Masks

DevilsHaircut · 24-06-2020 11:35PM

Yes: other

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Why would I be disappointed?? No need for sarcasm, I was merely pointing out to you that memos don't always equate done deals.

Like i said in my reply to you if it gets a clear run and the legal side of it is sorted then it goes through cabinet without issue.

Enforcement is another thing altogether.

It looks like a bit more than a memo, from the reporting.

There's an awful lot of 'sarcasm' (and bullying) on the main thread, of which you've become a popular poster among the exiled 'restrictions' thread people.

Talking about the difficulties of enforcement when many countries have already mandated and enforced mask wearing in different situations seems to me like you're saying to people 'there's nothing they can do - be grand'.

What they can do is fine people as they do for littering, dog **** etc.

DevilsHaircut · 24-06-2020 11:42PM

Yes: other

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

"Anti-masker". Get into bed

That's a clumsy dodge.

Are you pro or anti the Irish government's move.

stephenjmcd · 24-06-2020 11:44PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

It looks like a bit more than a memo, from the reporting.

There's an awful lot of 'sarcasm' (and bullying) on the main thread, of which you've become a popular poster among the exiled 'restrictions' thread people.

Talking about the difficulties of enforcement when many countries have already mandated and enforced mask wearing in different situations seems to me like you're saying to people 'there's nothing they can do - be grand'.

What they can do is fine people as they do for littering, dog **** etc.

Well it was reported as a memo wasn't it so we take that report at face value until it goes before cabinet. Its described as a memo I gave you the process for a memo. Until its reported otherwise its a memo to cabinet for discussion.

Thanks for the personal dig there. On the main thread I post facts relating to HSE operations reports amongst other things while also backing up statements with sources and data. Are you accusing me of bullying now ? If so report me no problem, a baseless claim.

We aren't other countries, we don't have a dedicated transport police(which we should have), do you actually think Gardai are going to be on buses ? Like really come on, they're completely over stretched as it is.

I'm not saying there's nothing they can't do it'll probably be worked into the public transport bye laws, its who enforces the bye laws ?? Thats going to be the issue here. Unions aren't going to want drivers to be the ones doing it, why would they? Some parts of Dublin are dangerous enough to drive a bus around at night without getting more agro.

So who enforces whatever bye laws are set ? Its a legitimate observation and question that'll need answering at the end of the day not a smart arse answer about sarcasm as a deflection to a genuie question.

DevilsHaircut · 24-06-2020 11:45PM

Yes: other

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

No legislation no masks

Nope.

It's allowing the individual public transport providers to refuse carriage for not wearing one.

BTW I think you are really anti-mask after all :rolleyes:

ExMachina1000 · 24-06-2020 11:46PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well it was reported as a memo wasn't it so we take that report at face value until it goes before cabinet. Its described as a memo I gave you the process for a memo. Until its reported otherwise its a memo to cabinet for discussion.

Thanks for the personal dig there. On the main thread I post facts relating to HSE operations reports amongst other things while also backing up statements with sources and data. Are you accusing me of bullying now ? If so report me no problem, a baseless claim.

We aren't other countries, we don't have a dedicated transport police, do you actually think Gardai are going to be on buses ? Like really come on, they're completely over stretched as it is.

I'm not saying there's nothing they can't do it'll probably be worked into the public transport bye laws, its who enforces the bye laws ?? Thats going to be the issue here. Unions aren't going to want drivers to be the ones doing it, why would they? Some parts of Dublin are dangerous enough to drive a bus around at night without getting more agro.

I tried that already. Waste of time

ExMachina1000 · 24-06-2020 11:47PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Nope.

It's allowing the individual public transport providers to refuse carriage for not wearing one.

BTW I think you are really anti-mask after all :rolleyes:

Has legislation been passed?

DevilsHaircut · 24-06-2020 11:48PM

Yes: other

All the 'restrictions' people are suddenly swarming on the masks thread.

