Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Jayesdiem · 22-06-2020 03:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Once out of control, Lockdown has been the only proven method of getting the genie back in the bottle. Japan and Taiwan have experience from SARS so reacted early enough to prevent out of control spread. I dare say New Zealand would likely have achieved the same results, a bit slower perhaps, without lockdown. And continuing good track trace and isolate policies we should be able to do the same going forward without the need to go back to anything more than focused, localised, temporary lockdowns for track and trace on particular households, businesses/ workplaces, and maybe areas.

That’s outrageous to say, even more so given non- or partial-lockdown countries pretty much had the same results as us and hundreds, maybe thousands of lockdown-breaking protests resulted in.......birdsong.

Birdie Num Num · 22-06-2020 03:20PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Interesting that you use the millennium bug as a comparison. That was a real thing that was mostly avoided with foresight, not too dissimilar to our current situation.

Sure what good is foresight? Hindsight is a great thing but foresight gets no credit, particularly amongst a mutual appreciation society that understands the ridiculousness of restrictions and that the virus is no more infectious or serious than seasonal flu.

You’d swear this thread was called ‘Life under Lockdown’ rather than ‘Relaxation of Restrictions’.

growleaves · 22-06-2020 03:21PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Jaysus. The comparison was related to the hysteria, not the bloody virus itself. Crikey.

Yes I know. I was moreso replying to the posters who had replied to you.

I think the comparisons between the hysteria of both is valid. In the UK, prior to Y2K people were advised by the government to store food but its forgotten now.

Eod100 · 22-06-2020 03:28PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Are we in phase 3 or 4 now? I must say I am lost with all these announcements and counter announcements. Last Friday there was an address to the nation saying things will move quicker and then today we have an official telling us that is not confirmed.

Phase 2 now. 3 to start on 29th June. But the advice I saw is specific to phase 3 so not how consistent it is

22-06-2020 03:44PM

Jayesdiem wrote: »

That’s outrageous to say, even more so given non- or partial-lockdown countries pretty much had the same results as us and hundreds, maybe thousands of lockdown-breaking protests resulted in.......birdsong.

Give me an example and I stand to be corrected

Ginger n Lemon · 22-06-2020 04:01PM

growleaves wrote: »

Yes I know. I was moreso replying to the posters who had replied to you.

I think the comparisons between the hysteria of both is valid. In the UK, prior to Y2K people were advised by the government to store food but its forgotten now.

A lot of things have been forgotten, like Imperial college model predicting 65,000 dead in UK from Swine flu in 2009. 382 died.

Human nature. And then there are wishful thinkers who think humans will alter behaviour for years to come until vaccine is developed :rolleyes:

CruelSummer · 22-06-2020 04:12PM

Heard an interview with a child psychologist on Sarah McInerney earlier and I just got so angry.
They were glossing over the severe mental and emotional effects lockdown has had on our children and future generation. One texter said their child was afraid to hug their grandparent & burst into tears incase s/he would ‘kill’ her....the response of the ‘expert’ was this news of such effects on children as we lift restrictions is a surprise?! Their reasoning being their previous evidence of social isolation and let’s face it, fearmongering of children & society isn’t based on a lockdown...Really?!!!

Sam McConkey and Liz Canavan at another round of ‘We’re not finished living in fear yet’, and small shops empty...doesn’t bode well for the coming months economically.

I think it’s time for someone in government to crunch the numbers and publish some forecasts, exactly how much would Ireland have to borrow to get economic activity back up and running. Are our future economic figures taking into account the current state of affairs and additional costs of doing business.

road_high · 22-06-2020 04:25PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I think it’s time for someone in government to crunch the numbers and publish some forecasts, exactly how much would Ireland have to borrow to get economic activity back up and running. Are our future economic figures taking into account the current state of affairs and additional costs of doing business.

Agree with that- time for real honesty with the public. None of this rubbush about how we can borrow etc. We can't do that indefinitely, and 4 months in it's time to face up.

acequion · 22-06-2020 04:38PM

I'm just back from a visit to my GP.

I had to wait outside on the wall in the rain and there was NOBODY in the waiting room. I repeat NOBODY. Even if there were a few surely the existing restrictions would ensure safety for a short wait. Once I got in I was warned not to touch anything.

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

paw patrol · 22-06-2020 04:39PM

acequion wrote: »

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

of course, stronger together!
:eek:

22-06-2020 04:46PM

road_high wrote: »

Agree with that- time for real honesty with the public. None of this rubbush about how we can borrow etc. We can't do that indefinitely, and 4 months in it's time to face up.

Truth is we must borrow - tightening budgets is the surefire way to turn a recession into a depression.

Interest rates have never been lower and in the medium to long term if interest rates rise, its for one of two reasons, inflation or a booming economy, both of which are good for someone who owes money.

Irish Aris · 22-06-2020 04:47PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm just back from a visit to my GP.

I had to wait outside on the wall in the rain and there was NOBODY in the waiting room. I repeat NOBODY. Even if there were a few surely the existing restrictions would ensure safety for a short wait. Once I got in I was warned not to touch anything.

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

At least you got to go to their practice.

Until last week my GP only did phone consultation and they would only bring you in if it was something serious.

Having said that though I did a phone consultation twice (minor health issues) and the whole process worked well, cost me half the money I would normally oay and they even sent the prescription directly to the pharmacy.

Penfailed · 22-06-2020 04:55PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm just back from a visit to my GP.

I had to wait outside on the wall in the rain and there was NOBODY in the waiting room. I repeat NOBODY. Even if there were a few surely the existing restrictions would ensure safety for a short wait. Once I got in I was warned not to touch anything.

