Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

deathbomber wrote: »

more than likely it's going to happen anyway on a 2nd outbreak wave. if you open up International travel to the masses! I was stating the best case scenario (my opinion)
and if you think we will get 1/5 of the tourism this year, - no chance.

"2nd Wave" is a term used relating to the Flu, which is a seasonal illness, in that it goes away in Summer, comes back in winter... No evidence that Covid is seasonal, it's still spreading in various countries so the "1st Wave" may never end until a cure is found. Every day there's new cases globally.

Any restart of tourism will save 100's of jobs if we box clever and don't keep using blunt tools like mass lockdowns or border closures...

NPHET approves move to phase 3.

"They will also discuss entering into ‘air bridge’ arrangements with other EU countries but it is understood the final decision on choosing countries to pair with will be left to the new government.

However, while travel restrictions will be eased for some countries by early July, it is expected even stricter rules will be enforced on visitors for unapproved countries.

This could include temperature checks on arrival and mandatory quarantine.

However, new regulations will have to be drafted to allow for stronger enforcement measures.

This will also be a left to the next government should it be formed over the weekend."

Looks like most of it will be up to the new government to start on. You'd expect any of the tougher measures apply to anyone from outside the EU as intra EU travel starts up with the bloc not allowing in third countries.

https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/nphet-officially-clears-the-way-for-reopening-of-pubs-restaurants-and-hairdressers-from-monday-39315813.html?__twitter_impression=true

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah while some people may be dependent on tourism, It's a slight bit of a stretch to say that tourism keeps the state solvent.



6.2% is a lot but it's not everything. That is of course if it isn't EVERYTHING to you.


https://knoema.com/atlas/Ireland/topics/Tourism/Travel-and-Tourism-Total-Contribution-to-GDP/Contribution-of-travel-and-tourism-to-GDP-percent-of-GDP

While it may only be 6.2% of GDP I'd still imagine that if you look of the effect of that 6.2% on other businesses it could be the difference between them staying afloat or failing.

EG, if a restaurant has 33% of its bookings from tourists, even though the other 66% is domestic bookings and isn't included in that 6.2% GDP from tourists, losing that extra business may make the restaurant unviable and then it ends up closing.

High street shops that may only have 15% of sales to tourists but loss of that 15% suddenly means a previously profitable shop no longer can make money and closes down, with the knock on effect on its suppliers.

The economy is massively interlinked and interwoven with each other, just because tourism in this case only accounts for 6.2% of GDP, the total loss of that may well have a much greater fall out. There's a contagion effect where many other businesses while not primaily focused on tourism are still reliant on that extra bit of sales from tourists to keep their heads above water.

That 6.2% of GDP is a lot to lose especially in rural areas that depend much more highly on tourism than industrial or tech areas of the country.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So we're reopening - it's official!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nphet-officially-clears-the-way-for-reopening-of-pubs-restaurants-and-hairdressers-from-monday-39315813.html

But...

Halfway down that page is a video from a Blackrock salon about the measures they'll be taking for CV-19. Now I don't blame the owners or staff at all but what a miserable experience is being imposed upon them/their customers...
Masks, giving your personal info for tracing, limited chat and engagement, debit/credit card needed to book, no-shows/lates charged for, no magazines/papers/coffee while you wait, wait outside etc etc...

Are these major issues? No. Are they inconvenient? Absolutely! Will they put people off? Very possibly!

Again, I don't blame the businesses at all but it's really hard to see how many will survive unless they're actually an essential service.

Unfortunately, you could pretty much copy & paste that to describe a trip to a pub, restaurant or anywhere else you might previously have enjoyed a trip to. Complete nonsense.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So we're reopening - it's official!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nphet-officially-clears-the-way-for-reopening-of-pubs-restaurants-and-hairdressers-from-monday-39315813.html

But...

Halfway down that page is a video from a Blackrock salon about the measures they'll be taking for CV-19. Now I don't blame the owners or staff at all but what a miserable experience is being imposed upon them/their customers...
Masks, giving your personal info for tracing, limited chat and engagement, debit/credit card needed to book, no-shows/lates charged for, no magazines/papers/coffee while you wait, wait outside etc etc...

Are these major issues? No. Are they inconvenient? Absolutely! Will they put people off? Very possibly!

Again, I don't blame the businesses at all but it's really hard to see how many will survive unless they're actually an essential service.

"Limited chit chat and engagement". Can't see this in happening in practice.

In regards to the rest, given the choice between accepting the measures and looking like Worzel Gummidge, I'm sure most people will choose the former. For a lot of people who were on the fence over safety concerns, seeing that measures are being taken to ensure safety will probably encourage them to go in.

