How will schools be able to go back in September?

downthemiddle

iamwhoiam wrote: »

But most importantly and top of the list is the children , they deserve a concerted effort from all adults involved who must strive to see solutions and surmount obstacles .Because the children deserve it .

Of that there can be no argument.

Boggles

iamwhoiam wrote: »

.Every suggestion is shot down eventually ,

That's twice now in the space of a couple of posts.

What feasible workable suggestion has been dismissed?

Other countries have been cited as having their kids back to school. Denmark being one.

They have a strict 12 pupil to one teacher bubble and just as importantly had the infrastructural capacity to implement social distancing.

Perfect solution how do we do that in Ireland, where we have one of the highest teacher to pupil ratios and are at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to infrastructural investment?

Benimar

The only thing that will stop schools from reopening in September is if the Government insist on no social distancing measures. I could see unions (rightly) not putting their members health at risk.

Once they keep the same social distancing measures as in the general community (or do something to protect Teachers if no SD is forced through) then schools will reopen. Not one teacher has said otherwise.

Teachers will be working 5 day weeks, but even with 1m social distance students will only be in approx 50% of the time. The only way to increase that % is with extra teachers and extra space - and the responsibility for that rests squarely with the Government.

wirelessdude01

seamus wrote: »

Teacher (and TAs/SNAs) operate completely within the confines of their class and do not mix with any other classes.
Put in place various protocols to avoid mixing, such as;

- One-way systems around the school
- Staggered start/end times to prevent parents from having to mix
- Staggered yard times so that the yard is only in use by one class at a time.
- Teachers eat lunch with the kids, in the classroom. It's not a long work day, there is no need for the teacher to leave the room for lunch.
- If the teacher calls in sick, or an SNA does and there is not enough help, the whole class stays at home that day.

Anything else can be worked around.

Not possible with SNA's. A lot of them manage numerous different children during the day.

Dublingirl80

Some of the issues with all this are just highlighting how much our schools are behind as far as infrastructure, funding, hygiene, class size and teacher ratio etc. We seem to be majorly behind most in europe and maybe this is what people should be most annoyed about.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Some of the issues with all this are just highlighting how much our schools are behind as far as infrastructure, funding, hygiene, class size and teacher ratio etc. We seem to be majorly behind most in europe and maybe this is what people should be most annoyed about.

Agree, but we can't blame a teacher for that and that's no fun

jrosen

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

Some of the issues with all this are just highlighting how much our schools are behind as far as infrastructure, funding, hygiene, class size and teacher ratio etc. We seem to be majorly behind most in europe and maybe this is what people should be most annoyed about.

Agreed.

What it also highlights is the huge inconsistencies across our schools, from class sizes, classroom sizes, teacher standards, to supports, even down to basic hot water.
Bottom line we all pay into the pot and its about time all the kids in this country had access to the same standards and all the teachers had the opportunity to work in suitable school buildings with adequate supplies.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Benimar wrote: »

The only thing that will stop schools from reopening in September is if the Government insist on no social distancing measures. I could see unions (rightly) not putting their members health at risk.

Once they keep the same social distancing measures as in the general community (or do something to protect Teachers if no SD is forced through) then schools will reopen. Not one teacher has said otherwise.

Teachers will be working 5 day weeks, but even with 1m social distance students will only be in approx 50% of the time. The only way to increase that % is with extra teachers and extra space - and the responsibility for that rests squarely with the Government.

How about the teachers social distance from students and other staff and just let the kids get on with it.

No capacity issues then fitting kids in classes and teachers will still have their 2 metres.

Nobody has to be told to or not to social distance, people can decide to do that themselves. But social distancing will be dead in the water by then anyway.

jrosen

Well now that Leo has moved all things forward, gyms open, cinema, hair & beauty. Indoors groups of 50 etc there wont any reason schools cant go back in 2 months time.
Maybe we have all fretted over nothing.

History Queen

jrosen wrote: »

Well now that Leo has moved all things forward, gyms open, cinema, hair & beauty. Indoors groups of 50 etc there wont any reason schools cant go back in 2 months time.
Maybe we have all fretted over nothing.

Just thinking this myself. Aside from protocols for dealing with symptomatic staff/students and (hopefully?) improved handwashing/sanitizer provision, it looks like they'll be almost as normal as when we closed.

jrosen

History Queen wrote: »

Just thinking this myself. Aside from protocols for dealing with symptomatic staff/students and (hopefully?) improved handwashing/sanitizer provision, it looks like they'll be almost as normal as when we closed.

