Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

stephenjmcd

Jackman25 wrote: »

Give it a few weeks, find a good local, things will be near enough normal. Back to 1 metre is a big thing.
The large urban pubs will suffer for a while.

Yup staying local until after the 20th myself then I'll head into the city centre pubs, probably the weekend of the 25th. Head in with a few mates and see if there's many around, nothing major

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it better than not being allowed to go at all?

Nope course not, I’m just going to wait until a bit closer to the time to book in the hope that some of the terms and conditions will be relaxed.

The only thing I really take issue with is being forced to sit at different tables, I think the 6 to a table rule is a ridiculous. The rest I could live with if it meant we could all sit together.

I don't think that enough people have died in this country for this to be taken seriously!
I would love to go out for a drink or a meal eventually but I would have serious concerns!

tom1ie

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yes, Box clever means no nationwide lockdown, no closing of borders, it means test, trace, isolate.. protect the vulnerable, hospitals now deal with Covid very efficiently, this isn't march we know how to deal with those who need hospital care for Covid.
The USA aren't managing the response, but what to you expect, they have seriously bad systemic faults with their healthcare system. And one of the worst Presidents in history.
Same in UK, the Tory response and the Dominic Cummings scandal has destroyed political leadership in Government Covid rules. Same in Brazil, the worst political leadership possible.

The panic when we saw what happened in Northern Italy never happened here, an advantage of being an Island nation.
This "bigger spike" you keep carping on about won't happen either, and I won't keep engaging with the same ridiculous argument over and over.

What makes you so sure the bigger spike in Ireland won’t happen?

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

Nope course not, I’m just going to wait until a bit closer to the time to book in the hope that some of the terms and conditions will be relaxed.

The only thing I really take issue with is being forced to sit at different tables, I think the 6 to a table rule is a ridiculous. The rest I could live with if it meant we could all sit together.

So being allowed to go out and socialise with some compromises is worse than nothing being open at all?

charlie14

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yes, Box clever means no nationwide lockdown, no closing of borders, it means test, trace, isolate.. protect the vulnerable, hospitals now deal with Covid very efficiently, this isn't march we know how to deal with those who need hospital care for Covid.
The USA aren't managing the response, but what to you expect, they have seriously bad systemic faults with their healthcare system. And one of the worst Presidents in history.
Same in UK, the Tory response and the Dominic Cummings scandal has destroyed political leadership in Government Covid rules. Same in Brazil, the worst political leadership possible.

The panic when we saw what happened in Northern Italy never happened here, an advantage of being an Island nation.
This "bigger spike" you keep carping on about won't happen either, and I won't keep engaging with the same ridiculous argument over and over.

I would have thought if we learned anything it was that this virus didn`t land here by magic. We are managing this epidemic internally relatively well, and I am not saying we should close borders, but we should have learned the lessons from Italians traveling for a rugby game and those returning from Cheltenham.
From spikes in border counties Monaghan, Cavan and Louth during lockdown we would need to be aware that this has not been a single authority approach to dealing with this epidemic.

Oscar Madison

Oscar Madison wrote: »

I don't think that enough people have died in this country for this to be taken seriously!
I would love to go out for a drink or a meal eventually but I would have serious concerns!

I am still on reduced hours from work and will being going out for breakfast Monday morning with the whole family in a local spot that’s open. Pancakes for the kids and eggs Benedict and bacon for myself. Can’t wait

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still on reduced hours from work and will being going out for breakfast Monday morning with the whole family in a local spot that’s open. Pancakes for the kids and eggs Benedict and bacon for myself. Can’t wait

Sounds nice. Had you to book it?

Dickie10

Like i said here before there will be a huge difference in rural and urban areas, some pubs in rural areas wont have ever really had a busy time, just 8-10 regulars most nights. the whole regulations will be a moot point in some of these places where they have huge premisises but small enough footfall. there the pubs i will be sticking too, no time limit with no people trying to get in. every pub is difeerent so every pub will be a different experience, there were plenty of pubs you could walk into and there might only be 6 or 7 in it that wont change. I rememebr back in februrary walking into a pub at 9 pm on a sunday night and just people in it and a guy with a guitar in singing, we left after 2 quick ones and left just one person there. some of these pubs wont have to much work to put in place regulations.

