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Convective/Thunderstorm Discussion : Spring/Summer 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Could be quite the show up through Leinster if all goes to plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,519 ✭✭✭KildareP


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    ... NORTHERN IRELAND / REPUBLIC OF IRELAND ...
    A few elevated showers/thunderstorms may be possible over Ulster during Thursday morning, clearing northwards. Elsewhere, a northward-moving shortwave may result in some elevated convection developing in the vicinity of the Isles of Scilly / Celtic Sea on Thursday morning, which may bring both an increase in mid-level cloud and perhaps a few elevated showers/thunderstorms into SE Ireland by early afternoon, continuing to lift north with time. Even if this elevated convection is not deep enough to produce lightning, the additional cloud cover spilling north may have some negative impact on surface heating. Assuming the cloud is not too extensive and/or fairly broken, diurnal heating could yield 500-1,000 J/kg CAPE by the afternoon and evening hours. Profiles look capped to surface-based convection initially, but mid-level cooling and lift associated with the aforementioned shortwave could lead to scattered thunderstorms erupting during the evening hours (if not earlier), especially in the vicinity of the Central Plain.

    Similar to western Scotland (albeit profiles slightly more V-B-V), for a few hours the environment would be favourable for cell organisation and possibly supercells capable of producing large hail 3-4cm in diameter, frequent lightning and strong outflow gusts. A SVR has been issued primarily for the risk of locally damaging hail and flash flooding. This will be dependent on sufficient surface heating, otherwise surface-based convection may struggle to initiate. Either way, stronger forcing aloft will arrive towards mid-evening, and so thunderstorms are likely to become more numerous and increasingly elevated, especially across central/northern Ireland and eventually drifting northwards offshore over the Atlantic and towards the Hebrides. With several thunderstorms potentially training over similar areas, this will bring the risk of local flooding. Most storms will generally drift to the N or NNW, but if mid-level rotation becomes strong enough some may deviate more to the NE.

    Good grief.

    Don't think I've seen a convective weather forecast that serious for Ireland!

    I know it's not a given but hail 3-4cm isn't going to have a pleasant outcome.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,243 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Just a side note for anyone reading through these threads. the amount of dogs that go missing during thunderstorms is very high so keep them in tomorrow evening/night.


  • Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭To Alcohol


    Just a side note for anyone reading through these threads. the amount of dogs that go missing during thunderstorms is very high so keep them in tomorrow evening/night.

    What about cats?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    sun just gone down dramatically,west Mayo.

    FYH1Fpcr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    To Alcohol wrote: »
    What about cats?

    The weather does equality hence the term cats and dogs

    Looking forward to seeing what this system has tomorrow serious show hopefully


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Sun down ,west Mayo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    All charged up and ready to go here


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


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    Surely this chart is a bit OTT for Ireland.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Sgt. Bilko 09


    Gonzo wrote: »
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    Surely this chart is a bit OTT for Ireland.

    It’s crazy, the midlands is going to the hit pretty hard I reckon predicted 28


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭esposito


    Gonzo wrote: »
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    Surely this chart is a bit OTT for Ireland.

    Still looks amazing though. Not often you see that at all for our little country. Just hoping to see some decent lightning and hear continuous thunder in Dublin even if it's only for a couple of hours. I'll be happy with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭pad199207


    Gonzo wrote: »
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    Surely this chart is a bit OTT for Ireland.

    Everybody to Kildare/Meath so ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    To Alcohol wrote: »
    What about cats?

    They're more 'chill'.

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    They're more 'chill'.

    cats-chicken-hat

    2 of our indoor cats would disagree with you on that. I can guarantee there will be dogs around here going nuts tomorrow if the thunder and lightning starts.
    Is it due to get windy as well, wondering should I take the parasol down


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Everybody to Kildare/Meath so ;)

    What are you babbling about?

    Dublin's in there like swim wear.

    This is our moment :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    Looking forward to tomorrow. Will make the most of the sunny weather in the morning so I'll get the grass cut and ill do a few errands. Back at lunchtime to relax and hopefully we wil see some activity by evening. I'm in West Dublin, near Kildare so I may even jump in the car and drive inland if storms are in the area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭pad199207


    What are you babbling about?

    Dublin's in there like swim wear.

    This is our moment :pac:

    Ok I’ll say Greater Dublin then. Does that sound better? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭pad199207


    What are you babbling about?

    Dublin's in there like swim wear.

    This is our moment :pac:

    Ok I’ll say Greater Dublin then. Does that sound better? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    I have to drive from Dublin to cavan from 12 pm tomorrow evening then back down to Oldcastle, Trim direction on way back then home looks like im in for some night have two dashcams and two cameras fully charged ready to go...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,132 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    pad199207 wrote: »
    Ok I’ll say Greater Dublin then. Does that sound better? ;)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭rovers_runner


    North Sligo and South Donegal will be the place to be again tomorrow.
    It got a serious going over the last weekend.
    Mullaghmore head across to Killibegs and around Bundoran and Donegal Town I'm thinking looking at the runs after dusk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Some big storms over northern Spain earlier today and it this same air mass that will bring tomorrow's potential up over the east of Ireland.

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    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭To Alcohol


    Gonzo wrote: »
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    Surely this chart is a bit OTT for Ireland.