Hopefully, I would love that

brendanwalsh

Our school systems has been neglected as much as our healthcare system and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Parents who were using school as a babysitting service have also been revealed.

Everyone wants schools to open, but let’s do it safely and not put teachers lives at risk for the sake of free babysitting

iamwhoiam

History Queen wrote: »

Just thinking this myself. Aside from protocols for dealing with symptomatic staff/students and (hopefully?) improved handwashing/sanitizer provision, it looks like they'll be almost as normal as when we closed.

In the words of Eliza Dolittle “ Ah wouldn’t it be loverly “ !

jrosen

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Our school systems has been neglected as much as our healthcare system and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Parents who were using school as a babysitting service have also been revealed.

Everyone wants schools to open, but let’s do it safely and not put teachers lives at risk for the sake of free babysitting

Parents are not using schools as a babysitting service, children have to be educated. What parents are doing is working their childcare schedule and work schedule around the school calendar. It has been happening this way since the year dot.
With the cost of childcare being unaffordable for many families typically one person (usually mum) reduces her hours to work around school and therefore reduce the need for out of school hours childcare.

lulublue22

History Queen wrote: »

Just thinking this myself. Aside from protocols for dealing with symptomatic staff/students and (hopefully?) improved handwashing/sanitizer provision, it looks like they'll be almost as normal as when we closed.

fingers crossed but its looking good

Mrsmum

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Our school systems has been neglected as much as our healthcare system and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Parents who were using school as a babysitting service have also been revealed.

Everyone wants schools to open, but let’s do it safely and not put teachers lives at risk for the sake of free babysitting

Wrong. Parents do not see school as a babysitting service. It would be a very poor one if that's what it was. They, in fact, see it as a place where their children are educated and they work around that. Most parents have a working day that's a lot longer than the school day added to the fact that young children are roughly off school three and a half months a year which is a lot more than most parents' holidays. That means that most working parents employ childcare for their school going children. Other parents decide there are six hours in the day when they could be gainfully employed, so that's what they do.

Dr Turk Turkelton

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Our school systems has been neglected as much as our healthcare system and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Parents who were using school as a babysitting service have also been revealed.

Everyone wants schools to open, but let’s do it safely and not put teachers lives at risk for the sake of free babysitting

Bit harsh on the teachers there brendan, they are a lot more than glorified babysitters as you seem to be referring to them as.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Great news tonight as yet more restrictions are lifted faster again. This is brilliant news and does highlight that all will (hopefully) be as normal as possible for school returns.

I think this is the closest we'll come to them actually saying social distancing is no longer required:

"Distance: The public is being asked to stay two metres away from others where possible"

mcsean2163

s1ippy wrote: »

You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG ABOUT THAT.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/06/09/who-comments-asymptomatic-spread-covid-19/


ALTHOUGH you could be forgiven, because they DID say what you're asserting, but they clarified later that they were saying that very few people who have the virus NEVER develop symptoms. On a sliding scale everyone's survival rate drops to zero, that kind of thing.

I actually submitted a complaint about this dangerous misinformation spree they went on. The clarity and accuracy of the information in this pandemic is life and death, so having people incorrectly believe there's little to no asymptomatic transmission when they mean that people WILL go on to develop symptoms but they can be contagious when they're PRESYMPTOMATIC is so fúcking dangerous and irresponsible. It WILL AND probably HAS ALREADY cost lives.

https://www.euro.who.int/en/about-us/contact-us

Submit a complaint to them above if you feel the same way, it probably won't do any good but they need to hear that people want them to be held accountable for their dangerous and spurious claims which they immediately retract less publicly and clearly to no avail.

For all the martyrs in here who are losing their minds that their children are falling behind,
[url]Https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/less-school-and-more-play-has-benefits-for-children-study-finds-1.4281718?mode=amp[/url]

You're probably doing fine. It is children from disadvantaged households who are at risk of serious harm, not just forgetting their tables but seeing much more awful sh!t a lot more regularly with no hope of escape.

Hopefully their schools will have summer programmes set up for those pupils. Our local special school caters to students with behavioural issues and ASD. They have provision for a couple of very small classes, about 45 students with 7 teachers and 15 SNAs.