Tenzor07

tom1ie wrote: »

What makes you so sure the bigger spike in Ireland won’t happen?

What makes you think it will? Is Covid seasonal like the Flu? Is the "1st wave" over? Do the single digit number of new infections a day support the trend which will lead to this "2nd wave?"

robbiezero

robbiezero wrote: »

Sounds nice. Had you to book it?

Emailed them and reserved a table, but I think they are pretty relaxed for breakfast

Ginger n Lemon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Emailed them and reserved a table, but I think they are pretty relaxed for breakfast

Jaysus. Booking breakfast table. Whats next, getting that 10:30 to 10:45 bathroom time?

I dont know whether to laugh or cry

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

Emailed them and reserved a table, but I think they are pretty relaxed for breakfast

Few nice spots for the breakfast around the Clontarf area. Like a bit of egg and bacon myself. Would have thought they would be the out the door all week next week, but people might be a bit reluctant for a while.

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

I am still on reduced hours from work and will being going out for breakfast Monday morning with the whole family in a local spot that’s open. Pancakes for the kids and eggs Benedict and bacon for myself. Can’t wait

That really gave me a Homer Simpson moment. Eggs Benedict and bacon breakfast in The 12 Pins Barna Mmmmmm

iamwhoiam

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jaysus. Booking breakfast table. Whats next, getting that 10:30 to 10:45 bathroom time?

I dont know whether to laugh or cry

Or just relax and accept it

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jaysus. Booking breakfast table. Whats next, getting that 10:30 to 10:45 bathroom time?

I dont know whether to laugh or cry

It’s the new normal Ginge:p

Penfailed

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Or just relax and accept it

He's been very emotional the whole way through this.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

He's been very emotional the whole way through this.

Look some people like spontaneity doing the mundane day to day tasks. Do things as it suits, a roll with the punches type personality.

Im not convinced that planning what time to eat a breakfast, behind a perspex screen, will save a life in a nursing home but I could be wrong

Penfailed

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Look some people like spontaneity doing the mundane day to day tasks. Do things as it suits, a roll with the punches type personality.

Im not convinced that planning what time to eat a breakfast, behind a perspex screen, will save a life in a nursing home but I could be wrong

You are wrong. You know you are wrong. There's no connection between booking a meal and nursing homes.

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Look some people like spontaneity doing the mundane day to day tasks. Do things as it suits, a roll with the punches type personality.

Im not convinced that planning what time to eat a breakfast, behind a perspex screen, will save a life in a nursing home but I could be wrong

People doing as suited themselves helped the initial spread of the virus here.

skelly22

fr336 wrote: »

If people are as desperate as it seems to get back to the pub, hairdresser etc, why will minor restrictions stop them? For instance is the only way for a pub to be for people to be completely off their faces? This was an issue anyway pre Covid, why do people have to act like that and end up wasting resouces in A&E? People keep saying "we need to get back to normal" even if the old normal was far from perfect. Lazy thinking tbh.

Completely irrelevant. And I'm only using pubs as an example. The bottom line is that the virus has been hammered to a pulp in the community & remaining restrictions don't make any sense any more. Nonetheless, there remains a large amount of people happy to take on as many rules as they can manage, the more the merrier in fact. I think quite a few people on here need to get out & get some sun. Build up the defences for the Apocalyptic 2nd Wave, now scheduled for October if I can believe the pro-lockdown die-hards. The sky isn't falling in on us out there you know.

Goldengirl

charlie14 wrote: »

I think there is a fairly large cohort that figure their chance of not being seriously effected if they are infected could not care less who they infect or kill. Something the same is now going on with opposition to wearing masks. Wearing face masks is more to protect others than to protect the wearer.

True a lot could care less , but they will have to be a rule , no mask no travel .
And yes the mask is to protect others , but in order for YOU to be protected it needs everyone to buy in to wearing masks otherwise no good if only 50% wearing them .
The asymptomatic non maskwearing traveller will infect everyone they come near , and they will be , nearer .
So in all our interests if public transport is going to 50 % capacity.

skelly22

hmmm wrote: »

We're in the middle of a pandemic and doing the best we can to reopen businesses safely until such time as we have a vaccine. You'll be asked to keep away from other people in a pub, and they may have to keep a record of who was in the pub at any one time. You may even be asked to wear a piece of cloth over your mouth. You'll get over it.

