How will schools be able to go back in September?

Treppen

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Well at least we lived up to our stereotype, a child can get into a pub before they can go to school

Do you not think that's wrong and that more of an effort should have been made around having schools open as a priority?

Comparing the two is wrong.

You have stricter limitations on patrons in pubs, can you limit a school to say 5 students from each class, who decides?

People can choose to go or not to pubs, once schools open it's a given that it has to be open to all (perhaps immuno compromised cases excepted).

You don't leave your kids to mingle with each other in pubs. They'd stay pretty much by parents side, parents can instruct individual children, you wouldn't have a parent with every kid in the school. It would be like asking the publican to look after all the kids while you have a drink/eat food.

You're static in a pub for a just over an hour, school day is much much longer.

You're in your own small group with very little interaction with others. Presume you could create cells of students that stay with each other all day and sit in zones, although a class of thirty with cells of 4 or 5, sounds like the way my kids seating plan always was so nothing new about that.

starbaby2003

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

“Over the last two weeks, Irish data shows that over one-third of all new cases are people under the age of 35. "This is not a disease that solely affects older people. No one is immune, everyone is responsible for limiting the spread of COVID-19," said Chief Medical Officer Dr. Tony Holohan.”
joe.ie

I honestly can’t get over how stupid that headline is. People under 35 by all accounts should be a much larger portion. If you are over 70 you should be cocooning which in theory means under 35’s should represent half the cases ...

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

I smell a strike coming.

Nothing another payrise won't solve.

Ahhh to be a teacher.

khalessi

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

I smell a strike coming.

Nothing another payrise won't solve.

Ahhh to be a teacher.

Easy enough you can apply like the rest of us did.

Forgot to add stupid statement

jrosen

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Who was this meeting with or between?

We as an education sector have got ZERO guidance or guidelines yet for reopening or indeed the proposed JP/SS. Anything heard from a principal or indeed a vice principal is just something that they think could happen or ideas that came from a meeting within the school staff.

For stuff with isolation rooms etc this has to come in the form of a circular from the dept as otherwise there won't be a common approach. A common approach for stuff such as this is very important. With regards to isolation rooms, i'm just thinking of our own school which doesn't even have an empty broom closet. Where are these isolation rooms to appear out of seeing as it has already been clearly said by both Joe and Paschal that no money will be made available for temporary school accommodation such as prefabs.

Also just another thought, who is going to staff these isolation rooms?

People can come on and say i'm putting roadblocks in the way but these are the practical realities of the majority of our schools. Most don't have empty rooms that can be used for these isolation rooms and no schools have staff with no assigned work to do.

I have no idea, as I said new neighbour so I dont really know her.
It was more her shift in what she thinks will happen down the road interested me.

Look across the country we have a variety of school buildings, some could easily have an isolation room. Both my kids schools have first aid rooms. Equally they have a wide open space that could easily have a child sit and wait to be picked up all all under the watchful eye of the school secretary which is what would have happened anyway pre covid.

There are some schools that will really struggle with any amount of change due to over crowding or lack of available space but there are also schools that can comfortably manage change.

iamwhoiam

starbaby2003 wrote: »

I honestly can’t get over how stupid that headline is. People under 35 by all accounts should be a much larger portion. If you are over 70 you should be cocooning which in theory means under 35’s should represent half the cases ...

About one quater of all cases were under 35 . Six and half thousand approximately were under 35 .

byhookorbycrook

addaword wrote: »

And many have learnt nothing over the past 3 months and will not learn anything over the next few months either. We are the laughing stock of Europe as far as schools are concerned. It has been and continues to be very unfair on working parents trying to juggle everything too.

What evidence have you to back this rather strange “insight ?”

ldy4mxonucwsq6

starbaby2003 wrote: »

I honestly can’t get over how stupid that headline is. People under 35 by all accounts should be a much larger portion. If you are over 70 you should be cocooning which in theory means under 35’s should represent half the cases ...

Yep headline of the day it'll be something else today.

This age group should have represented more cases all along, when you think about healthcare staff, retail staff, essential workers. This age group did not have to cocoon unless they had an underlying condition.

I guess they are concerned in case its a new ongoing increase or trend.

32% of our overall cases are healthcare workers (and 20% of those cases are nursing home staff).

The 65+ age group still accounts for most cases (and deaths) but I wonder if thats just because of (eventual) increased testing in those nursing home environments.

bettyoleary

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

I smell a strike coming.

Nothing another payrise won't solve.

Ahhh to be a teacher.

Do you not realize if we didnt have unions the exploitation would be uncontrollable. Tell me why you expect teachers should go back to school, without sanitary facilities, in crowded buildings? It makes me laugh that the Irish have moaned for years re the English landlords that created the famine and how you have suffered at the hands of the oppressor. Yet, look at the way you treat each other. Teachers go back to school without protection bcos it suits us. We need to make money. Open up boarders and let anyone in bcos its ruining the economy and the rich will suffer. Let health care workers die and all the old people as long as we appear to be mitigating. Govt has to impose eviction protection bcos greedy landlords will kick out tenants from their massively over priced properties if they cant pay rent.

It took this virus to make me realize history will be re written.

bettyoleary

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Yep headline of the day it'll be something else today.

This age group should have represented more cases all along, when you think about healthcare staff, retail staff, essential workers. This age group did not have to cocoon unless they had an underlying condition.

I guess they are concerned in case its a new ongoing increase or trend.

32% of our overall cases are healthcare workers (and 20% of those cases are nursing home staff).

The 65+ age group still accounts for most cases (and deaths) but I wonder if thats just because of (eventual) increased testing in those nursing home environments.

What you may benefit from is having a look at websites, the BBC has a good one which help with teaching. You also have to plan for all eventualities, this is sensible. Schools may or may not go to normal in Sept. Looking at things today , they wont so you would be better doing some research. Alot of kids around the world are home schooled and do really well. Its a bit like teenagers. Some parents say we cant control them and they are out stabbing people at weekends. Other parents say we can control them and they are lovely kids. You need to think which type of parent are you?

Lillyfae

bettyoleary wrote: »

What you may benefit from is having a look at websites, the BBC has a good one which help with teaching. You also have to plan for all eventualities, this is sensible. Schools may or may not go to normal in Sept. Looking at things today , they wont so you would be better doing some research. Alot of kids around the world are home schooled and do really well. Its a bit like teenagers. Some parents say we cant control them and they are out stabbing people at weekends. Other parents say we can control them and they are lovely kids. You need to think which type of parent are you?

You're going on mute, for my sanity :pac:

ldy4mxonucwsq6

bettyoleary wrote: »

What you may benefit from is having a look at websites, the BBC has a good one which help with teaching. You also have to plan for all eventualities, this is sensible. Schools may or may not go to normal in Sept. Looking at things today , they wont so you would be better doing some research. Alot of kids around the world are home schooled and do really well. Its a bit like teenagers. Some parents say we cant control them and they are out stabbing people at weekends. Other parents say we can control them and they are lovely kids. You need to think which type of parent are you?

I'm lucky that my kids are old enough to take responsibility for doing their work and getting on with it. I can easily set curricular work if I feel the teacher is not giving enough or if there are areas that my child needs to give more attention to.

Being older they understand why they can't go to school, others with younger kids might find themselves with more difficulty in defining that home is also now school.

And anyone who has babies or toddlers would really struggle to find themselves in a good space to be both teacher and parent.

I can help with more difficult aspects if they need it. Again not all parents are in this position which is why you often see schools running adult project maths classes etc to try to empower parents to be able to help (great initiative BTW).

Not sure if anyone's ability to home school or not has much to do with teenage thuggery though, that's a bit of a tangent.

LuasSimon

Will we be the only country in the world with the children not at school??
Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work.

bettyoleary

Lillyfae wrote: »

You're going on mute, for my sanity :pac:

Hard to face truth and reality isnt it unless you have a pint infront of you!!!!! Open the pubs quick

bettyoleary

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm lucky that my kids are old enough to take responsibility for doing their work and getting on with it. I can easily set curricular work if I feel the teacher is not giving enough or if there are areas that my child needs to give more attention to.

