How will schools be able to go back in September?

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2020 08:10PM

Very sad to see on the news that some schools won’t be going ahead with July provision . It must be gutting for parents and the children

khalessi · 20-06-2020 08:11PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Ah yes loads of pretend parents come on here to just teachers bash don't they. Well according to Boggles they do

Well its an easy target, everyone has been in school and there have been quite a few fake parents over the years not just last few months, should have been here for the great debate in 2008

khalessi · 20-06-2020 08:13PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Very sad to see on the news that some schools won’t be going ahead with July provision . It must be gutting for parents and the children

Thats down to the Department not issuing guidelines so the schools cant open to run them. It is terrible for the children and families.

wirelessdude01 · 20-06-2020 08:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Very sad to see on the news that some schools won’t be going ahead with July provision . It must be gutting for parents and the children

This was set up to fail right from the start. Not paying some people last year has warned a lot of people from bothering with it this year. A distinct lack of guidelines or guidance for schools, principals and those teachers and SNAs willing to partake is also a reasons why they won't touch it. Can anyone really blame them? Allianz have a huge part of play in all this as the school insurer. They will have a huge part tomplay in what can and can't happen on school grounds for the foreseeable.

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2020 08:20PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

This was set up to fail right from the start. Not paying some people last year has warned a lot of people from bothering with it this year. A distinct lack of guidelines or guidance for schools, principals and those teachers and SNAs willing to partake is also a reasons why they won't touch it. Can anyone really blame them? Allianz have a huge part of play in all this as the school insurer. They will have a huge part tomplay in what can and can't happen on school grounds for the foreseeable.

Thats such a shame . Its all wrong that the powers that be cannot organise and sort something out for the most vulnerable . Is it the DoE that is responsible for the July Provision ? Or by any chance was the useless Ms Zappone involved ?

History Queen · 20-06-2020 08:21PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Very sad to see on the news that some schools won’t be going ahead with July provision . It must be gutting for parents and the children

I didn't see the news. Was the reason given?

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2020 08:22PM

History Queen wrote: »

I didn't see the news. Was the reason given?

The schools said due to a lack of guidelines

History Queen · 20-06-2020 08:25PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The schools said due to a lack of guidelines

Not surprising, but so unfair to all involved. Particularly the students and their families. The Dept are so far beyond incompetent that it'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

iamwhoiam · 20-06-2020 08:28PM

History Queen wrote: »

Not surprising, but so unfair to all involved. Particularly the students and their families. The Dept are so far beyond incompetent that it'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious.

The two most important and vital Departments , Education and Health , let the people down time and time again . Its disturbing and upsetting as it effects the most vulnerable of society

jrosen · 20-06-2020 08:32PM

I actually had no idea what it was until last year. I met a teacher who did it. I remember thinking wow, what a great thing. So nice to see the department have a little forward thinking. Very sad to hear it wont go ahead as it really hurts the families.

downthemiddle · 20-06-2020 08:37PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Is it open now, is it opening next week???

News to me if that's the case, I thought they weren't opening for at least another 10 weeks.

I'm sure you remember the speech from Leo that you linked. He stated that we got into the next phase on June 29th. Are you seriously suggesting that schools reopen until 12.30 on Tuesday?

jlm29 · 20-06-2020 08:49PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I'm sure you remember the speech from Leo that you linked. He stated that we got into the next phase on June 29th. Are you seriously suggesting that schools reopen until 12.30 on Tuesday the 30th?

Some people On here seem to think that teachers and kids should just carry on working through the summer. I’m not a teacher, I’m a parent, and i would cry a river if I had to spend the summer ferrying my child to school. We’ve been working away at home for the last few months, uploading work and having it corrected By his teacher. He’s finished a lot of his workbooks, I don’t think they’re too far behind where they would be if he’d been in school full time, so I can’t see how anyone would expect schools to open for the summer.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 20-06-2020 08:54PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

I'm sure you remember the speech from Leo that you linked. He stated that we got into the next phase on June 29th. Are you seriously suggesting that schools reopen until 12.30 on Tuesday the 30th?

Yes as abhorrent as you might find that suggestion, they should actually be open before now.

But the government it seems has put everything else before reopening schools.

Why is it that many other sectors were crying out to be allowed to reopen asap? Why do you think that is?

And its got nothing to do with social distancing, lots of professions can't social distance (and have continued their work) and those that were closed still managed to come up with solutions to allow them reopen earlier than planned.

khalessi · 20-06-2020 09:01PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Yes as abhorrent as you might find that suggestion, they should actually be open before now.