They thought that one had been seen off long ago

Juwwi · 24-06-2020 11:51PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

All the 'restrictions' people are suddenly swarming on the masks thread.

They thought that one had been seen off long ago

You would of thought it would be good for the economy if people start buying masks .

DevilsHaircut · 24-06-2020 11:54PM

Yes: other

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Has legislation been passed?

Funny that you 'restrictions' thread people are all about the law when you seem to be generally anti any Covid laws that have been introduced and pointing out loopholes.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 24-06-2020 11:58PM

Yes: homemade

One other person in Supermarket tonight with a mask.

People don’t care.

ExMachina1000 · 24-06-2020 11:59PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Funny that you 'restrictions' thread people are all about the law when you seem to be generally anti any Covid laws that have been introduced and pointing out loopholes.

Laws cant be brought in without a bill being proposed, debated ,agreed upon and then signed off by the president.

That's actually how it works.

I'm asking has legislation been implemented.

You've called me an "anti masker" and a "restrictions person ".

We are operating in different spaces.

stephenjmcd · 25-06-2020 12:02AM

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Laws cant be brought in without a bill being proposed, debated ,agreed upon and then signed off by the president.

That's actually how it works.

I'm asking has legislation been implemented.

You've called me an "anti masker" and a "restrictions person ".

We are operating in different spaces.

The only thing I will say on that is Harris has temporary emergency legislation that he can use, now its how that legislation interacts in terms of the ability to change other legislation in this case public transport bye laws which I would suspect has been the sticking point but that they reckon they've found something to work around it based on whatever advice the attorney general has given.

But likewise if I point out practical issues with enforcement it becomes telling people to break the law appearently, its trying to engage in an adult discussion on an actual issue to be addressed and how it would be addressed. I'm yet to actually see a practical suggestion as to how you get compliance to a reasonable level

Beasty · 25-06-2020 12:10AM

No: I don't care enough

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

There's an awful lot of 'sarcasm' (and bullying) on the main thread, of which you've become a popular poster among the exiled 'restrictions' thread people.

Discuss the topic, not other posters

Morrison J · 25-06-2020 12:17AM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

No. They've been strongly advising masks on public transport/in shops for c. 6 weeks.

The fact that the Irish public have ignored to them is a legal/behavioural matter, not a public health one that they need to involve themselves in.

Think you're definition of "strongly" differs to mine. Leo didn't mention face masks once in his last speech.

Leadership is all about tone and emphasis on the important matters. Our leadership completely failed when it came to highlighting the necessity of wearing a mask. Saying things like "people are allergic to them so we can't make them mandatory" automatically diminishes how the general public view their importance.

The mask issue has been a complete failure stemming from poor leadership. Not the fault of the Irish public. Just glad our leaders have noted this and have finally changed their tone on them. Bit late but better than never.

ExMachina1000 · 25-06-2020 12:18AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

I didn't.

You still haven't answered the question I asked about whether you were always pro or anti mask and your posts strongly indicate that you were always anti.

Your response of 'We are operating in different spaces' is a classic deflection technique that must have been taught in the 'restrictions' thread (maybe by plumbthedepths, who has been banned and since unfortunately migrated to the main thread).

The technique unfortunately used by governments as well.

Iv explained to you that my interest is in the legal process. You stated that the UK didn't debate the topic in parliament . I gave you a quote of the details of the legislation and how it works.

Then came the "anti masker" and "restrictions people " comments. You just accused me of being an " anti masker" again.

As I said we are operating on different levels.

Arrival · 25-06-2020 03:24AM

NotMOL wrote: »

Most people are not scumbags so they will wear a face covering if it is made mandatory, especially if people are told that wearing the mask helps prevent someone spreading it to a vulnerable person.

Of course there will be the few rebels and scumbags who will try to break the rule but the vast majority of people are mature enough to understand.