Being older they understand why they can't go to school, others with younger kids might find themselves with more difficulty in defining that home is also now school.

And anyone who has babies or toddlers would really struggle to find themselves in a good space to be both teacher and parent.

I can help with more difficult aspects if they need it. Again not all parents are in this position which is why you often see schools running adult project maths classes etc to try to empower parents to be able to help (great initiative BTW).

Not sure if anyone's ability to home school or not has much to do with teenage thuggery though, that's a bit of a tangent.

That is a really good post and I think it will make a big difference on here. Thank you for admitting that and that is were I do think people will struggle. But as long as they are trying instead of turning on teachers, this will make a difference. Thank you

byhookorbycrook

LuasSimon wrote: »

Will we be the only country in the world with the children not at school??
Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work.

You’re right . The INTO imported Covid . They decided to close schools . Everyone refused to implement distance learning. NPHET begged schools to reopen in April but teachers refused .🙄

What do you do yourself , by the way ?

c.p.w.g.w

bettyoleary wrote: »

Do you not realize if we didnt have unions the exploitation would be uncontrollable. Tell me why you expect teachers should go back to school, without sanitary facilities, in crowded buildings? It makes me laugh that the Irish have moaned for years re the English landlords that created the famine and how you have suffered at the hands of the oppressor. Yet, look at the way you treat each other. Teachers go back to school without protection bcos it suits us. We need to make money. Open up boarders and let anyone in bcos its ruining the economy and the rich will suffer. Let health care workers die and all the old people as long as we appear to be mitigating. Govt has to impose eviction protection bcos greedy landlords will kick out tenants from their massively over priced properties if they cant pay rent.

It took this virus to make me realize history will be re written.

The same unions that agreed to look after its then current members while it screwed future teachers...thus creating another reason to strike and "justify" their existence further down to road...from a problem the union actively created

History Queen

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The same unions that agreed to look after its then current members while it screwed future teachers...thus creating another reason to strike and "justify" their existence further down to road...from a problem the union actively created

Not what happened

bettyoleary

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The same unions that agreed to look after its then current members while it screwed future teachers...thus creating another reason to strike and "justify" their existence further down to road...from a problem the union actively created

So what are you saying? Teachers should go back without social distancing? Nurses should be prepared for second wave and to risk their lives again for crap wages. Landlords should throw tenants out onto the street if they cant pay the rent. Cram meat factories full of seasonal workers and exploit them as much as possible to provide MCdonalds with burgers. I wont even get into the exploitation of workers in this company. Allow old people to die and the odd health care workers who are looking after them on minimum wage. Open up our borders so Michael O'leary can make money for himself and his investors and people will comply if they work for a cheap holiday once a year. Take the Covid payment off people because despite its not their fault they cant work and may be unemployed in the future, they dont deserve it as they are lazy Fukers watching netfilix if they can afford it.

Do me a favour.

downthemiddle

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

The same unions that agreed to look after its then current members while it screwed future teachers...thus creating another reason to strike and "justify" their existence further down to road...from a problem the union actively created

Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

downthemiddle

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

I smell a strike coming.

Nothing another payrise won't solve.

Ahhh to be a teacher.

Perhaps you can list the number of strike days teacher have had in the last thirty years.
You may want to discuss why some teachers still are waiting to claw back cuts, or to receive pay awards, made over a decade ago.
If you worked harder in school you too could have achieved the ultimate dream.

downthemiddle

LuasSimon wrote: »

Will we be the only country in the world with the children not at school??
Irish teachers would do anything to get out of going to work.