But the government it seems has put everything else before reopening schools.

Why is it that many other sectors were crying out to be allowed to reopen asap? Why do you think that is?

And its got nothing to do with social distancing, lots of professions can't social distance (and have continued their work) and those that were closed still managed to come up with solutions to allow them reopen earlier than planned.

I would bet the reason schools are not open now is the Dept of Ed could not figure out how to do it safely. They couldnt even provide guidelines for September reopening last week after having months to plan. Those places that did open had some form of restriction on them implemented because of the pandemic we went through.

Some of those professional that worked through got training and protective measure implemented but sure why let details get in the way.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 20-06-2020 09:08PM

The schools are closed now as they were due to close anyway.

If the government wanted teachers to go back into school in a fortnight they'd have to offer money for that to happen as its outside of contract.

By the time they've that sorted it'll be September.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 20-06-2020 09:08PM

khalessi wrote: »

I would bet the reason schools are not open now is the Dept of Ed could not figure out how to do it safely. They couldnt even provide guidelines for September reopening last week after having months to plan. Those places that did open had some form of restriction on them implemented because of the pandemic we went through.

Some of those professional that worked through got training and protective measure implemented but sure why let details get in the way.

If their payday counted on it (like it does for a lot of businesses) you could guarantee they'd be quick enough to get their act together and figure out how to reopen.

Protective measures in some jobs are basically hand sanitiser or PPE, there was no training or anything special and I know there are plenty of others businesses operating the same, much of it is just for the sake of appearances.

downthemiddle · 20-06-2020 09:09PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Yes as abhorrent as you might find that suggestion, they should actually be open before now.
I certainly don't find the idea of reopening schools abhorrent despite your attempt at mysticism. However, unlike you, I'm not arrogant enough to think I know more than the health experts.

But the government it seems has put everything else before reopening schools.
That was always part of the roadmap
Why is it that many other sectors were crying out to be allowed to reopen asap? Why do you think that is?
I have no idea but I'm sure you have a theory.

And its got nothing to do with social distancing, lots of professions can't social distance (and have continued their work) and those that were closed still managed to come up with solutions to allow them reopen earlier than planned.
As has been pointed on a multitude of occasions you are not comparing like with like. However that won't stop you.

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Boggles · 20-06-2020 09:30PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if you were a teacher even though you say you aren't. You come across as somebody who has skin in the game....married to a teacher who you don't want going back to work perhaps?

Swing and a miss there Columbo. You couldn't actually be more wrong if you tried.

daydorunrun wrote: »

Whatever the case you seem dead set against the idea of schools going back in September.

Well no, like I previously stated I have both a personal and financial interest in the schools reopening, but more importantly staying open. So the reality is I have more at stake than most on this thread. But you know I'm not going to let my own self interest get in the way of reality.

It's interesting though you decide to have a go at me.

I mean we have posters on this thread gleefully celebrating going into packed supermarkets where social distancing isn't possible, the exact type of fúckery that may contribute to schools not reopening or at least not reopening fully.

Of course the same posters will be back on here blaming teachers if that happens, tone deaf to their own behavior.

I suppose their is nothing stranger than folk. Eh?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 20-06-2020 09:48PM

Boggles wrote: »

I mean we have posters on this thread gleefully celebrating going into packed supermarkets where social distancing isn't possible, the exact type of fúckery that may contribute to schools not reopening or at least not reopening fully.

How is stating an observation of people's behaviour gleefully celebrating?

Can you point out the part (or highlight as you say) where exactly I gleefully celebrated?

thomasdylan · 20-06-2020 10:28PM

:mad:

Boggles wrote: »

I suppose their is nothing stranger than folk. Eh?

I think one of the strangest things was someone saying that they didn't think an RCSI professor and Consultant in Infectious Diseases was credible.

Boggles MB BCh BS

firemansam4 · 20-06-2020 10:40PM

Boggles wrote:

Well no, like I previously stated I have both a personal and financial interest in the schools reopening, but more importantly staying open. So the reality is I have more at stake than most on this thread. But you know I'm not going to let my own self interest get in the way of reality.

It's not about our own personal and financial interests here, it's about the interests of children who are missing out on there education.

