Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

skelly22

charlie14 wrote: »

I`m not in any state of panic. I have been working all through this lockdown as my job is designated as a vital service and I have seen some of the moronic, could not care less behaviour of so many, that I fully understand why these actual quite minimal restrictions are still needed.

I haven't seen this from anyone anywhere on my travels over the last few months. I've been amazed at how compliant & patient people have been to be honest. But patience is wearing thin on many levels.

charlie14

hmmm wrote: »

There's also a certain anti-vaxxer element who want all restrictions lifted. There's no "out" for them other than herd immunity - while the rest of us might be waiting to see whether vaccines are successful, from their perspective they might as well let those who are going to die, die, and do it as quickly as possible.

I don`t think the herd immunity idea even mattered for most of them. More an attitude that, I have very little to worry about from this for myself, and I would not as much as scratch myself if I thought it would help anyone else.

Goldengirl

charlie14 wrote: »

I`m not in any state of panic. I have been working all through this lockdown as my job is designated as a vital service and I have seen some of the moronic, could not care less behaviour of so many, that I fully understand why these actual quite minimal restrictions are still needed.

You mean here , or out in the real world?
Have to say apart from a few out there I haven't seen any major noncompliance or whinging , but maybe I am coming into contact with a different group of people .
Depends where you are working , I suppose ?

charlie14

skelly22 wrote: »

I haven't seen this from anyone anywhere on my travels over the last few months. I've been amazed at how compliant & patient people have been to be honest. But patience is wearing thin on many levels.

All I can say from my experience that has not been my experience in dealing with the general public. 85-90% no problem with having a bit of cop on. The remainder had neither patience,cop on, or gave a damn about anyone other than themselves. If it takes restrictions to make them cop on then I for one will not be overly worried on how thinner their patience may get.

skelly22

SusieBlue wrote: »

Tried to make a booking for a table at a well known late bar for the end of next month to celebrate a friends birthday but we won’t be bothering after seeing all the terms and conditions attached to it.

We’ll have to sit in 2x tables of 4 because tables of 6 is the max allowed.
Said tables will be 2m apart, and we won’t be allowed socialise, interact or even swap places with our friends at the other table.
We won’t be allowed communicate at all and we have to remain in our allocated seats for the duration of our 90 minute slot.
We can’t book more than one slot so we can’t stay for longer than 90 minutes.
It sounds like an absolutely grim experience so we aren’t bothering. I attached the reply from the bar below, I covered any identifying info so I think it’s ok.

If this is the reality of going to the pub going forward, I can’t see many making the effort to even go. You’d get less hassle going through airport security.

Now if someone can explain the logic of this I'll happily listen. Don't speak to the people at the table beside you? Really?

charlie14

Goldengirl wrote: »

You mean here , or out in the real world?
Have to say apart from a few out there I haven't seen any major noncompliance or whinging , but maybe I am coming into contact with a different group of people .
Depends where you are working , I suppose ?

In the real world.

A relatively small amount in fairness. But enough to see why letting them run loose and doing whatever they felt like would not be a great idea when so many have made so many sacrifices without complaint to get us to where we are

hmmm

skelly22 wrote: »

Now if someone can explain the logic of this I'll happily listen. Don't speak to the people at the table beside you? Really?

I presume it's to prevent tables of 6 actually becoming tables of 12,18,24, particularly after a few drinks. Or groups of 12 heading out to "separate tables" nudge nudge wink wink.

Forget big get togethers in pubs and restaurants for the next few months until we see how things develop, it's all about small groups if you want to meet indoors.

Everyone should take up hiking or running for the next while if they want to meet 20 of their closest friends

Goldengirl

skelly22 wrote: »

Now if someone can explain the logic of this I'll happily listen. Don't speak to the people at the table beside you? Really?

Table of six only so either book six or sit apart . If they pushed those tables together then they would be allowing groups of eight and risk ..whatever the consequence is .

They could have said that they would allow them to talk to 2 of the 4 people at the next table ??
But that would have been a bit mad too , I suppose

Goldengirl

charlie14 wrote: »

In the real world.