I'll certainly feel more comfortable if myself and the person up close in my face are both wearing masks to block transmission.

skelly22 wrote: »

Unfortunately, you could pretty much copy & paste that to describe a trip to a pub, restaurant or anywhere else you might previously have enjoyed a trip to. Complete nonsense.

Are you one of these keep everything closed folks?

caveat emptor wrote: »

6.2% is a lot but it's not everything.

Our GDP is completely messed up due to the influx of capital and assets from multinational companies.
Does anyone here actually believe our REAL economy grew by 26% in 2015? That was our 'official' GDP growth that year.

Much more relevant metric is the number of jobs supported by the Tourism and Trade industry, which is quite significant at 200k+.
Don't forget that closing borders also keeps students away, which is another significant industry.

Not to mention further exodus from the UK on a hard Brexit - if Ireland closed but the Netherlands, France, Germany, etc remained open (with health controls in place), where do you think investors will take their capital and jobs to?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So we're reopening - it's official!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/nphet-officially-clears-the-way-for-reopening-of-pubs-restaurants-and-hairdressers-from-monday-39315813.html

But...

Halfway down that page is a video from a Blackrock salon about the measures they'll be taking for CV-19. Now I don't blame the owners or staff at all but what a miserable experience is being imposed upon them/their customers...
Masks, giving your personal info for tracing, limited chat and engagement, debit/credit card needed to book, no-shows/lates charged for, no magazines/papers/coffee while you wait, wait outside etc etc...

Are these major issues? No. Are they inconvenient? Absolutely! Will they put people off? Very possibly!

Again, I don't blame the businesses at all but it's really hard to see how many will survive unless they're actually an essential service.

A lot will use the mobile and working from home hairdressers who have been very busy already in the last few weeks judging by the well groomed hairstyles I seen of late and from what I heard masks and banter wasn't an issue

GocRh wrote: »

Our GDP is completely messed up due to the influx of capital and assets from multinational companies.
Does anyone here actually believe our REAL economy grew by 26% in 2015? That was our 'official' GDP growth that year.

Much more relevant metric is the number of jobs supported by the Tourism and Trade industry, which is quite significant at 200k+.
Don't forget that closing borders also keeps students away, which is another significant industry.

Not to mention further exodus from the UK on a hard Brexit - if Ireland closed but the Netherlands, France, Germany, etc remained open (with health controls in place), where do you think investors will take their capital and jobs to?

Multi national comes to ireland because of the corporation tax and language.
Most multinationals are not allowing any travel by their employees, no matter what country they are in.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes.
Continued managed queues where I am , and even a machine in Supervalu which counts customers as the go in and go out , and will flash red and alarm if too many enter .

Maybe its cause this Dunnes is massive but anyway no queuing for the last 2 weeks they said

fr336 wrote: »

Because if you're calling safeguards against Covid "total nonsense" I can't conclude anything else. Unless you're more for herd immunity? We have so many luxuries in our societies, having a pub or hairdreser exactly the same as before isn't a right. Can we really not put up with some exremely mild inconviences to stamp out a virus and ensure this whole saga doesn't go on for longer than it has to? To get back to normal completely requires short term "sacrifices". Businesses open with small adjustments is a hell of a lot better than everything closed. The same people who wanted things open now don't want adjustments, it's bizarre.

Well we're unlikely to agree on too much then if that's your standpoint. My concern is that business are being told they can open, but the restraints being put on them will give them very little chance of succeeding. I'd sooner take a trip to the dentist than the pub to be honest from what I'm hearing.

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

What if we never have a vaccine? What’s plan b? This isn’t about just pubs either.

This is the same argument as those who didn't want months worth of lockdown saying "we can't lock the country up for two years". If there is never a vaccine then we will cross that bridge when we come to it. Talking about what if's is no reason not to take very small, sensible precautions at the present time. There are all sorts of things we do on a daily basis to combat against risks to ourselves and others, many of them are laws we take for granted. You'll just have to adjust.

skelly22 wrote: »

Well we're unlikely to agree on too much then if that's your standpoint. My concern is that business are being told they can open, but the restraints being put on them will give them very little chance of succeeding. I'd sooner take a trip to the dentist than the pub to be honest from what I'm hearing.

If people are as desperate as it seems to get back to the pub, hairdresser etc, why will minor restrictions stop them? For instance is the only way for a pub to be for people to be completely off their faces? This was an issue anyway pre Covid, why do people have to act like that and end up wasting resouces in A&E? People keep saying "we need to get back to normal" even if the old normal was far from perfect. Lazy thinking tbh.