So don't worry, they are putting plans in place for the ones who really really need it the most. The rest can attend summer camps etc and hopefully by September the prevalence of this will be much lower and classrooms will be made safer places to be for everyone with the right measures in place.

Thanks for the correction, I didn't realize the Who had rowed back on their statement.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/09/who-expert-backtracks-after-saying-asymptomatic-transmission-very-rare

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I think this is the closest we'll come to them actually saying social distancing is no longer required:

There is only one country in the world where social distancing is no longer required and it's not us.

DSN

Mrsmum wrote: »

Wrong. Parents do not see school as a babysitting service. It would be a very poor one if that's what it was. They, in fact, see it as a place where their children are educated and they work around that. Most parents have a working day that's a lot longer than the school day added to the fact that young children are roughly off school three and a half months a year which is a lot more than most parents' holidays. That means that most working parents employ childcare for their school going children. Other parents decide there are six hours in the day when they could be gainfully employed, so that's what they do.

Agreed. And what about teachers themselves with kids but harsh to accuse them of using their colleagues as free babysitters 😂

tscul32

Boggles wrote: »

It shouldn't.

Dept of Education refuses to release results of fire safety assessments at schools

17 additional school buildings found with structural defects

In the school I was talking about every classroom has a back door too.

bettyoleary

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Great news tonight as yet more restrictions are lifted faster again. This is brilliant news and does highlight that all will (hopefully) be as normal as possible for school returns.

I think this is the closest we'll come to them actually saying social distancing is no longer required:

"Distance: The public is being asked to stay two metres away from others where possible"

What you have to realize here is the virus hasn't gone and so no govt can insist safety precautions don't have to be adhered to. So basically you are going to have certain types of people. The very rich who want more money and don't give a sit as they have the means to protect themselves. The Govt who have their own agenda and can also protect themselves. And then normal people. These people consist of poor people,old people and the rest who will agitate for normality ie pubs, hols etc. But what the govt cant control unfortunately is people with a brain!!!!!! Hence teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be done.

I celebrate them and as long as the virus is here they will be the most sensible. You cant bully them. The unions are strong. My advice for any parent that cares about their childs education is to go to Google or get a private teacher,

ldy4mxonucwsq6

bettyoleary wrote: »

What you have to realize here is the virus hasn't gone and so no govt can insist safety precautions don't have to be adhered to. So basically you are going to have certain types of people. The very rich who want more money and don't give a sit as they have the means to protect themselves. The Govt who have their own agenda and can also protect themselves. And then normal people. These people consist of poor people,old people and the rest who will agitate for normality ie pubs, hols etc. But what the govt cant control unfortunately is people with a brain!!!!!! Hence teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be done.

I celebrate them and as long as the virus is here they will be the most sensible. You cant bully them. The unions are strong. My advice for any parent that cares about their childs education is to go to Google or get a private teacher,

The virus is virtually gone from our communities(that's from leading scientific advice BTW), the powers that be will never tell us not to social distance but what they have said now is that we should social distance where possible.

The students in schools won't be required to social distance and the schools will return to normal capacity in 2 months time......because we social distance 'where possible'.

The safety precautions have changed and will continue to do so.

iamwhoiam

bettyoleary wrote: »

What you have to realize here is the virus hasn't gone and so no govt can insist safety precautions don't have to be adhered to. So basically you are going to have certain types of people. The very rich who want more money and don't give a sit as they have the means to protect themselves. The Govt who have their own agenda and can also protect themselves. And then normal people. These people consist of poor people,old people and the rest who will agitate for normality ie pubs, hols etc. But what the govt cant control unfortunately is people with a brain!!!!!! Hence teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be done.

I celebrate them and as long as the virus is here they will be the most sensible. You cant bully them. The unions are strong. My advice for any parent that cares about their childs education is to go to Google or get a private teacher,

You do teachers no favours by posting such bull . “ They are not desperate because they are not being paid “ is a insult to any teacher who is reading it .
Any teacher worth their salary will be desperately trying to find solutions and overcome obstacles and not sit being paid until someone else pops along to kill the bold virus

jrosen

bettyoleary wrote: »

What you have to realize here is the virus hasn't gone and so no govt can insist safety precautions don't have to be adhered to. So basically you are going to have certain types of people. The very rich who want more money and don't give a sit as they have the means to protect themselves. The Govt who have their own agenda and can also protect themselves. And then normal people. These people consist of poor people,old people and the rest who will agitate for normality ie pubs, hols etc. But what the govt cant control unfortunately is people with a brain!!!!!! Hence teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be done.