I have a child who was getting extra help in his class in senior infants, and as much as I've tried my best with home schooling, (and his teacher has been great as much as possible under the circumstances) he needs to get back into normal school routine as soon as is possible.
We are letting our children down if we don't do everything possible to accommodate that.

downthemiddle · 20-06-2020 11:04PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

It's not about our own personal and financial interests here, it's about the interests of children who are missing out on there education.

I have a child who was getting extra help in his class in senior infants, and as much as I've tried my best with home schooling, (and his teacher has been great as much as possible under the circumstances) he needs to get back into normal school routine as soon as is possible.
We are letting our children down if we don't do everything possible to accommodate that.

I can fully understand why, as a parent, you would be concerned. However children are extremely adaptable and resilient. His teacher has clearly done a good job in difficult circumstances and he will be in a better position than you think.
Schools today are very different places to the institutions most of us experienced. They will look at where he is at in September and use that as their starting point. He won't be thrown straight into first class work and asked to cope. Schools are fully aware that this was a difficult time for all and the wellbeing of the children will be prioritised in September. He will continue to receive the support he needs and the impact of covid will be long forgotten over the next decade of his education.
People completely underestimate the importance of a supportive parent. Talk to his teacher, listen to their advice, and work with them, and your son will reach his potential.

Sanjuro · 21-06-2020 07:35AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rte.ie/amp/1148664/

A nice look at different approaches to schools returning from different parts of the world.

morebabies · 21-06-2020 08:39AM

Does anyone know if the HSE has the testing capacity for the autumn /winter?
We'll have people needing to be tested who have bad flus, then people who are maybe worried and will bring elderly or children to a and e with bad colds / chesty coughs , then there will be actual coronavirus cases.
This will mean children and teachers having to stay off school for at least 14 days if they have symptoms similar to coronavirus. Symptoms of a chest infection for example can last weeks.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 08:47AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

:mad:

I think one of the strangest things was someone saying that they didn't think an RCSI professor and Consultant in Infectious Diseases was credible.

Boggles MB BCh BS

You hold the position that every public figure and their opinions on everything whatever their qualification is infallible?

Good for you.

firemansam4 wrote: »

It's not about our own personal and financial interests here, it's about the interests of children who are missing out on there education.

Jesus, way to miss my point. :rolleyes:

thomasdylan · 21-06-2020 10:11AM

Boggles wrote: »

You hold the position that every public figure and their opinions on everything whatever their qualification is infallible?

Good for you.

Credible isn't the same as infallible is it?

You should probably look up the word before using it again.

Boggles · 21-06-2020 10:17AM

thomasdylan wrote: »

Credible isn't the same as infallible is it?

You should probably look up the word before using it again.

And welcome to this mornings episode of dictionary corner.

Have you anything to add to the discussion of thread or are you just creepily going to follow my posts around?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 21-06-2020 12:00PM

Boggles wrote: »

I mean we have posters on this thread gleefully celebrating going into packed supermarkets where social distancing isn't possible, the exact type of fúckery that may contribute to schools not reopening or at least not reopening fully.

Still haven't answered and highlighted where this gleeful celebration happened?

Boggles · 21-06-2020 01:58PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

How is stating an observation of people's behaviour gleefully celebrating?

Can you point out the part (or highlight as you say) where exactly I gleefully celebrated?

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Did you not hear, it's all about personal responsibility and the DATE concept now - Distance, Activity, Time and Environment.

Lockdown is so last month

Just up at my local supermarket who have been quite stringent throughout but there's been a massive shift and you couldn't social distance in there now if you tried. The changes in people's behaviour was clear to see.

Guess they were all listening to Leo yesterday

Or did you mean to include sad faces to register your disgust?

firemansam4 · 21-06-2020 06:55PM

downthemiddle wrote:

I can fully understand why, as a parent, you would be concerned. However children are extremely adaptable and resilient. His teacher has clearly done a good job in difficult circumstances and he will be in a better position than you think. Schools today are very different places to the institutions most of us experienced. They will look at where he is at in September and use that as their starting point. He won't be thrown straight into first class work and asked to cope. Schools are fully aware that this was a difficult time for all and the wellbeing of the children will be prioritised in September. He will continue to receive the support he needs and the impact of covid will be long forgotten over the next decade of his education. People completely underestimate the importance of a supportive parent. Talk to his teacher, listen to their advice, and work with them, and your son will reach his potential.

Thanks, hopefully with support he can catch up again when school starts up again, would be great if things continue to improve and we can just put this whole mess behind us all soon after. Here is hoping anyway....

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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