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

You have two choices - go to the doctors and abide by the rules that they have set out...or don't.

gmisk · 22-06-2020 04:59PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

At least you got to go to their practice.
Until last week my GP only did phone consultation and they would only bring you in if it was something serious.

Having said that though I did a phone consultation twice (minor health issues) and the whole process worked well, cost me half the money I would normally oay and they even sent the prescription directly to the pharmacy.

With some health insurance providers you get a free digital doctor can do it over phone or video call, easy peasy and they can email or fax prescription, I haven't gone into a doctor's in years.

22-06-2020 05:08PM

At the rate we are going, we actually may well end up getting to 0 cases and 0 deaths before restrictions are lifted.

Allinall · 22-06-2020 05:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

At the rate we are going, we actually may well end up getting to 0 cases and 0 deaths before restrictions are lifted.

That would be great.

22-06-2020 05:13PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm just back from a visit to my GP.

I had to wait outside on the wall in the rain and there was NOBODY in the waiting room. I repeat NOBODY. Even if there were a few surely the existing restrictions would ensure safety for a short wait. Once I got in I was warned not to touch anything.

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

That is absolutely disgraceful!
To answer the questions: No, No and absolutely not!

We need to push back on all these silly restrictions in any way we can.

We'll end up killing more grannies if we leave them out in the cold. Maybe we don't care as long as it wasn't Covid though?

22-06-2020 05:16PM

Allinall wrote: »

That would be great.

Would the economic damage be justified in your opinion?

Allinall · 22-06-2020 05:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would the economic damage be justified in your opinion?

Absolutely.

We will recover fairly quickly, unlike those who have died.

stephenjmcd · 22-06-2020 05:19PM

There's a few people who won't like the sight of this, let's see what impact if any.

https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/1275021120329134083?s=19

Ginger n Lemon · 22-06-2020 05:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's a few people who won't like the sight of this, let's see what impact if any.

https://twitter.com/SkySports/status/1275021120329134083?s=19

So beautiful.

Hungary allows fans in stadiums too now btw.

Normality, all over the place, except Ireland. For now.

Also - at 4:00 onward, covid is the least of your worries if you are in red star belgrade stadium on a regular matchday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUUUf4tZDho

Assetbacked · 22-06-2020 05:27PM

There won't be any impact as they're probably almost all of a young age. The reality that will need to dawn on lockdown fear mongerers is that it is not going to be re-introduced due to the economic and actual reality that those of working age will barely notice the virus and almost certainly won't require hospitalisation. The shift will be to managing the vulnerable and elderly but not cooping everyone up again.

road_high · 22-06-2020 05:46PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm just back from a visit to my GP.

I had to wait outside on the wall in the rain and there was NOBODY in the waiting room. I repeat NOBODY. Even if there were a few surely the existing restrictions would ensure safety for a short wait. Once I got in I was warned not to touch anything.

Is that level of hysteria necessary? Is it sustainable? Is that really the new normal we must all embrace?

Imagine that for already sick people- waiting in the rain. Crazy

road_high · 22-06-2020 05:49PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

There won't be any impact as they're probably almost all of a young age. The reality that will need to dawn on lockdown fear mongerers is that it is not going to be re-introduced due to the economic and actual reality that those of working age will barely notice the virus and almost certainly won't require hospitalisation. The shift will be to managing the vulnerable and elderly but not cooping everyone up again.

Was talking to somebody at the weekend and were discussing how many people they knew “enjoy lockdown” for a whole host of reasons. It appears many did. They’re having problems now letting go so the default is to hit harder on the fear button. They’d have no issue with doing it again

Elmer Blooker · 22-06-2020 05:54PM

Penfailed wrote: »

You have two choices - go to the doctors and abide by the rules that they have set out...or don't.

Nonsense. GPs have a duty to look after their clients in their time of need and not treat them like lepers.

Ginger n Lemon · 22-06-2020 06:00PM

4 new cases today.

Lets keep them pubs closed for an extra month, for good measure. Dont mention our flattened curve since 1st week of May. :rolleyes:

22-06-2020 06:01PM

Allinall wrote: »

Absolutely.

We will recover fairly quickly, unlike those who have died.

There is probably no point in me responding here but here goes...

1) There is absolutely no evidence at all to suggest that we’ll recover fairly quick. Aer Lingus wouldn’t be laying off 500 if they thought they’d back to normal in a few weeks.

2) Many people are going to die as a result of cancelled / delayed medical appointments/screenings.

3) Kids have not been getting a proper education since March. They might not even be able to properly return in September due to these restrictions. How long can this continue?

4) The economy is not in good shape at all. We have record numbers unemployed. Debenhams, Zara, Monsoon, Bewleys, Mothercare are all closing or in big trouble. Aer Lingus laying off 500. Many companies cutting salaries of staff.

Our own CMO has told us that there won’t be much excess mortality. He also said we won’t lockdown again.

We need to start looking at the bigger picture and stop only worrying about Covid 19.

road_high · 22-06-2020 06:01PM

Interesting to note less and less coverage seems to be given over to the endless streams of “expert” virologist etc like Dr Killeen in the past few weeks. Apart from Luke oneill this morn with pat Kenny (He was always a contributor anyhow) I’m hearing less abs less of them. The media are fickle and if the message us getting tiresome and perceived as old hat they’ll cut you off and focus on the next big story. They’ve had a long 5 minutes of fame, but appears to be less and less of an audience for it now

22-06-2020 06:03PM

4 cases and still restrictions until 20th July...

22-06-2020 06:04PM

4 cases and still restrictions until 20th July...

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings