How will schools be able to go back in September?

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Where can this information be found? And why do you think they can’t seem to run their department with all these post grads and doctorates they have? Because I wikid the ministers and they were just that- teaching and arts graduates. At least the ministers get voted out and reshuffled every so often. Civil service personnel can be there for 100s of years.

The ministers are the face of the department, the department is the civil service. You should watch Yes Prime Minister apparently very accurate in some areas.
Not 100s they get pensioned off:D

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Should be no issues re health and safety for teachers then.

Dearest Lilyfae we have tried to explain but to no avail if you want to know the ins and outs of hygiene in covid ireland come work in a school.

No point in debating with someone with no understanding of how schools work but yet has all the answers.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

Dearest Lilyfae we have tried to explain but to no avail if you want to know the ins and outs of hygiene in covid ireland come work in a school.

No point in debating with someone with no understanding of how schools work but yet has all the answers.

The schools were all closed throughout Covid in Ireland so not going to be much use as an example of hygiene or anything really during that period.

By the time schools are back the requirements will be much more minimal.

downthemiddle

jrosen wrote: »

June 29th will see summer camps open. Unfortunately some camps have decided not to proceed this Summer and some places who host other camps will also not run. I believe the application and clearance process was incredibly slow and some clubs have simply opted out and are focusing on just getting themselves up and running for the new sports year.

So parents who rely heavily on camps to get them through the long summer break could find themselves with no camp spot.

Summer camps are actually starting on July 20th.

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

Dearest Lilyfae we have tried to explain but to no avail if you want to know the ins and outs of hygiene in covid ireland come work in a school.

No point in debating with someone with no understanding of how schools work but yet has all the answers.

Coming from a family of teachers I know a bit, I’m trying to understand better, hence my questions. The thing is, I don’t expect you to have all the answers as that’s not your job. That’s an expectation, or an authority, that you’ve assigned yourself. Not knowing everything about school or department management doesn’t mean that you aren’t doing your job, why do you take it so personally??

Apologies if my questions make you feel uncomfortable and invoke answers of “watch a TV show, it’s a bit like that”, that’s not my intention at all. I am trying to understand why the running of schools through the crisis and before is such a shambles, and none of that is yours and your colleagues responsibilities. No hot water, no toilet paper, no colouring pencils for gods sake! And when I ask who’s running the department, you turn to magically support them aswell? Khalessi it’s just contrarian at this stage.

khalessi

Lillyfae wrote: »

Coming from a family of teachers I know a bit, I’m trying to understand better, hence my questions. The thing is, I don’t expect you to have all the answers as that’s not your job. That’s an expectation, or an authority, that you’ve assigned yourself. Not knowing everything about school or department management doesn’t mean that you aren’t doing your job, why do you take it so personally??

Apologies if my questions make you feel uncomfortable and invoke answers of “watch a TV show, it’s a bit like that”, that’s not my intention at all. I am trying to understand why the running of schools through the crisis and before is such a shambles, and none of that is yours and your colleagues responsibilities. No hot water, no toilet paper, no colouring pencils for gods sake! And when I ask who’s running the department, you turn to magically support them aswell? Khalessi it’s just contrarian at this stage.

Lack of finanacial input for many years. The budget is ample enough and they dont seem interested in increasing it. Same with Health

Lillyfae

khalessi wrote: »

Lack of finanacial input for many years. The budget is ample enough and they dont seem interested in increasing it. Same with Health

Well we know that the health budget is ample enough, it’s just going on paper pushers and not, er, health. Poor management.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It doesn't work though, even the parents with the best will cannot get their kids to engage in it long term.

I know many parents who have just given up trying to even get a small amount of work done.

They have given up weeks ago.

I love your little anecdotes that only ever confirm what you already believe.
I know many parents who are still actively engaged in the children's learning. Some of them are posting on behalf of their child, in the middle of the night, after long hospital shifts. They have continued to encourage their children and recognise the value of embedding perseverance in the children.
I have seen the messages of gratitude they have sent to the schools acknowledging the efforts of teachers. They recognise that, while the situation is far from perfect, the schools in question have risen to the challenge. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can generalise for everyone.

Lillyfae

downthemiddle wrote: »

I love your little anecdotes that only ever confirm what you already believe.
Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can generalise for everyone.

Likewise. If everyone is doing so well, why do we need schools at all?

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The schools were all closed throughout Covid in Ireland so not going to be much use as an example of hygiene or anything really during that period.

By the time schools are back the requirements will be much more minimal.