People who are already aware of why masks are needed, that they help prevent themselves possibly passing it on unknowingly, but don't wear one because they're not mandatory would also be considered scumbags in my eyes. People shouldn't be waiting on the sidelines to do something which can help people around them

Arrival · 25-06-2020 03:33AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I'm saying its a measure that should have been looked at ages ago.

Seems to be an Irish thing that we look at things months later when the horse has already bolted.

So you're saying they should've been implemented in March, but it's pointless implementing them now. But that doesn't really make sense because numbers wise we're basically back to where we were at the start, so we can learn from what we should've done then and do it now going forward before the numbers increase amongst the community. Having everyone wear masks and physically distance as much as possible while in public would work well, but they just need to really explain why masks are needed now - they're failing, unsurprisingly, once again in this regard

is_that_so · 25-06-2020 08:00AM

No: other

Haylee Cuddly Stitch wrote: »

One other person in Supermarket tonight with a mask.

People don’t care.

If you can't socially distance is the advisory. With numbers controlled by shops that is probably less of an issue in supermarkets plus months of such restrictions suggests that it is not really a high risk location.

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 08:05AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

stephenjmcd wrote: »

in terms of Dublin bus its full weekday service with 17 passengers on a double decker bus.

The reality is far different from that. Most buses at rush hour were 50/75% full. Yet no clusters.

stephenjmcd · 25-06-2020 08:18AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

The reality is far different from that. Most buses at rush hour were 50/75% full. Yet no clusters.

Oh I agree. I've been on services this week with 30+ on board

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 08:22AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Oh I agree. I've been on services this week with 30+ on board

If it becomes mandatory I’ll be taking a 1 use mask from work and wearing it until a) wearing it is lifted or b) it’s absolutely threadbare. Then I’ll get another one and start again. Absolutely pointless.

Boggles · 25-06-2020 08:49AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Mask are not, and will not be, mandatory. Suck it up buttercup.

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it becomes mandatory I’ll be taking a 1 use mask from work and wearing it until a) wearing it is lifted or b) it’s absolutely threadbare. Then I’ll get another one and start again. Absolutely pointless.

Okay Buttercup.

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 08:59AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

If it becomes mandatory I’ll be taking a 1 use mask from work and wearing it until a) wearing it is lifted or b) it’s absolutely threadbare. Then I’ll get another one and start again. Absolutely pointless.

The mask isn't for you, so why can't you wear mask for others? Other people can wear a mask to protect you.

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 08:59AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

Okay Buttercup.

They aren't mandatory yet.

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 08:59AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

The mask isn't for you, so why can't you wear mask for others? Other people can wear a mask to protect you.

I've no need for other people to wear a mask for me.

kaahooters · 25-06-2020 09:05AM

Yes: to protect others

people not wearing face masks is the visual repesnetation of the people who refuse to vaccinate.

is_that_so · 25-06-2020 09:07AM

No: other

kaahooters wrote: »

people not wearing face masks is the visual repesnetation of the people who refuse to vaccinate.

Sentences not based on any facet of reality are just that, imaginary. What logic leads you to that conclusion?

Away With The Fairies · 25-06-2020 09:20AM

Yes: valved

weldoninhio wrote: »

I've no need for other people to wear a mask for me.

That's fine if you don't want anyone to wear a mask protect you, people are wearing masks to not just protect you but others around them. But let's discuss your selfishness on why you don't want to protect others, those that are vulnerable and are more at risk of dying from this.

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 09:21AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

kaahooters wrote: »

people not wearing face masks is the visual repesnetation of the people who refuse to vaccinate.

So around 95% of people in Ireland refuse to vaccinate?? What a stupid post.

weldoninhio · 25-06-2020 09:22AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That's fine if you don't want anyone to wear a mask protect you, people are wearing masks to not just protect you but others around them. But let's discuss your selfishness on why you don't want to protect others, those that are vulnerable and are more at risk of dying from this.

I'm grand for discussion with you, thanks. I, and most people on this forum know you aren't looking for that. :rolleyes:

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