Nice of you to pop in again Simon. Your insights, as ever, are concise. Unfortunately, though, you remind people of the fly splattered on the windscreen of the Luas. You once were a minor irritant but now you are to be pitied.

c.p.w.g.w

bettyoleary wrote: »

So what are you saying? Teachers should go back without social distancing? Nurses should be prepared for second wave and to risk their lives again for crap wages. Landlords should throw tenants out onto the street if they cant pay the rent. Cram meat factories full of seasonal workers and exploit them as much as possible to provide MCdonalds with burgers. I wont even get into the exploitation of workers in this company. Allow old people to die and the odd health care workers who are looking after them on minimum wage. Open up our borders so Michael O'leary can make money for himself and his investors and people will comply if they work for a cheap holiday once a year. Take the Covid payment off people because despite its not their fault they cant work and may be unemployed in the future, they dont deserve it as they are lazy Fukers watching netfilix if they can afford it.

Do me a favour.

Firstly nurses are very well paid...I am not advocating for no protections...But for many folks it looks like a bargaining position for a pay increase

bettyoleary

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Firstly nurses are very well paid...I am not advocating for no protections...But for many folks it looks like a bargaining position for a pay increase

On what are you basing that nurses are very well paid???? If it wasnt for nurses we couldnt even open the country again. Student nurses were deployed into the hospitals on minimum wage at the outset of Covid. Nurses wont even stay in Ireland during normal times because of the low wages. It is a joke that nurses are expected to pay for university education and then take on roles of doctors to save the HSE money.

Nurses should be paid on par with politicians during this crisis in my opinion. That will never be realized as exploitation is so deeply embedded into our culture that people will just laugh.

CruelSummer

I think many many posters on here need to take a break for the time being. Until we judge how reopening is going over the summer, the government simply will not be in a position to guarantee anything for now.
Personally looking at the figures, data, risks and latest information - there is no question in my mind as to what we should do. Fully reopen with good testing and tracing procedures. Protect vulnerable teaching staff, have new cleaning and hygiene measures in schools and lets get on with educating our children.
Our children will need every minute of every day they can get to try and gain some sense of normality, process what has happened, and catch up on education time lost.
Not to mention the poor children who’ve been told they could harm their older relatives by hugging them. The emotional damage will be colossal, as will the educational, and time will tell if the cure was indeed worth it for the perceived threat of this disease.

bettyoleary

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Firstly nurses are very well paid...I am not advocating for no protections...But for many folks it looks like a bargaining position for a pay increase

I never heard nurses bargaining for anything unfortunately. They do their job. I volunteered for ON Call for Ireland. I was on a temporary contract. No sick pay, no holiday pay and was forced to be moved from hospital to hospital. Obviously at risk to myself and patients. I wont be doing itor the second wave.

Why are you even saying that. The reason I am advocating for teachers on here is because their is no nurses thread and I know nurses wont complain. Teachers are just as important and no body will exploit them whilst we have unions. Its a shame that the ordinary working class person dosent realize this and stick with them.

Tokyo

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

I smell a strike coming.

Nothing another payrise won't solve.

Ahhh to be a teacher.

Mod: If it were that easy, you'd be doing it. Quit it with the deliberately antagonistic soundbites.

jrosen

From Monday hair and beauty is back. Totally non essential. None of those staff can social distance. The will be in actual physical contact with members of the public all day every day. For beauty some of those treatments will happen in closed rooms. They will have basic masks and gloves to wear.

So if non essential industries can come back and work every day an not social distance then come September (if things remain the same) then what argument can the education sector have?

rob316

I always said it no other country will have as much trouble re-opening the schools as us, due to the teachers unions. They will dig hard to make it as difficult as possible and go as far as looking for hazard pay for their members. Disgusting but unsurprising.

khalessi

jrosen wrote: »

From Monday hair and beauty is back. Totally non essential. None of those staff can social distance. The will be in actual physical contact with members of the public all day every day. For beauty some of those treatments will happen in closed rooms. They will have basic masks and gloves to wear.

So if non essential industries can come back and work every day an not social distance then come September (if things remain the same) then what argument can the education sector have?

Well from what Ive seen the education sector want to go back in September they just wanted to ensure hygiene standards and guidelines in place to deal with children or staff or their families who develop covid19.

So the argument is not about going back but about proper hygiene and guidelines. Every teacher here has said they look forward to returning to school in September.