I celebrate them and as long as the virus is here they will be the most sensible. You cant bully them. The unions are strong. My advice for any parent that cares about their childs education is to go to Google or get a private teacher,

Your post is laughable. You criticize those who are rich and yet then claim anyone who is concerned about their childs education should hire a private teacher. Not many poor people able to afford that im afraid.

The virus is practically gone from the communities. That has been confirmed by the medical professionals. The same people who had us shut down and social distance to begin with.
The new advice is to social distance "where possible"
We are not picking and choosing elements of the advice we want to follow people are actually following the medical advice. Which means business can open, kids can play in playgrounds, sports can come back, clinics and out patients depts can start getting through the thousands of people who's appointments had been put on hold and weather the teacher unions like it come September if the pattern of the virus doesnt change or worsen there will be no justifiable reason to keep schools closed.
Remember all along our decisions had to be proportionate. So now the country can start to operate again.

bettyoleary

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The virus is virtually gone from our communities(that's from leading scientific advice BTW), the powers that be will never tell us not to social distance but what they have said now is that we should social distance where possible.

The students in schools won't be required to social distance and the schools will return to normal capacity in 2 months time......because we social distance 'where possible'.

The safety precautions have changed and will continue to do so.

Hey Fringe, the virus hasn't gone. It is spreading massively in the Americas and in India and Africa. Did you not see that. Even in European countries ie Germany, there are massive spikes. It dosent matter a bit if we have no cases it is still rampant around the world, hence it can get back here. So, we have to but in place safety measures. The Govt, whilst the virus is still here have to abide by safety measures. Scientists , who I believe re the authority on this virus have advised we need to be safe. So we can open up but as soon as borders open we will get virus back. I'm just saying by October you need to make provisions to teach from home.

bettyoleary

bettyoleary wrote: »

Hey Fringe, the virus hasn't gone. It is spreading massively in the Americas and in India and Africa. Did you not see that. Even in European countries ie Germany, there are massive spikes. It dosent matter a bit if we have no cases it is still rampant around the world, hence it can get back here. So, we have to but in place safety measures. The Govt, whilst the virus is still here have to abide by safety measures. Scientists , who I believe re the authority on this virus have advised we need to be safe. So we can open up but as soon as borders open we will get virus back. I'm just saying by October you need to make provisions to teach from home.

D love kids to get back to school as normal but its not happening until a vaccine. I don't care how much you agitate. The teachers union are strong and will protect the people that govt cant control. If I were you, despite taking a hol in Spain if your desperate, would try to learn teaching from home. That's if you want your kids to flourish. I'm not sure about you but I wouldn't be trusting state educaton at the moment.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

bettyoleary wrote: »

Hey Fringe, the virus hasn't gone. It is spreading massively in the Americas and in India and Africa. Did you not see that. Even in European countries ie Germany, there are massive spikes. It dosent matter a bit if we have no cases it is still rampant around the world, hence it can get back here. So, we have to but in place safety measures. The Govt, whilst the virus is still here have to abide by safety measures. Scientists , who I believe re the authority on this virus have advised we need to be safe. So we can open up but as soon as borders open we will get virus back. I'm just saying by October you need to make provisions to teach from home.

"A specialist in infectious diseases has said the switch to individual responsibility now required of people by the accelerated reopening of the economy is wise and people "must get out there" and live again.

Professor Sam McConkey said he is comfortable with the accelerated reopening of the economy as the virus is circulating at a "one in a million" level in the community".

I think you must be misinterpreting recent advice because a lot has changed since the 'stay at home' advice. So I'll take my chances, doubt very much I'll need to make any home schooling provisions unless there are clusters in my area.

Curve flattened, hospital capacity not overrun, job done now and we're getting into a better position to deal with any further outbreaks. The country will not have another nationwide lockdown again.

bettyoleary

iamwhoiam wrote: »

You do teachers no favours by posting such bull . “ They are not desperate because they are not being paid “ is a insult to any teacher who is reading it .
Any teacher worth their salary will be desperately trying to find solutions and overcome obstacles and not sit being paid until someone else pops along to kill the bold virus

They are being paid in full and will continue to be paid as they are still working