. What park is it so we can look it up?

All of them.

Thelonious Monk

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I've not reported any of the collisions I've been involved in with cyclists. Nor has anyone else I know who has been hit by a cyclist.

Now. We both know another poster on here who regularly talks about 98% of drivers. Are you going to have a go at him, too?

No because there was a report published after a survey for that 98% figure. I have sped many times while driving, everyone does.
And you must be doing something wrong if you and your friends are getting hit by cyclists, I don't know anyone who's ever had this problem.

AndrewJRenko

TaurenDruid wrote: »

It's actually every park controlled by Dublin City Council. I think that leaves out the Phoenix Park, possibly inside Stephen's Green, too, but every other Dublin park.

Thanks.
Can you please clarify what exactly you mean by 'speed limit posted'?

Is there a speed limit sign? Or is the 10 kmph listed on some general signage?

TaurenDruid

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

No because there was a report published after a survey for that 98% figure. I have sped many times while driving, everyone does.
And you must be doing something wrong if you and your friends are getting hit by cyclists, I don't know anyone who's ever had this problem.

Why do you think we're complaining about cyclists?!

I've already written on here about the two times it's happened to me in the last year. And the one time I got given out to for telling a cyclist to get off the ****ing footpath as she cycled towards me through the scaffolding outside Toners.

I don't go out of my way to get hit by cyclists, obviously, apart from walking on footpaths. How disgraceful of me. I will also not get out of the way of a cyclist on a footpath (unless it's a young kid). Some of them seem a bit shocked by this.

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Thanks.
Can you please clarify what exactly you mean by 'speed limit posted'?

Is there a speed limit sign? Or is the 10 kmph listed on some general signage?

Wherever there's a picture of a bike on the cycle track, there's a big circle with the speed limit posted. You don't have to go looking it up, it's right there.

Thelonious Monk

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Why do you think we're complaining about cyclists?!

I've already written on here about the two times it's happened to me in the last year. And the one time I got given out to for telling a cyclist to get off the ****ing footpath as she cycled towards me through the scaffolding outside Toners.

I don't go out of my way to get hit by cyclists, obviously, apart from walking on footpaths. How disgraceful of me. I will also not get out of the way of a cyclist on a footpath (unless it's a young kid). Some of them seem a bit shocked by this.

God you're really principled on this matter, stand your ground, well done.
You're complaining about cyclists because you're one of this oddballs that hates cyclists and picks up on anything they can to direct hatred at them. I think it's some kind of insecurity that motorists have that I can't quite figure out yet.
Have you thought about ringing radio phone in shows on the matter?

TaurenDruid

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

God you're really principled on this matter, stand your ground, well done.
You're complaining about cyclists because you're one of this oddballs that hates cyclists and picks up on anything they can to direct hatred at them. I think it's some kind of insecurity that motorists have that I can't quite figure out yet.
Have you thought about ringing radio phone in shows on the matter?

Wrong on pretty much all counts.

Cycling's great. Lots of my friends and family are into it. The more people who cycle, the fewer who are in cars, the faster my bus can get me to work or home, when I'm back on public transport. Personally, I prefer running. But am looking at e-bikes and thinking, maybe...

I fully support segregated cycling infrastructure. The Liffey cycle track is great and I really like the green light for cyclists a few seconds earlier than for motorists.

I've no problem hanging back when I come across a couple of cyclists on a back road, or a main road for that matter, until I can safely pass, and teaching my son to drive at the moment, I emphasise the need to give cyclists space and to beware possibly erratic cycling as they avoid potholes or idiots opening car doors without looking.

I'd just like to be able to walk or run on the footpath without having to dodge cyclists (again, cos apparently it needs to be repeated, I'm not bothered by young kids on bikes on the footpath), and not see them fly through red lights, whether it's for pedestrians or anyone using the road.

Doesn't seem too much to ask, really.

AndrewJRenko

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Wherever there's a picture of a bike on the cycle track, there's a big circle with the speed limit posted. You don't have to go looking it up, it's right there.

So signage painted on the ground? Again which particular parks you're seeing this in would be helpful.

Hurrache

TaurenDruid wrote: »

(If you pop over to the motoring threads you'll no doubt find people complaining about people tootling along at 100kmh in the middle lane).

How many motorways are there in Ireland in which there's 3 lanes and the speed limit is 120?

TaurenDruid wrote: »

I've not reported any of the collisions I've been involved in with cyclists. Nor has anyone else I know who has been hit by a cyclist.

You should stay indoors, what with all the accidents you're involved in and fear of cyclists in the city centre. Ever think it may be you?

Spook_ie

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.dublincity.ie/sites/default/files/content/RecreationandCulture/DublinCityParks/Documents/ParksBye-Laws2D.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjd04Th8p_qAhXAXhUIHaZJB7oQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2xTip_dPtx7sFAjg6mco6e

Section 4.6.g

Though it is unclear if they classify bicycles as vehicles or not.

4.6 TRAFFIC, BICYCLES, SKATEBOARDS ETC.
(a) No person shall cycle or use any skateboard, roller skates, roller blades,
or other vehicle in any park or open space except on such routes and in
such places as may be designated by the Council for that purpose.
(b) No person shall leave any vehicle unattended in any park or open space,
except in such places as may be set aside as standing or parking places.
(c) No person other than employees or agents of the Council shall drive or
be a passenger in a mechanically propelled vehicle in any park or open
space except on authorised routes.
(d) No person shall wheel a non-mechanical vehicle in any park or open
space except on authorised routes.
(e) Bye-Law 4.6(a) and 4.6(d) shall not apply to:
(1) bicycles or tricycles ridden by children under the age of 10 years
who are accompanied by and under the care of an adult
(2) bicycles using designated cycle lanes.
(f) All persons to whom Bye-laws 4.6 (a), 4.6 (c) and 4.6(d) apply shall
stop when called upon to do so by signal or otherwise by an employee
or agent of the Council or by a member of An Garda Síochána.
(g) The speed limit for all vehicles on authorised routes in any park or open
space shall be ten kilometres per hour.