Very good, I'd say you'd drink your pint while doing hand-stands if they asked you. You forgot to mention keeping your speech level below a designated decibel level...you know, so you don't become a super-spreader. I definitely won't need to get over it, cos I won't be going.

charlie14

skelly22 wrote: »

Completely irrelevant. And I'm only using pubs as an example. The bottom line is that the virus has been hammered to a pulp in the community & remaining restrictions don't make any sense any more. Nonetheless, there remains a large amount of people happy to take on as many rules as they can manage, the more the merrier in fact. I think quite a few people on here need to get out & get some sun. Build up the defences for the Apocalyptic 2nd Wave, now scheduled for October if I can believe the pro-lockdown die-hards. The sky isn't falling in on us out there you
know.

South Korea had pulped it even more than we have yet one weekend this guy decides to visit a number of clubs.A sudden spike in cases with 35 traced to him alone and a scramble to trace and test 5,000.

acequion

What do face visors, perspex screens, masks, distance markings, constant queues, form filling on a night out, close contact tracing, quarantine, isolation, no chit chat, no browsing and deffo no touching of any kind all have in common?

There are all part of the new normal,dystopian utilitarian post Covid 19 world. Utterly and totally soul destroying. Utterly and totally joyless. Will such measures deter people from what used to be pleasurable leisure activities? You bet they will. Who goes shopping, to the pub,restaurant, hairdresser, hotel break to be micro regulated to within an inch of their lives?? Closures and bankruptcies are a given.

Now I'm not quite saying that all of these measures are unnecessary because as yet I don't know. But I am saying that they are utter misery and it quite amazes me to see so many posters, including our usual pro tight restriction brigade, gleefully jumping onto the bandwagon as if they are happy that life will be like this! :eek: Yes we all want to save lives and yes we all want rid of Covid but you'd have to wonder if the cure will be even worse than the disease.

skelly22

charlie14 wrote: »

South Korea had pulped it even more than we have yet one weekend this guy decides to visit a number of clubs.A sudden spike in cases with 35 traced to him alone and a scramble to trace and test 5,000.

Look, if that has you in a state of panic, you should probably stay home. And maybe stay away from your tv for a while too.

charlie14

Goldengirl wrote: »

True a lot could care less , but they will have to be a rule , no mask no travel .
And yes the mask is to protect others , but in order for YOU to be protected it needs everyone to buy in to wearing masks otherwise no good if only 50% wearing them .
The asymptomatic non maskwearing traveller will infect everyone they come near , and they will be , nearer .
So in all our interests if public transport is going to 50 % capacity.

I am starting to form the opinion that many of those that were opposed to any form of lockdown are now with restrictions being lifted not happy because they have less to whinge about and have moved on to face masks as a substitute.

hmmm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

And this is the point I made earlier.. Why would you spend (probably more) money for an "experience" like that?

It's absolutely not the businesses fault but they'll have reduced trade anyway. If still more people decide not to bother, many will struggle and close. As I said a few days ago too, with them being "open" the subsidises for staff wages from the government won't be there either.

This half-open approach will do more harm than good I fear.

"Half open approach". As if we have a choice in the middle of a pandemic.

It's either re-open while trying to make it as safe as possible, or stay closed. There is no other option available in the coming months, and whinging and crying about it isn't going to change anything.

Most people will make the best of it, and we'll do it because we care about our families and our communities.

hmmm

charlie14 wrote: »

I am starting to form the opinion that many of those that were opposed to any form of lockdown are now with restrictions being lifted not happy because they have less to whinge about and have moved on to face masks as a substitute.

There's also a certain anti-vaxxer element who want all restrictions lifted. There's no "out" for them other than herd immunity - while the rest of us might be waiting to see whether vaccines are successful, from their perspective they might as well let those who are going to die, die, and do it as quickly as possible.

charlie14

skelly22 wrote: »

Look, if that has you in a state of panic, you should probably stay home. And maybe stay away from your tv for a while too.

I`m not in any state of panic. I have been working all through this lockdown as my job is designated as a vital service and I have seen some of the moronic, could not care less behaviour of so many, that I fully understand why these actual quite minimal restrictions are still needed.