khalessi wrote: » Well from what Ive seen the education sector want to go back in September they just wanted to ensure hygiene standards and guidelines in place to deal with children or staff or their families who develop covid19. So the argument is not about going back but about proper hygiene and guidelines. Every teacher here has said they look forward to returning to school in September.
jrosen wrote: » From Monday hair and beauty is back. Totally non essential. None of those staff can social distance. The will be in actual physical contact with members of the public all day every day. For beauty some of those treatments will happen in closed rooms. They will have basic masks and gloves to wear. So if non essential industries can come back and work every day an not social distance then come September (if things remain the same) then what argument can the education sector have?
jrosen wrote: » Well the issue seems to change depending. We've had lack of social distancing, then ppe, then over crowded classes, no toilets, no hot water, immune suppressed staff, immune suppressed students. Really at this stage we have had a huge variety of why schools cant go back in September as normal
Boggles wrote: » Salons have been give a fairly detailed manual of recommendations on how to reopen which has been signed off on by NPHET. The vast majority of people who use salons are adults, when kids of a certain age use them they are accompanied by adults. Are you suggesting kids and teachers should wear masks and gloves given the comparison you made?
khalessi wrote: » Yep that all had to do with directives and guidelines issued to other businesses reopening meanwhile the vast majority of non teachers who have no experience of how schools work, were like just open and get on with it. As was pointed out guidelines were needed and guidelines similar to other reopening businesses as schools shouldnt just get on with it, when there is a pandemic. It beggars belief that those issues still have to be explained to people on this thread who just dont really give a damn about schools and hide it behind cries of the children need their education. I do sometimes wonder how thick people are. Yes they do and it should be in a safe environment. So if in September that is just proper cleaning and cough etiquette, hand washing fine but to have reopened schools withouth proper guidelines is madness. Teachers call for this to protect the children, the staff and visitors and their families.
jrosen wrote: » It actually beggars belief that there is still no plan. Schools and business are closed since march. Its laughable there is still nothing
jrosen wrote: » My point was both these industries can not social distance and yet open on Monday.
Boggles wrote: » They are compensating by wearing masks. Questions still stands, do you think Kids and Teachers should wear masks?
jrosen wrote: » If wearing a mask is going to make a teacher feel safe and want to actually go to work then yes I would be supportive of mask wearing in schools for students and staff that can.
khalessi wrote: » WHere has it been said teachers dont want to go to work?
Boggles wrote: » It's not about "feelings". The reason salons got the go ahead to reopen is because staff and clients will wear masks, amongst many other protocols. If masks are mandated for in schools it will be across the board, it won't be an optional measure. Obviously people who can't wear them for whatever reason won't be expected to.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Maybe it will be 'recommended' for secondary students but not likely for younger kids. It won't be mandatory anyway, mask wearing wasn't mandatory during the peak so it certainly won't be five or so months after it.
bettyoleary wrote: » Nurses wont even stay in Ireland during normal times because of the low wages. It is a joke that nurses are expected to pay for university education and then take on roles of doctors to save the HSE money. .
iamwhoiam wrote: » I cant imagine it will be easy to teach with masks on so would teachers be happy with see through face shields if they feel they need them ?
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » The shields are 100% much more comfortable to wear and definitely less claustrophobic, some people find them less intimidating from a visual perspective too. They can be wiped down so less waste/cost, also have the benefit of covering the entire face and eyes. There hasnt been extensive studies on their efficacy over surgical face masks but from a wearers point of view I much prefer them over the masks.
khalessi wrote: » Have you been wearing them?
jrosen wrote: » False. The go ahead for beauty to open Monday June 29th was done prior to any guidelines being issued. Business literally had no clue what they needed to do. They were winging it based on other countries and general covid health measures.
Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: » Yes I wear them everyday for work, I wouldn't wear one heading to the shops or out in public though.
khalessi wrote: » According to the The Irish Hairdressers Federation, there are guidelines which they have been working on for months "“For the past three months we have been working tirelessly on preparing our guidelines for reopening the sector safely and responsibly, working with expert advisers and engaging with government.’’https://www.thejournal.ie/when-are-hairdresser-and-barbers-reopening-5127214-Jun2020/
NPHET has now recommended to the government that hairdressers and barbers should be allowed to reopen at the end of the month. This recommendation will be subject to Cabinet approval tomorrow.NPHET’s recommendation comes after the Irish Hairdressers Federation published guidelines recently which it says would allow hair salons to reopen safely in Phase Three, which is due on 29 June.There are over 100 specific recommendations within the document to safeguard staff and customers.
khalessi wrote: » So you have been wearing ppe everyday for work yet advocating the reopening of schools without it! Constantly telling teachers that call for ppe is ott. Unbelievable!!
thomasdylan wrote: » I agree nurses are undervalued and underpaid. I don't know what you mean by nurses being expected to take on doctors roles though. If you're talking about the 'transfer of tasks', payrises we're given for that 5 or 6 years ago even though it wasn't fully implemented.
Boggles wrote: » Or in other words, true. Salons were not due to open until phase 5, 20th July.
jrosen wrote: » The IHF had come up with their own guidelines and presented these to NPHET.
Boggles wrote: » Salons have been give a fairly detailed manual of recommendations on how to reopen which has been signed off on by NPHET.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Would you be happy to wear a face shield if need be ?
