How will schools be able to go back in September?

khalessi wrote: »

Well from what Ive seen the education sector want to go back in September they just wanted to ensure hygiene standards and guidelines in place to deal with children or staff or their families who develop covid19.

So the argument is not about going back but about proper hygiene and guidelines. Every teacher here has said they look forward to returning to school in September.

Well the issue seems to change depending. We've had lack of social distancing, then ppe, then over crowded classes, no toilets, no hot water, immune suppressed staff, immune suppressed students. Really at this stage we have had a huge variety of why schools cant go back in September as normal

jrosen wrote: »

Well the issue seems to change depending. We've had lack of social distancing, then ppe, then over crowded classes, no toilets, no hot water, immune suppressed staff, immune suppressed students. Really at this stage we have had a huge variety of why schools cant go back in September as normal

Yep that all had to do with directives and guidelines issued to other businesses reopening meanwhile the vast majority of non teachers who have no experience of how schools work, were like just open and get on with it.

As was pointed out guidelines were needed and guidelines similar to other reopening businesses as schools shouldnt just get on with it, when there is a pandemic.

It beggars belief that those issues still have to be explained to people on this thread who just dont really give a damn about schools and hide it behind cries of the children need their education. I do sometimes wonder how thick people are.

Yes they do and it should be in a safe environment. So if in September that is just proper cleaning and cough etiquette, hand washing fine but to have reopened schools withouth proper guidelines is madness. Teachers call for this to protect the children, the staff and visitors and their families.

khalessi wrote: »

Yep that all had to do with directives and guidelines issued to other businesses reopening meanwhile the vast majority of non teachers who have no experience of how schools work, were like just open and get on with it.

As was pointed out guidelines were needed and guidelines similar to other reopening businesses as schools shouldnt just get on with it, when there is a pandemic.

It beggars belief that those issues still have to be explained to people on this thread who just dont really give a damn about schools and hide it behind cries of the children need their education. I do sometimes wonder how thick people are.

Yes they do and it should be in a safe environment. So if in September that is just proper cleaning and cough etiquette, hand washing fine but to have reopened schools withouth proper guidelines is madness. Teachers call for this to protect the children, the staff and visitors and their families.

It actually beggars belief that there is still no plan. Schools and business are closed since march. Its laughable there is still nothing

jrosen wrote: »

My point was both these industries can not social distance and yet open on Monday.

They are compensating by wearing masks.

Questions still stands, do you think Kids and Teachers should wear masks?

jrosen wrote: »

If wearing a mask is going to make a teacher feel safe and want to actually go to work then yes I would be supportive of mask wearing in schools for students and staff that can.

WHere has it been said teachers dont want to go to work?

I cant imagine it will be easy to teach with masks on so would teachers be happy with see through face shields if they feel they need them ?

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The shields are 100% much more comfortable to wear and definitely less claustrophobic, some people find them less intimidating from a visual perspective too.

They can be wiped down so less waste/cost, also have the benefit of covering the entire face and eyes.

There hasnt been extensive studies on their efficacy over surgical face masks but from a wearers point of view I much prefer them over the masks.

Have you been wearing them?

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Yes I wear them everyday for work, I wouldn't wear one heading to the shops or out in public though.

So you have been wearing ppe everyday for work yet advocating the reopening of schools without it! Constantly telling teachers that call for ppe is ott. Unbelievable!!

jrosen wrote: »

False. The go ahead for beauty to open Monday June 29th was done prior to any guidelines being issued. Business literally had no clue what they needed to do. They were winging it based on other countries and general covid health measures.

Or in other words, true.

Salons were not due to open until phase 5, 20th July.

NPHET has now recommended to the government that hairdressers and barbers should be allowed to reopen at the end of the month.

This recommendation will be subject to Cabinet approval tomorrow.

NPHET’s recommendation comes after the Irish Hairdressers Federation published guidelines recently which it says would allow hair salons to reopen safely in Phase Three, which is due on 29 June.

There are over 100 specific recommendations within the document to safeguard staff and customers.

thomasdylan wrote: »

I agree nurses are undervalued and underpaid.

I don't know what you mean by nurses being expected to take on doctors roles though. If you're talking about the 'transfer of tasks', payrises we're given for that 5 or 6 years ago even though it wasn't fully implemented.

Please dont under valuate yourself. Of course your taking on Drs roles. Are you taking blood. Putting up drips I can go on. You are and you shouldnt be doing it

jrosen wrote: »

The IHF had come up with their own guidelines and presented these to NPHET.

I know. I said it in a post you replied to.

Boggles wrote: »

Salons have been give a fairly detailed manual of recommendations on how to reopen which has been signed off on by NPHET.