Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

MOR316 · 22-06-2020 10:44PM

Don't know if it's the correct thread but, can anyone here tell me if Wetherspoons in Dun Laoghaire will be opening next week?

One of my favourite past times is going there, getting a pizza and a coke, overlooking the sea.

Many thanks

Jayesdiem · 22-06-2020 10:49PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Don't know if it's the correct thread but, can anyone here tell me if Wetherspoons in Dun Laoghaire will be opening next week?

One of my favourite past times is going there, getting a pizza and a coke, overlooking the sea.

Many thanks

Sounds good. I hope for you that it is

MickeyLeari · 22-06-2020 10:53PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Don't know if it's the correct thread but, can anyone here tell me if Wetherspoons in Dun Laoghaire will be opening next week?

One of my favourite past times is going there, getting a pizza and a coke, overlooking the sea.

Many thanks

Give them a ring +35312311926 I would imagine that there will be people in there this week to get the place ready.

MOR316 · 22-06-2020 10:55PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Sounds good. I hope for you that it is

Thanks

I used to do it every weekend before this.
I live in a small town and I do get a lot of trouble/bullying/degrading/insulting/intimidation antics thrown my way. It was an escapism

Been stuck here since mid February so it would be nice. The Pizzas aren't great but, worth it for the sea air and tranquility

MOR316 · 22-06-2020 10:56PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Give them a ring +35312311926 I would imagine that there will be people in there this week to get the place ready.

Thank you

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 11:02PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Thank you

Initially they had said they weren't going to use the restaurant loophole but that was back when phase 5 was in August, could have changed now to 20th July of course. Haven't seen anything saying they'll open on the 29th though

MOR316 · 22-06-2020 11:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Initially they had said they weren't going to use the restaurant loophole but that was back when phase 5 was in August, could have changed now to 20th July of course. Haven't seen anything saying they'll open on the 29th though

Nice one, thanks

If it's not, oh well. I'll tip down to Bray for some Ice Cream or something

MickeyLeari · 22-06-2020 11:17PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Thanks
I used to do it every weekend before this.
I live in a small town and I do get a lot of trouble/bullying/degrading/insulting/intimidation antics thrown my way. It was an escapism

Been stuck here since mid February so it would be nice. The Pizzas aren't great but, worth it for the sea air and tranquility

Oliveto which is close by in Dun Laoghaire do a very good pizza.

Your post highlights what the lockdown means for a lot of people even when there is splitting hairs on whether it is a real lock down or not

Some people are happy out at home, watching telly and in their gardens etc. (And great for them). But others need something different (that escape) whether it is a pint and newspaper at a bar, going to Lansdowne Road, RDS, Thomond Park or Croker, a weekend away, or a pizza, beer and sea air.

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 11:28PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Nice one, thanks

If it's not, oh well. I'll tip down to Bray for some Ice Cream or something

You'll have plenty of options in Bray anyway, good few places reopening on the 29th. Enjoy either way

GocRh · 23-06-2020 12:13AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Nice one, thanks

If it's not, oh well. I'll tip down to Bray for some Ice Cream or something

Hartley's just besides the Dun Laoghaire dart station was open for takeaway drinks this weekend. Lovely terrace with nice sea views, and it wasn't too busy on Sunday.
I'd imagine their terrace will be open again this weekend ahead of the full reopening on Monday.

hmmm · 23-06-2020 12:18AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Assuming you are correct (and you most certainly are not), what’s the big deal with people catching Covid when for all but the very oldest, 25% of whom have dementia incidentally (UK), it is not even a minor threat?

And once again we're back to killing off older people...

gipi · 23-06-2020 12:26AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Went to the dentist today, its great to see day to day services coming back and of course people working again as well.

Have to say they handled the new way of doing things very well, lot of extra work for them compared to a few months ago.

As a matter of interest, did you get charged extra? I was at my periodontist 2 weeks ago, was charged £30 more than I'd been quoted pre-Covid. Have another appointment tomorrow, I'm hoping I won't be charged extra again!

GocRh · 23-06-2020 12:41AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

we will generally be ahead of most of Europe in our reopening.

Generally ahead of most of Europe??? Where are your getting your information from???
On the 29th we will still:
- request quarantine for all arrivals even from safer countries
- nonessential travel recommendation will still be in force and as of now there's no date for recommendation to be changed for safer countries
- creches will still be closed to the general public

I could go on but I think my point is clear - we're only now catching up to where most other EU countries have been for several weeks. Certainly not ahead of any country.

acequion · 23-06-2020 01:21AM

GocRh wrote: »

Generally ahead of most of Europe??? Where are your getting your information from???
On the 29th we will still:
- request quarantine for all arrivals even from safer countries
- nonessential travel recommendation will still be in force and as of now there's no date for recommendation to be changed for safer countries
- creches will still be closed to the general public

I could go on but I think my point is clear - we're only now catching up to where most other EU countries have been for several weeks. Certainly not ahead of any country.