A relatively small amount in fairness. But enough to see why letting them run loose and doing whatever they felt like would not be a great idea when so many have made so many sacrifices without complaint to get us to where we are

Most of the people I have met have just been glad to be recovering ..so a different group indeed . 😷

skelly22

hmmm wrote: »

I presume it's to prevent tables of 6 actually becoming tables of 12,18,24, particularly after a few drinks. Or groups of 12 heading out to "separate tables" nudge nudge wink wink.

Forget big get togethers in pubs and restaurants for the next few months until we see how things develop, it's all about small groups if you want to meet indoors.

Everyone should take up hiking or running for the next while if they want to meet 20 of their closest friends

C'mon it was a rhetorical question. There's no explaining some of those rules in fairness.

hmmm

skelly22 wrote: »

C'mon it was a rhetorical question. There's no explaining some of those rules in fairness.

The rules are set by public health to try and find a balance between allowing businesses open, while providing reasonable safety to their customers and reducing the risk of a major outbreak.

skelly22

charlie14 wrote: »

All I can say from my experience that has not been my experience in dealing with the general public. 85-90% no problem with having a bit of cop on. The remainder had neither patience,cop on, or gave a damn about anyone other than themselves. If it takes restrictions to make them cop on then I for one will not be overly worried on how thinner their patience may get.

Depends on what you'd describe as "moronic behaviour" I suppose. I know some people who'd now describe walking past someone on the street without jumping out on the road as "moronic behaviour".

charlie14

Goldengirl wrote: »

Table of six only so either book six or sit apart . If they pushed those tables together then they would be allowing groups of eight and risk ..whatever the consequence is .

They could have said that they would allow them to talk to 2 of the 4 people at the next table ??
But that would have been a bit mad too , I suppose

I read somewhere recently (cannot recall where off-hand) but researchers looking at the Japan statistics could not understand why there were not more transmissions due to public transport.
They discovered that it is thought bad manners to hold conversations on public transport in Japan.
Japanese had done a lot of research on transmission due to voice levels prior to this on other viral outbreaks and because of that had shut their karaoke bars when Covid-19 hit.



But then again maybe whoever made that decision was just a music lover

skelly22

hmmm wrote: »

The rules are set by public health to try and find a balance between allowing businesses open, while providing reasonable safety to their customers and reducing the risk of a major outbreak.

Still doesn't mean they're explainable. I don't think by not speaking to the people at the table across the way, who I'm out with, is reducing the risk of a major outbreak, not by even the wildest stretch of the imagination.

hmmm

charlie14 wrote: »

Japanese had done a lot of research on transmission due to voice levels prior to this on other viral outbreaks and because of that had shut their karaoke bars when Covid-19 hit.

Choirs of course were very badly hit by this in the early days.

The only outdoors location I can think of causing significant spread was at football matches. I don't remember seeing a direct cause being attributed, but presumably this would have involved chanting, singing etc.

I don't think you want to be in a pub with people shouting at TVs or having a singsong just at the moment. We need to tone it down a bit for a while.

hmmm

skelly22 wrote: »

Still doesn't mean they're explainable. I don't think by not speaking to the people at the table across the way, who I'm out with, is reducing the risk of a major outbreak, not by even the wildest stretch of the imagination.

I've just explained to you what the reasoning may be.

skelly22

Goldengirl wrote: »

Table of six only so either book six or sit apart . If they pushed those tables together then they would be allowing groups of eight and risk ..whatever the consequence is .

They could have said that they would allow them to talk to 2 of the 4 people at the next table ??
But that would have been a bit mad too , I suppose

Now that would have been completely mad, but it wouldn't have surprised me in the slightest!

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

I presume it's to prevent tables of 6 actually becoming tables of 12,18,24, particularly after a few drinks. Or groups of 12 heading out to "separate tables" nudge nudge wink wink.

Forget big get togethers in pubs and restaurants for the next few months until we see how things develop, it's all about small groups if you want to meet indoors.

Everyone should take up hiking or running for the next while if they want to meet 20 of their closest friends

Or just invite your friends around to your home, which is what sensible people are doing. The frightened fannies can go to the pubs/restaurants and wave to each other across the room if it helps them feel safe.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

I presume it's to prevent tables of 6 actually becoming tables of 12,18,24, particularly after a few drinks. Or groups of 12 heading out to "separate tables" nudge nudge wink wink.