Oh dont worry the virus hasnt gone. It will be hibernating, as yourself and others have pointed out we have to learn to live with it. Going by todays staff meeting there will be a variety of protocols in place in September, ranging from hand hygiene up to localised lockdown where necessary.

downthemiddle

Lillyfae wrote: »

Likewise. If everyone is doing so well, why do we need schools at all?

A totally disingenuous editing of my post. Give yourself a gold star.

iamwhoiam

downthemiddle wrote: »

I love your little anecdotes that only ever confirm what you already believe.
I know many parents who are still actively engaged in the children's learning. Some of them are posting on behalf of their child, in the middle of the night, after long hospital shifts. They have continued to encourage their children and recognise the value of embedding perseverance in the children.
I have seen the messages of gratitude they have sent to the schools acknowledging the efforts of teachers. They recognise that, while the situation is far from perfect, the schools in question have risen to the challenge. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can generalise for everyone.

I know many , including my own family , struggling badly with home schooling . Both parents working at home with small babies and trying to deal with schooling etc
Many caring for kids with special needs or caring for sick children with additional needs .
It is most definitely not ideal for many who are juggling work , kids , schooling etc

ldy4mxonucwsq6

downthemiddle wrote: »

I love your little anecdotes that only ever confirm what you already believe.
I know many parents who are still actively engaged in the children's learning. Some of them are posting on behalf of their child, in the middle of the night, after long hospital shifts. They have continued to encourage their children and recognise the value of embedding perseverance in the children.
I have seen the messages of gratitude they have sent to the schools acknowledging the efforts of teachers. They recognise that, while the situation is far from perfect, the schools in question have risen to the challenge. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean you can generalise for everyone.

Not generalising at all, it's just my experience and that of any parents I've been speaking to about it. Everyone's situation is different as is every child, every family, every school, every teacher.

There are some parents that feel very guilty about not being able to keep their children learning academically and other who are very annoyed at their schools non existent efforts, as there are parents who are perfectly happy with the set up.

As I've said before some schools seem to have done a great job under the circumstances, others have been an absolute joke.

Lillyfae

Apologies for this mods, please feel free to card me.

downthemiddle wrote: »

A totally disingenuous editing of my post. Give yourself a gold star.

Isn’t that your job? :P

downthemiddle

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I know many , including my own family , struggling badly with home schooling . Both parents working at home with small babies and trying to deal with schooling etc
Many caring for kids with special needs or caring for sick children with additional needs .
It is most definitely not ideal for many who are juggling work , kids , schooling etc

Nobody is saying it is ideal. Everyone wants to see the schools reopen fully in September. There are huge strains on families in many different ways. I would be the first to admit that people have been challanged in previously unforeseen ways.
Issues around wellbeing will be an issue when schools reopen. There will be a surge in child protection reports. However, it is to the schools society will look to pick up the pieces and they will rise to the challenge like the majority during the recent crisis.

downthemiddle

Lillyfae wrote: »

Apologies for this mods, please feel free to card me.



Isn’t that your job? :P

I don't give out gold stars. A swing and a miss.
Coming from a family of teachers you can do better.

Lillyfae

downthemiddle wrote: »

I don't give out gold stars. A swing and a miss.
Coming from a family of teachers you can do better.

Can do better was a regular in my day and I did just fine. Do me a favour and come up with something a bit more thoughtful to say to your students, encouragement goes much further than a cliché.

downthemiddle

Lillyfae wrote: »

Can do better was a regular in my day and I did just fine. Do me a favour and come up with something a bit more thoughtful to say to your students, encouragement goes much further than a cliché.

https://gph.is/VwU68n

iamwhoiam

downthemiddle wrote: »

Nobody is saying it is ideal. Everyone wants to see the schools reopen fully in September. There are huge strains on families in many different ways. I would be the first to admit that people have been challanged in previously unforeseen ways.
Issues around wellbeing will be an issue when schools reopen. There will be a surge in child protection reports. However, it is to the schools society will look to pick up the pieces and they will rise to the challenge like the majority during the recent crisis.

Massive strains on families and the vast majority did their best for their kids I am sure
I worry for kids who will have regressed and for kids who needed extra help
A friends young lad has autism , he was doing so well and went from not communicating at all with the classmates to going to birthday parties and joining in. He has now regressed and won’t speak outside the home to anyone at all
He is the tip of the iceberg I fear and I worry for so many children who will be affected by this disaster .
So many workers rose to the challenge frontline and others and I am sure the vast majority of teachers will to

downthemiddle

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Massive strains on families and the vast majority did their best for their kids I am sure
I worry for kids who will have regressed and for kids who needed extra help
A friends young lad has autism , he was doing so well and went from not communicating at all with the classmates to going to birthday parties and joining in. He has now regressed and won’t speak outside the home to anyone at all
He is the tip of the iceberg I fear and I worry for so many children who will be affected by this disaster .
So many rose workers frontline and others to the challenge and I am sure the vast majority of teachers will to

Undoubtedly, there will be many issues across society arising from the lockdown. Society has taken a hit emotionally and financially. The most vulnerable have, in all probability, suffered most.
There is a reason why our education system is so highly regarded, despite the ramblings of a vocal minority here. We will continue to produce a highly educated and skilled workforce who will ensure we overcome the challenges we face. Schools will, clearly, be central to this. Thankfully the vast majority of parents appreciate the role schools play.

mcsean2163

khalessi wrote: »

Too much academic or not enough?Too easy or too hard?