My exact question. I had a quick read through this evening's posts and that was the one that stood out as being completely baffling. Was actually going to quote it as well and question it and you've saved me the hassle of looking for it.

So raind please enlighten us as to how you've come to that conclusion when almost everyone agrees that we are behind most of,if not all of EU countries in terms of easing restrictions????

pjohnson · 23-06-2020 06:54AM

hmmm wrote: »

And once again we're back to killing off older people...

Don't worry Jay thankfully admitted to not being serious with his postings.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

You actually think I believe that to be true. If you take things that literally, I worry for your future.

23-06-2020 08:26AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Assuming you are correct (and you most certainly are not), what’s the big deal with people catching Covid when for all but the very oldest, 25% of whom have dementia incidentally (UK), it is not even a minor threat? If you catch Covid, why is there nothing to be said for staying cool headed, accepting what the real risk is, quarantining accordingly, and then returning to life? Why is they so difficult assuming no further complications? Do you worry this much in flu season when about one third of what we are now experiencing get infected, much of who die. Taking how scared out of your skin you are now and how you are falling over yourself to prove how dangerous the virus is, are you 33% like this in flu season? I reckon you’re 0% of this because you’ve been fed a load of hysterical rubbish and you’ve come back looking for dessert. The media should know better than to whip up this storm but since when are they a paragon of virtue and so if you eat what they feed you, you are the one who should be derided, not them.

I am not scared at all - just challenging bulls**t

is_that_so · 23-06-2020 09:10AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Norway health chief already came out and said lockdown wasnt needed to suppress the virus.

He didnt say this for fun. Its not a co incidence he said this.

Belarus has less than 400 dead. Country of 9,485,000 people, whats the high level you are referring to?

I'd believe North Korean numbers over Belarus. Their numbers are very questionable.

FishOnABike · 23-06-2020 09:21AM

paw patrol wrote: »

we are seeing now from widespread testing in other places - the virus is endemic already and the vast majority have never had symptoms
There will be little in the way of a spike in ireland in death when all the data comes out

I'll be clear , i think initially given the stories from aboard the initial measures were reasonable then it descended into maddness - for only 1 reason to defend a woeful HSE - the virus wasn't lethal unless you were sick or frail like a flu.

We all stopped our lives for a tiny minority who could have isolated instead of us all.

we fcuked ourselves up for a bad flu.

Where are we seeing this? I don't think I've seen as much inaccuracy in a single post.

Sweden has questioned its approach even its softer restructions have not left its economy unscathed. They are currently running at around 70 deaths a day and are still no where near herd immunity. Only approx. 7% of the population has had CoViD-19. This is about one tenth of what would be needed for herd immunity to work, yet their infection rate and death rate is an order of magnitude greater than surrounding countries which implemented lockdowns. It still has to be determined what degree of immunity having had CoViD-19 gives and how long any immunity might last.

CoViD-19 is three to four times as contagious as the flu and three to four times deadlier. Some of those who have 'recovered' have life changing complications. How many flu victims need lung transplants, suffer permanent organ (liver, kidney, brain) damage or lose a limb due to associated thrombosis?

You only have to look at Brazil to see how things might have unfolded without any restrictions being implemented.

A bad flu season might see around 250 deaths, that's with relatively low flu vaccine take up and no countermeasures. Despite unprecedented restrictions we have over 1700 CoViD-19 related deaths in the last four months. Calling CoVid-19 a bad flu is like calling a hurricane a bit of a bad breeze.

Ginger n Lemon · 23-06-2020 09:30AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

Where are we seeing this? I don't think I've seen as much inaccuracy in a single post.

Sweden has questioned its approach even its softer restructions have not left its economy unscathed. They are currently running at around 70 deaths a day and are still no where near herd immunity. Only approx. 7% of the population has had CoViD-19. This is about one tenth of what would be needed for herd immunity to work, yet their infection rate and death rate is an order of magnitude greater than surrounding countries which implemented lockdowns. It still has to be determined what degree of immunity having had CoViD-19 gives and how long any immunity might last.

CoViD-19 is three to four times as contagious as the flu and three to four times deadlier. Some of those who have 'recovered' have life changing complications. How many flu victims need lung transplants, suffer permanent organ (liver, kidney, brain) damage or lose a limb due to associated thrombosis?

You only have to look at Brazil to see how things might have unfolded without any restrictions being implemented.

A bad flu season might see around 250 deaths, that's with relatively low flu vaccine take up and no countermeasures. Despite unprecedented restrictions we have over 1700 CoViD-19 related deaths in the last four months. Calling CoVid-19 a bad flu is like calling a hurricane a bit of a bad breeze.