TaurenDruid

Hurrache wrote: »

How many motorways are there in Ireland in which there's 3 lanes and the speed limit is 120?

Well, there's the circular one that goes all the way around Dublin that I'd use reasonably frequently.

You should stay indoors, what with all the accidents you're involved in and fear of cyclists in the city centre. Ever think it may be you?

I have never been involved in an "accident" involving a cyclist or another car. I've been hit twice by cyclists, so two incidents. "All" would seem a bit of a stretch for two incidents. No, it's not me, it's plenty of other people, too.

TaurenDruid

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So signage painted on the ground? Again which particular parks you're seeing this in would be helpful.

How would it be helpful?

Is it ok for a cyclist to break this posted speed limit?

Hurrache

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, there's the circular one that goes all the way around Dublin that I'd use reasonably frequently.

And the speed limit in the section on that circular that had 3 lanes, like I asked?

Duckjob

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Wrong on pretty much all counts.

Cycling's great. Lots of my friends and family are into it. The more people who cycle, the fewer who are in cars, the faster my bus can get me to work or home, when I'm back on public transport. Personally, I prefer running. But am looking at e-bikes and thinking, maybe...

I fully support segregated cycling infrastructure. The Liffey cycle track is great and I really like the green light for cyclists a few seconds earlier than for motorists.

I've no problem hanging back when I come across a couple of cyclists on a back road, or a main road for that matter, until I can safely pass, and teaching my son to drive at the moment, I emphasise the need to give cyclists space and to beware possibly erratic cycling as they avoid potholes or idiots opening car doors without looking.

I'd just like to be able to walk or run on the footpath without having to dodge cyclists (again, cos apparently it needs to be repeated, I'm not bothered by young kids on bikes on the footpath), and not see them fly through red lights, whether it's for pedestrians or anyone using the road.

Doesn't seem too much to ask, really.

I don't think there's anything unreasonable in any of that.

Leaving aside all the other various noise in this thread, here's my personal take on cycling on footpaths:

1) I sometimes ride on the footpath along with the kids. Reason I dont let them ride on the footpath and ride on the road myself is that on some of the roads, going at their speed on the side of the road makes me feel like a sitting duck (pun not intended) for some drivers that are lacking in the patience department.

2) When on my own, or with other experience riders, I happy enough to ride on roads. I can't say I never ride on footpaths because the general quality of some of our infrastructure is so bad that sometimes shared path etc have complete lack of decent signage. I have sometimes gotten the feeling that a shared path I was on already finished and is now just a footpath and I was somehow supposed to know this.


3) If my partner, who is much less experienced riding on Irish roads) went out, I would feel much safer if she takes the footpath in certain areas, because TBH I see too much impatient and downright dangerous behavior by drivers to feel confident that I can trust them to keep my loved ones safe when they are so vulnerable on the road.

4) I would expect my partner, or anyone who uses a footpath while on the bike to display absolute courtesy and respect to anyone they encounter walking on footpaths at the same time. I always impress this on my kids that in using the footpaths they should considers themselves guests and always give priority and respect to those walking.

5) I've no time for the tossers you see around the city centre that bully their way through people on footpaths - they should be dealt with, without a doubt.

6) To re-use your phrase, I just want for me, and my loved ones to be able to get from A to B on a bike without having to risk our lives. That doesn't seem too much to ask to me.

I find the roads today incredibly hostile towards people on bikes and I can't really understand why.

I find, even as someone who's pretty confident on a bike, there's certain rural roads near me that I still have to mentally "armour myself up" before I ride on them. The reason being, some driver behavior is bad - ranging from casually careless to full-on psychotic towards people on bikes. Given those attitudes are on display, I don't condemn anyone who uses an available footpath (respectfully, as above) out of fear of how certain drivers drive.

For some reason, driver behavior varies wildly according to whether I am together with my family (ah, that's nice, a family out for a cycle together), or out by myself (male, middle aged cyclist - teach the f**ker a lesson !). I think the fact that this diversity of driver care exists is indicative of a big bullying problem on our roads that the state seems blissfully unaware of , but IMO its something that needs to be recognised and tackled strongly.

Leaving aside the ignorant idiots mentioned in 5) , I think many people are using the footpath out of fear. As another poster said - tackle the root cause behind that which is people, when they use the road, having to deal with hostile and endangering behavior from a certain section of drivers.

My 2c.

TaurenDruid

Hurrache wrote: »

And the speed limit in the section on that circular that had 3 lanes, like I asked?

Well, variable, depending on what bit you're on. Why don't you look it up?

Or are you trying to score some pedantic victory? "HA! The bit of the M50 that has 3 lanes only ever has a max limit of 100kmph, YOU SPEED MANIAC MONSTER!"

Hurrache

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Well, variable, depending on what bit you're on. Why don't you look it up?

Or are you trying to score some pedantic victory? "HA! The bit of the M50 that has 3 lanes only ever has a max limit of 100kmph, YOU SPEED MANIAC MONSTER!"

I'm know exactly what they are. You put your foot in it, again, and trying to brush it off. You whinge about cyclists breaking a limit, of which you can't say, and when you spoof about the limit in the motorway you make light out of it and try sweep it away that it's no harm breaking it. Hypocrite much?

So I'll ask again, what's the limit on the 3 lane sections of the M50 that you feel you have to repeat a complaint of driving at 100 in the middle lane?

It's an easy question for someone who uses it regularly and are so opinionated about how others can't understand the rotr.