There's a school course book for the year. It appears they covered just under a third of it before lockdown. Homework last week was a third of the book to do in two weeks. There's several things that happened that were real eye openers for me.

I guess it is difficult for teachers to cover all the work when the have to accommodate kids who are at different stages. In saying that, I was in the class and was really impressed with the children. Again, I don't know but I do remember when I was in school, I knew the times tables by first class and had spelling tests etc., i.e. I felt there was a high level of expectation. It was challenging.

Anyway, as of 29th June, I could potentially return to work if we put the youngest in creche and got a nanny for the other two or just be a stay at home Dad... We've been having serious conversations about this and I'll probably come off the PUP and just stay at home for a while as a Dad. Hopefully I won't go insane and neither will the kids.:eek:

So really, for me if we go ahead with stay at home Dad strategy, given the 'distance if possible' + 'playgrounds' I'm hoping the kids will be able to socialise a bit and then it doesn't matter as much for us when the schools go back. The worst thing has been the children not being able to meet friends but my son met his friend down the playground on Saturday which was great and hopefully more of that from my perspective. I may be wrong but restricting the lives of healthy children seems wrong.

I think it's really tough on families where both parents are working. I've been trying to get a business back off the ground and when I'm working and the children start asking questions, I get annoyed at times. It must be very hard if both parents are in demanding jobs or a child has special needs. Society in Ireland revolves around schools, pulling that plug on parents is very distressing.

My wife is a frontline health worker, we've heard of pediatric consultants mystified by the stance put forward by many school teachers, people working in supermarkets. Postmen, prison guards, bin services all remained open but the schools have stayed closed. Right now, COVID19 is rampant in Brazil/ Chile, i.e. it is kicking off hugely in the Southern hemisphere. Will it be seasonal like flu? I don't know. Nobody knows.

Schools could be trialling 2 metre, 1 metre, pods, etc. but instead... nothing. Nothing but squabbling.

Anyway, good luck to concerned parents and conscientious teachers, hopefully we'll come out the other side ok.

Mrsmum

The thing that worries me is the different levels of interaction with their teacher different children are getting. At least if it was all the same it would be a level playing field. This is particularly acute when you are talking about senior cycle students. For instance on Newstalk this evening there was a discussion about where next year LC students stand and what is going to be done to help them catch up. There was a teacher on and he was saying they are not really much behind at all, that his own daughter doing LC honours Maths was doing great as she had been getting four online Maths classes per week from her teacher all along. I could have thrown the radio at that particular teacher because there he was stating for all the world as if that was the case everywhere. My son who is in the exact same position got one online Maths class per week. Some callers rang in to say the same thing. So for me, that's another area where all this pretence that all students are in the same boat is just utter rubbish. At least if they were back at school, there would be some sort of proper timetable.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

Oh dont worry the virus hasnt gone. It will be hibernating, as yourself and others have pointed out we have to learn to live with it. Going by todays staff meeting there will be a variety of protocols in place in September, ranging from hand hygiene up to localised lockdown where necessary.

There are counties that haven't had any cases for a while now and outside of known clusters we've been told its virtually gone, the numbers are very low.

Does Covid hibernate? I know some viruses can lie dormant (in an already infected person) but don't think that's the case with Covid.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

There are counties that haven't had any cases for a while now and outside of known clusters we've been told its virtually gone, the numbers are very low.

Does Covid hibernate? I know some viruses can lie dormant (in an already infected person) but don't think that's the case with Covid.

Well you know I presume its going somewhere since yourself and others keep saying we have to live with it and there are the usuall oh there will be a second wave. Hibernation seemed a nice cuddly way of thinking about it considering what a horrible affliction it has been in some cointries and continues to be. Hopefully not. But in case it rears its ugly head again in a bad way (which I presume it wont as our hospitals were ready etc) school will be issued a range of suggestions from hand hygiene to localised lockdown.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

There are counties that haven't had any cases for a while now and outside of known clusters we've been told its virtually gone, the numbers are very low.

Does Covid hibernate? I know some viruses can lie dormant (in an already infected person) but don't think that's the case with Covid.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0622/1148824-world-coronavirus-covid19/

More than 183,000 new coronavirus cases were recorded globally yesterday, the most in a single day since the outbreak started.

There are fears of new clusters in the Australian city of Melbourne and Portugal's capital Lisbon, as well as renewed outbreaks in Beijing and other parts of Asia.

"The pandemic is still accelerating," WHO's director general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told the virtual health forum organised by Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

"We know that the pandemic is much more than a health crisis, it is an economic crisis, a social crisis and in many countries a political crisis."

Mr Tedros said the greatest threat facing the world was not the virus itself, which has now killed over 465,000 people and infected nine million, but "the lack of global solidarity and global leadership".

"We cannot defeat this pandemic with a divided world," he said. "The politicisation of the pandemic has exacerbated it."

But illustrating the persisting risks, Portugal Prime Minister Antonio Costa said restrictions on gatherings of more than ten people would be reimposed and cafes and shops ordered to close at 8pm in the capital region.

"These are fire outbreaks and as with all fires, they must be responded to with the necessary means to prevent their spread," State Secretary of Health Antonio Lacerda Sales said.

Australians were also warned to avoid travelling to Melbourne, as the country's second-biggest city tightened restrictions over fears of an upsurge in cases.

Victoria state has recorded more than 110 cases in the past week, many of them in Melbourne, prompting leaders of other regions to warn against visiting the city's six designated virus "hot spots".

China, Germany and Japan are also battling new outbreaks with some reintroducing containment measures.

Boggles

The global pandemic is virtually gone?

I guess it's wine o clock somewhere.

jrosen

Mrsmum wrote: »

The thing that worries me is the different levels of interaction with their teacher different children are getting. At least if it was all the same it would be a level playing field. This is particularly acute when you are talking about senior cycle students. For instance on Newstalk this evening there was a discussion about where next year LC students stand and what is going to be done to help them catch up. There was a teacher on and he was saying they are not really much behind at all, that his own daughter doing LC honours Maths was doing great as she had been getting four online Maths classes per week from her teacher all along. I could have thrown the radio at that particular teacher because there he was stating for all the world as if that was the case everywhere. My son who is in the exact same position got one online Maths class per week. Some callers rang in to say the same thing. So for me, that's another area where all this pretence that all students are in the same boat is just utter rubbish. At least if they were back at school, there would be some sort of proper timetable.

Your right, it is not a level playing field at all.

downthemiddle

Mrsmum wrote: »

The thing that worries me is the different levels of interaction with their teacher different children are getting. At least if it was all the same it would be a level playing field. This is particularly acute when you are talking about senior cycle students. For instance on Newstalk this evening there was a discussion about where next year LC students stand and what is going to be done to help them catch up. There was a teacher on and he was saying they are not really much behind at all, that his own daughter doing LC honours Maths was doing great as she had been getting four online Maths classes per week from her teacher all along. I could have thrown the radio at that particular teacher because there he was stating for all the world as if that was the case everywhere. My son who is in the exact same position got one online Maths class per week. Some callers rang in to say the same thing. So for me, that's another area where all this pretence that all students are in the same boat is just utter rubbish. At least if they were back at school, there would be some sort of proper timetable.

Unfortunately all children will never be in the same boat. What about the child who comes into school hungry every day? Or the child living in an abusive home? What about the child living in temporary accommodation? What about the child who has to work to put food on the table? Or the child whose parent has special needs? What about the child with special educational needs? Or the child whose parents won't send them to school? What about the child living with an addict?
Children do not get to choose their parents.
Schools give these children hope. These are the children who are suffering most during this lockdown. The work teachers do with some children literally saves lives.

Mrsmum

downthemiddle wrote: »

Unfortunately all children will never be in the same boat. What about the child who comes into school hungry every day? Or the child living in an abusive home? What about the child living in temporary accommodation? What about the child who has to work to put food on the table? Or the child whose parent has special needs? What about the child with special educational needs? Or the child whose parents won't send them to school? What about the child living with an addict?
Children do not get to choose their parents.
Schools give these children hope. These are the children who are suffering most during this lockdown. The work teachers do with some children literally saves lives.

A different issue there altogether. Those children are always disadvantaged and are even worse off not being at school but since i am advocating for full time back in Sept I am on their side anyway. But that is not following my point at all. When the LC this year was cancelled, people said that it should have gone ahead because all students were in the same boat. As if all children, regardless of other variables, were getting the same attention from their teachers. They were not and no amount of whataboutery changes that fact. Some got four classes for the one that other children got.

thefasteriwalk

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