Thats so much in rubbish in bold even you know it. Why dont you quantify? Show us "some" figures? What is this "some" nonsense?

Also - Brazil has less "died with covid" deaths per million than Ireland.

I think a lot of posters here fail to grasp the notion of 200,000,000 population. Same in US, its 350,000,000.

Also - 1700 covid related deaths? Are you really gonna BS us first thing in the morning with that? Have you not noticed RTE presenter telling you "died with covid"? is that a clue?

Seriously reading your post one would think that 1700 25 year olds were walking down the street, caught covid and are now all dead.

Tell the truth, give context, give the median age of 1700 dead as 84 year olds. Give that 70% + of 1700 deaths are ALL IN NURSING HOMES.

Really boils my blood this. Reading your post one would think that cocooning until (if) covid vaccine is available is the only way to live life. :mad::rolleyes:

23-06-2020 09:40AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats so much in rubbish in bold even you know it. Why dont you quantify? Show us "some" figures? What is this "some" nonsense?

Also - Brazil has less "died with covid" deaths per million than Ireland.

I think a lot of posters here fail to grasp the notion of 200,000,000 population. Same in US, its 350,000,000.

Also - 1700 covid related deaths? Are you really gonna BS us first thing in the morning with that? Have you not noticed RTE presenter telling you "died with covid"? is that a clue?

Seriously reading your post one would think that 1700 25 year olds were walking down the street, caught covid and are now all dead.

Tell the truth, give context, give the median age of 1700 dead as 84 year olds. Give that 70% + of 1700 deaths are ALL IN NURSING HOMES.

Really boils my blood this. Reading your post one would think that cocooning until (if) covid vaccine is available is the only way to live life. :mad::rolleyes:

Brazil's outbreak started a full month later than here and death toll is currently increasing at 1,000 per day, or 5 per million per day. Can you not see how simple maths tell us it takes longer to impact a similar proportion of the population the larger that population is?
We were all told how we were worse than Sweden, until Sweden overtook, then the US until they overtook us, and now Brazil - lets see what happens.

And before you accuse me of living in fear - we can now open up in relative safety because of what we have done. Contrast that with the situation in the US.

And from February I have said that for me, personally, I would be better of catching this as soon as possible. But I don't believe in abandoning the 25% of the population who are more vulnerable to some sort of perverse Russian roulette because "Only old people die"

average_runner · 23-06-2020 09:45AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats so much in rubbish in bold even you know it. Why dont you quantify? Show us "some" figures? What is this "some" nonsense?

Also - Brazil has less "died with covid" deaths per million than Ireland.

I think a lot of posters here fail to grasp the notion of 200,000,000 population. Same in US, its 350,000,000.

Also - 1700 covid related deaths? Are you really gonna BS us first thing in the morning with that? Have you not noticed RTE presenter telling you "died with covid"? is that a clue?

Seriously reading your post one would think that 1700 25 year olds were walking down the street, caught covid and are now all dead.

Tell the truth, give context, give the median age of 1700 dead as 84 year olds. Give that 70% + of 1700 deaths are ALL IN NURSING HOMES.

Really boils my blood this. Reading your post one would think that cocooning until (if) covid vaccine is available is the only way to live life. :mad::rolleyes:

We don't have a full picture on Brazil as they are not testing everywhere and also not recording all deaths. There testing is very low. So whatever they have you could multiply it by any number and still not be right.

WHO has said there is a massive chance that this will revisit now, lets hope they are wrong.

MonkstownHoop · 23-06-2020 09:50AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Thanks
I used to do it every weekend before this.
I live in a small town and I do get a lot of trouble/bullying/degrading/insulting/intimidation antics thrown my way. It was an escapism

Been stuck here since mid February so it would be nice. The Pizzas aren't great but, worth it for the sea air and tranquility

Ah you need to have a cold ipa with a pizza

the corpo · 23-06-2020 09:51AM

gipi wrote: »

As a matter of interest, did you get charged extra? I was at my periodontist 2 weeks ago, was charged £30 more than I'd been quoted pre-Covid. Have another appointment tomorrow, I'm hoping I won't be charged extra again!

Can't speak this persons dentist, but I popped into Smiles dental the other day, and they had notices up about Covid-19 fees, but it looked like reasonably nominal, a tenner or something in general, to cover costs

FishOnABike · 23-06-2020 09:52AM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

That’s outrageous to say, even more so given non- or partial-lockdown countries pretty much had the same results as us and hundreds, maybe thousands of lockdown-breaking protests resulted in.......birdsong.

Non lockdown countries like Brazil? Yeah, they're doing well :rolleyes:

Partial lockdown countries like Sweden whose daily cases and deaths are an order of magnitude higher than neighbouring countries, whose economy hasn't escaped negative effects and who have been put on a quarantine list by neighbouring nordic and EU countries?