Forget big get togethers in pubs and restaurants for the next few months until we see how things develop, it's all about small groups if you want to meet indoors.

Everyone should take up hiking or running for the next while if they want to meet 20 of their closest friends

Next few months?

I don’t suppose you know too many people between 18 and say 27?

A lot of them want to socialise, drink, have a ride etc

That’s still going to happen whether it’s in a pub or not. If the pub becomes lame, it could move to leisure plexes, house parties, knacker drinking in fields.

But they’ll find a way to do what young people do. LIVE

You can’t stop people from living.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

But they’ll find a way to do what young people do. LIVE

You can’t stop people from living.

The question was about pubs, we can't control what people do in their own homes or sitting in a field. We won't be going back to packed pubs while there is an epidemic risk.

charlie14

skelly22 wrote: »

Depends on what you'd describe as "moronic behaviour" I suppose. I know some people who'd now describe walking past someone on the street without jumping out on the road as "moronic behaviour".

Getting right in your face, making a very obvious point of not keeping any distance from others, getting either sullen or belligerent when asked too, and that is just from work.
House parties were not exactly a rare occurrence in my area but you probably didn`t know anything about them either.

skelly22

Deleted User wrote: »

Next few months?

I don’t suppose you know too many people between 18 and say 27?

A lot of them want to socialise, drink, have a ride etc

That’s still going to happen whether it’s in a pub or not. If the pub becomes lame, it could move to leisure plexes, house parties, knacker drinking in fields.

But they’ll find a way to do what young people do. LIVE

You can’t stop people from living.

Precisely. All the rules in the world won't stop that. (I hope)

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

The question was about pubs, not what people do in their own homes.

Doesn’t make a difference were it happens.
It’s going to happen either way.

What do you think is happening in Liverpool right now, just as one example?

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

Doesn’t make a difference were it happens.
It’s going to happen either way.

What do you think is happening in Liverpool right now, just as one example?

We can control risk in businesses such as pubs or restaurants, gyms, cinemas etc. If people want to sit in a field to get around it that's their choice. Probably a lot safer to be sitting in a field actually, you might be on to a good idea.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

We can control risk in businesses such as pubs or restaurants, gyms, cinemas etc. If people want to sit in a field to get around it that's their choice.

You are very naive if you think it only happen outdoors.

hmmm

Deleted User wrote: »

You are very naive if you think it only happen outdoors.

Go sit in field, or lick doorknobs in your own house to your heart's content. It will make no difference as to how pubs and restaurants are going to be regulated during a pandemic. If sitting at a table with 6 friends only is a huge imposition, then you're going to have to sit the pub out for a few months.

Goldengirl

charlie14 wrote: »

I read somewhere recently (cannot recall where off-hand) but researchers looking at the Japan statistics could not understand why there were not more transmissions due to public transport.
They discovered that it is thought bad manners to hold conversations on public transport in Japan.
Japanese had done a lot of research on transmission due to voice levels prior to this on other viral outbreaks and because of that had shut their karaoke bars when Covid-19 hit.



But then again maybe whoever made that decision was just a music lover

This ! Banned karaoke , lol.
Read the same article . Think it was TIME magazine ?
Also apparently there speech patterns don't cause them to spit as much as ours do .
And they stay a distance apart unless they are dating , so a lot of aspects of their culture in their favour ...apart from singing karaoke !

Deeper Blue

On newstalk the other day residents from Cork were on complaining about the house parties being held there every weekend. Had to laugh when the presenter speculated as to whether the attendees were practicing social distancing. Good thing it was radio as he surely couldn't have kept a straight face while saying that.

MickeyLeari

What is this obsession with licking door knobs? Keeps on being referenced here. Is it a thing?

hmmm

MickeyLeari wrote: »

What is this obsession with licking door knobs? Keeps on being referenced here. Is it a thing?

It's usually an attempt at humour to describe someone who is so unconcerned by the virus that they go around doing the least safe thing they can think of.