    Lifted index values rarely go below -7. Is this chart a nonsense?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Sky is spectacular here in north Dublin particularly looking east. Charred up and not dissimilar to what you'd see in the US mid west desert regions this time of year.

    Unusual to see here and screaming instability to come :cool:

    Took a pic of it earlier, south coast near kinsale.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,999 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    To Alcohol wrote: »
    Lifted index values rarely go below -7. Is this chart a nonsense?

    it's very unlikely to be as intense as that shows. If we get to half that level of risk we are doing really well. Even for the south-eastern UK you don't see thunderstorm risk charts that intense very often.

    I'd be happy just to see a few flashes of lightning tomorrow night, i'm hoping it stays mostly dry, warm and sunny during daylight hours tomorrow to get the most out of the potential heat.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭mike2084


    Is North Kerry out of the firing line tomorrow? I ask this as being one of the few on here that's terrified of thunderstorms :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    To Alcohol wrote: »
    Lifted index values rarely go below -7. Is this chart a nonsense?

    Not only is it nonsense, it's absolute nonsense.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    AROME as high as 1500 to 1600 J/Kj in places, dont see that every day and quite a reliable model, not one to overdo it that is for sure.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭Paso Fino


    Charging up the GoPro with the hopes that we'll get some sparks in North Dublin - everything crossed that we get a good show


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    If Cork misses out again, I'm going to move.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭pad199207


    What a sky
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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    Another sky pic.. like a painting!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Anyone know why or what weather pattern caused the lovely cloudscapes this evening?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Those alcotumuls floccus and castellanus were reported at 11,000-12,000 feet at Dublin Airport and Casement tonight. Layers of upper instability, as seen in this ECM sounding for the Dublin area at 21Z. That moist layer just above 700 hPa will be the source of the instability that formed the clouds.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    It's that type of late evening where everything is still and you can hear sounds from miles away. Currently listening to the delightful sound of droney boy racer cars having some sort of rally somewhere.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,507 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    If Cork misses out again, I'm going to move.

    Cork just isn't geographically suited to storms I think. Big old pool of deep permanently cold ocean on your doorstep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    Oneiric 3 wrote: »
    It's that type of late evening where everything is still and you can hear sounds from miles away. Currently listening to the delightful sound of droney boy racer cars having some sort of rally somewhere.

    Afew of the townlands having Bonfire Night tonight, plumes of smoke drifting over the fields and bogs


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,283 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    I am going to temporarily close this thread for today and tonight.

    All discussion for today and tonight's (potential) events >>> https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058090101


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    (Moved post from event thread )


    More on the way today ( edit ), might even see sparks in the SW. Some very heavy showers showing up and getting breezy and windy on the coasts.




    ECM showing decent CAPE values in Leinster earlier in the day and later in Northern counties. Early afternoon very decent CAPE values in the SW, fair chance of thunderstorms and possibly a few along Southern coasts also.

    Lapse rates good, Low level shear good. Deep layer Shear not bad, Lapse rates very good with very cold uppers spreading inland during the day. Bit of a negative tilt on the upper Low, nice vorticity , might see a few funnels.

    So, over to us in the SW tomorrow afternoon, we will show you how it is done :D

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭lolie


    Radar starting to look very lively up north now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭highdef




    Did a few quick timelapses showing the convection in North kildare. Might have caught a brief funnel at about 17 seconds.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2 Charlie Blackwood


    Roll of thunder a moment ago, with heavy rain. We are in Cavan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,243 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Some sparks along that intense rain band from Dundalk to Letterkenny


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭Scrabbel


    Hi,
    A question for the very helpful experts who post on this board (your knowledge-sharing is really appreciated).

    For those of us who don't have much sense of how CAPE, shear and other things like that interact and affect the likelihood of thunderstorms, is there a reasonably reliable overall measure of thunderstorm probability (and charts showing it) that we can jump straight to?

    I see one measure called KO index for some models on Meteologix that sounds like it might be something along these lines. Is that a good composite measure or are there better ones that we can see on these sites?

    Would appreciate any guidance. Thanks


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,801 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I'd like to know too!

    Are these measures of buoyancy? The upward push of rising air?
    Scrabbel wrote: »
    Hi,
    A question for the very helpful experts who post on this board (your knowledge-sharing is really appreciated).

    For those of us who don't have much sense of how CAPE, shear and other things like that interact and affect the likelihood of thunderstorms, is there a reasonably reliable overall measure of thunderstorm probability (and charts showing it) that we can jump straight to?

    I see one measure called KO index for some models on Meteologix that sounds like it might be something along these lines. Is that a good composite measure or are there better ones that we can see on these sites?

    Would appreciate any guidance. Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭highdef


    highdef wrote: »


    Did a few quick timelapses showing the convection in North kildare. Might have caught a brief funnel at about 17 seconds.

    Fixed my timelapse link. There was an issue with it, also HD now


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,208 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Big convective showers but no sparks here in Kerry, less showers in the afternoon although one going through now, sunshine breaking through at least, breezy. A few sparks now near Rathcormac Co Cork. Looks like a rough day in Northern counties.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,988 ✭✭✭spookwoman


    Some rumbles in waterford with heavy showers


  • Registered Users Posts: 152 ✭✭vikings2012


    Thunder and heavy rain in east Waterford at present


  • Registered Users Posts: 34 Teemarie


    Rumbles of thunder and downpours now south wexford.


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