Yeah, they have pretty much the same results as us :rolleyes:

GocRh · 23-06-2020 09:52AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Give that 70% + of 1700 deaths are ALL IN NURSING HOMES.

We've failed miserably in protecting the most vulnerable in care homes, and yet it seems that most people are buying into the government spin that Ireland is doing brilliantly and we can now speed up the reopening.

Fact of the matter is that, compared to other European countries that implemented similar containment measures, we were:
- Late to implement lockdown (Cheltenham anyone?)
- Woefully unprepared for mass covid testing (to the point where we've sent thousands of tests to Germany)
- Slowest country to reopen

Our Government does not seem to want to lead and take responsibility. The NPHET made most of the decisions early on and now we're watching what happens abroad before making changes.

I suppose one of the few quick and decisive actions of the government was the PUP benefit - which was definitely needed in the first few months, but extending until August as opposed to getting people back to work will cost us dear.

Ginger n Lemon · 23-06-2020 09:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Brazil's outbreak started a full month later than here and death toll is currently increasing at 1,000 per day, or 5 per million per day. Can you not see how simple maths tell us it takes longer to impact a similar proportion of the population the larger that population is?
We were all told how we were worse than Sweden, until Sweden overtook, then the US until they overtook us, and now Brazil - lets see what happens.

And before you accuse me of living in fear - we can now open up in relative safety because of what we have done. Contrast that with the situation in the US.

And from February I have said that for me, personally, I would be better of catching this as soon as possible. But I don't believe in abandoning the 25% of the population who are more vulnerable to some sort of perverse Russian roulette because "Only old people die"

I think that in bold really gives out how you think.

Relative safety?

And you dont want me to accuse you of living in fear? come on now.

I think its obvious what this thread comes down to now, now that all restrictions except on pubs are lifted come Monday. Get busy living or get busy staying safe.

GocRh · 23-06-2020 09:57AM

FishOnABike wrote: »

whose economy hasn't escaped negative effects

Realistically no European country would ever escape covid with no negative economic impacts. The European economy is tightly integrated and exports account for 45% of the Swedish GDP.

23-06-2020 09:58AM

GocRh wrote: »

We've failed miserably in protecting the most vulnerable in care homes, and yet it seems that most people are buying into the government spin that Ireland is doing brilliantly and we can now speed up the reopening.

Fact of the matter is that, compared to other European countries that implemented similar containment measures, we were:
- Late to implement lockdown (Cheltenham anyone?)
- Woefully unprepared for mass covid testing (to the point where we've sent thousands of tests to Germany)
- Slowest country to reopen

Our Government does not seem to want to lead and take responsibility. The NPHET made most of the decisions early on and now we're watching what happens abroad before making changes.

I suppose one of the few quick and decisive actions of the government was the PUP benefit - which was definitely needed in the first few months, but extending until August as opposed to getting people back to work will cost us dear.

You know two things are possible - we were late in our containment response, especially around care homes, but are now performing better at suppressing that virus than the vast majority of other countries. Acknowledging one does not exclude the other.

Ginger n Lemon · 23-06-2020 09:59AM

average_runner wrote: »

We don't have a full picture on Brazil as they are not testing everywhere and also not recording all deaths. There testing is very low. So whatever they have you could multiply it by any number and still not be right.

WHO has said there is a massive chance that this will revisit now, lets hope they are wrong.

WHO also said that banning travel from China in January was a bad idea.

WHO also posted 3% mortality for covid in March.

Have you been following WHO this entire time? oh boy :rolleyes:

average_runner · 23-06-2020 10:00AM

GocRh wrote: »

We've failed miserably in protecting the most vulnerable in care homes, and yet it seems that most people are buying into the government spin that Ireland is doing brilliantly and we can now speed up the reopening.

Fact of the matter is that, compared to other European countries that implemented similar containment measures, we were:
- Late to implement lockdown (Cheltenham anyone?)
- Woefully unprepared for mass covid testing (to the point where we've sent thousands of tests to Germany)
- Slowest country to reopen

Our Government does not seem to want to lead and take responsibility. The NPHET made most of the decisions early on and now we're watching what happens abroad before making changes.

I suppose one of the few quick and decisive actions of the government was the PUP benefit - which was definitely needed in the first few months, but extending until August as opposed to getting people back to work will cost us dear.

- Not all nursing homes were affected, mainly private ones because they rotate agency staff. The onus was on the businesses that run those nursing homes. Yet they take no blame.
- We went into lockdown quiet early, there was only 20 daily cases when we entered lockdown on March 5th. Most countries waited for alot more cases.
- Reopening, things are going well, our cases aren't jumping like other countries.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings