How will schools be able to go back in September?

iamwhoiam

bettyoleary wrote: »

They are being paid in full and will continue to be paid as they are still working

I was quoting you !!!’ I give up !





These are your words not mine



“””””teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be “””””

bettyoleary

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I was quoting you !!!’ I give up !





These are your words not mine



“””””teachers who are following scientific advice. They wont feel proud like nurses that people are clapping. They arnt desperate because they are not being paid so they are looking at scientific advice and will adhere to it which is really what should be “””””

What I was trying to say was you wont be able to encourage teachers to put themselves in danger by clapping for them. You wont be able to put a guilt trip on them. That wont work unfortunately. Teachers will follow scientific guidance. Why don't parents just start learning to teach on line. Whats the problem if they are so worried???

iamwhoiam

bettyoleary wrote: »

What I was trying to say was you wont be able to encourage teachers to put themselves in danger by clapping for them. You wont be able to put a guilt trip on them. That wont work unfortunately. Teachers will follow scientific guidance. Why don't parents just start learning to teach on line. Whats the problem if they are so worried???

You are a nurse and you think your profession put themselves in danger because we clapped for them .How insulting to your own profession . I am a retired nurse , I never worked because I was guilt tripped into it .I worked because it was my job to do so and to do it to the best of my abilty .

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

the powers that be will never tell us not to social distance but what they have said now is that we should social distance where possible.

Have they?

Have you a link to that?

Pretty sure they have said where social distancing can be challenging wear a mask.

Transport and enclosed areas like shops.

Mr Harris also said that wearing a face mask is a behavioural change “we will have to get used to”.

In the same way that people put their phone, keys and wallet into their bags, they should now put a face mask into a bag and into their pocket, he said, and for use on public transport and in indoor public areas such as shops, visiting the homes of those who are cocooning and visiting a residential care facility and in indoor areas where it is difficult to keep the 2 metres social distance.

jrosen

bettyoleary wrote: »

What I was trying to say was you wont be able to encourage teachers to put themselves in danger by clapping for them. You wont be able to put a guilt trip on them. That wont work unfortunately. Teachers will follow scientific guidance. Why don't parents just start learning to teach on line. Whats the problem if they are so worried???

Parents are worried because thats what parents do, we worry. They dont want their kids falling behind or struggling next year.

Parents are not teachers, they dont have the tools at short notice to teach their kids. Although I have no doubt parents who choose to homeschool do an amazing job.
Oh and parents also have jobs. So its a little hard to do their job that they are held accountable for and also teach/look after the kids all at the same time.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

Have they?

Have you a link to that?

Pretty sure they have said where social distancing can be challenging wear a mask.

Transport and enclosed areas like shops.



I haven't seen advice from any official that says if you can't 'social distance, don't bother, you'll be grand'

They didn't say don't bother, they said try to social distance if possible.

Try and if possible.

https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/6e243-speech-of-an-taoiseach-leo-varadkar-announcing-a-revised-roadmap-for-reopening-irelands-society-and-business/

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

"A specialist in infectious diseases has said the switch to individual responsibility now required of people by the accelerated reopening of the economy is wise and people "must get out there" and live again.

Professor Sam McConkey said he is comfortable with the accelerated reopening of the economy as the virus is circulating at a "one in a million" level in the community".

Professor Sam McConkey: The reality is it could be November before schools are back in full

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

They didn't say don't bother, they said try to social distance if possible.

Try and if possible.

https://www.gov.ie/en/speech/6e243-speech-of-an-taoiseach-leo-varadkar-announcing-a-revised-roadmap-for-reopening-irelands-society-and-business/

Could you highlight where they said that please?

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

Professor Sam McConkey: The reality is it could be November before schools are back in full

Yes he is saying we should open schools now to be back as close as possible to normal in September. I agree with him.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes he is saying we should open schools now. I agree with him.

Well, no he doesn't.

But he says a lot of things, namely what conditions should be in place before we fully reopen schools.

As long as we have in Ireland very low rates of unexplained community transmission of Covid-19, rapid same-day results, testing and tracing, effective adherent self-isolation of first and perhaps second-degree contacts, and control of incoming Covid-19 at our borders, then this should be relatively safe for our children and their families.

For the record unlike some on here, I don't think he completely credible.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

Could you highlight where they said that please?

Here's an idea, I've given you the link so why not go and read it yourself, it's there word for word.

It was part of the Taoiseach speech last night, widely reported all over the media since then.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

meeeeh wrote: »

Yes he is saying we should open schools now to be back as close as possible to normal in September. I agree with him.

Of course they should, the question is why isnt the government prioritising our young people.

Sure we can go get a haircut and head off to the other end of the country for a few pints from next week but we cannot open our education system, it's baffling.

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Here's an idea, I've given you the link so why not go and read it yourself, it's there word for word.

It was part of the Taoiseach speech last night, widely reported all over the media since then.

Oh sorry I thought you were talking about official public health policy not shoot from the hip Leo speeches.

The speech where he put in a line from Mean Girls? The man is a complete and utter buffoon and the sooner he fúcks off the better.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1274064553962360833

stay 2 meters away from others

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

Oh sorry I thought you were talking about official public health policy not shoot from the hip Leo speeches.

The speech where he put in a line from Mean Girls? The man is a complete and utter buffoon and the sooner he fúcks off the better.

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1274064553962360833

Did you not hear, it's all about personal responsibility and the DATE concept now - Distance, Activity, Time and Environment.

Lockdown is so last month

Just up at my local supermarket who have been quite stringent throughout but there's been a massive shift and you couldn't social distance in there now if you tried. The changes in people's behaviour was clear to see.

Guess they were all listening to Leo yesterday

thomasdylan

Boggles wrote: »

For the record unlike some on here, I don't think he completely credible.

I'd say he's gutted by that.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Of course they should, the question is why isnt the government prioritising our young people.

Sure we can go get a haircut and head off to the other end of the country for a few pints from next week but we cannot open our education system, it's baffling.

What is baffling is that you think the education system is not reopening. Have you a link for that?

Mrsmum

bettyoleary wrote: »

Hey Fringe, the virus hasn't gone. It is spreading massively in the Americas and in India and Africa. Did you not see that. Even in European countries ie Germany, there are massive spikes. It dosent matter a bit if we have no cases it is still rampant around the world, hence it can get back here. So, we have to but in place safety measures. The Govt, whilst the virus is still here have to abide by safety measures. Scientists , who I believe re the authority on this virus have advised we need to be safe. So we can open up but as soon as borders open we will get virus back. I'm just saying by October you need to make provisions to teach from home.

Betty, While we would all love to think it is all behind us, I would say most people realise there could or likely will be spikes here and there going forward. Nevertheless we cannot just stop living for fear of might bes. I heard Sam McConkey describing it like driving a car. Every time you get into a car, there is a possibility you could be involved in an accident, a small one, a life changing one or even a fatal one. Now are you never going to drive again because you're not willing to take any risk or are you going to get on with living ? I don't think the whole country will ever be shut down again but if there are cases in a particular school, that school will be closed for a few weeks but not every other school closing just to keep them company. That will mean most schools will operate without a bother. And if it all goes to hell in a handcart again, everyone will just do then what needs to be done but not in case it might happen. However in the meantime we all need to keep washing hands, having good cough etiquette, social distancing where possible to keep it out of our communities. It won't get into a school if it is not at large in the wider community of that school.

History Queen

downthemiddle wrote: »

What is baffling is that you think the education system is not reopening. Have you a link for that?

A lot of people seem to think the same for some reason. As of now schools are expected to reopen at the end of August as usual. Aside from (imo prudent) questions around new protocols or procedures that may be in place, I don't know why or where people are getting the idea that they aren't opening?

Boggles

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Just up at my local supermarket who have been quite stringent throughout but there's been a massive shift and you couldn't social distance in there now if you tried. The changes in people's behaviour was clear to see.

Guess they were all listening to Leo yesterday

Obviously there are not.

From the speech you linked to

Taking personal responsibility means not entering a place if you see it is packed

Boggles

History Queen wrote: »

A lot of people seem to think the same for some reason. As of now schools are expected to reopen at the end of August as usual. Aside from (imo prudent) questions around new protocols or procedures that may be in place, I don't know why or where people are getting the idea that they aren't opening?

It's quite simple.

Because the overall narrative of the thread is to label all teachers feckless cowards.

Reality gets in the way of that so it is dismissed and alternative facts presented.

It wouldn't surprise me that half the people on the thread claiming to have kids actually don't.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

downthemiddle wrote: »

What is baffling is that you think the education system is not reopening. Have you a link for that?

Is it open now, is it opening next week???

News to me if that's the case, I thought they weren't opening for at least another 10 weeks.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple.

Because the overall narrative of the thread is to label all teachers feckless cowards.

Reality gets in the way of that so it is dismissed and alternative facts presented.

It wouldn't surprise me that half the people on the thread claiming to have kids actually don't.

Oh I see how this works.


It's quite simple.

Because the overall narrative of the thread is to label all parents feckless lazy idiots.

Reality gets in the way of that so defensiveness and hysteria are presented.

It wouldn't surprise me that half the people on the thread claiming to be teachers actually aren't.


(But that's not true either, it's all about perspective!)

Benimar

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Is it open now, is it opening next week???

News to me if that's the case, I thought they weren't opening for at least another 10 weeks.

You are aware that the kids are on summer holidays now (or will be within a week) ?

daydorunrun

Boggles wrote: »

It's quite simple.

Because the overall narrative of the thread is to label all teachers feckless cowards.

Reality gets in the way of that so it is dismissed and alternative facts presented.

It wouldn't surprise me that half the people on the thread claiming to have kids actually don't.

It wouldn't surprise me if you were a teacher even though you say you aren't. You come across as somebody who has skin in the game....married to a teacher who you don't want going back to work perhaps? Whatever the case you seem dead set against the idea of schools going back in September.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Oh I see how this works.


It's quite simple.

Because the overall narrative of the thread is to label all parents feckless lazy idiots.

Reality gets in the way of that so defensiveness and hysteria are presented.

It wouldn't surprise me that half the people on the thread claiming to be teachers actually aren't.


(But that's not true either, it's all about perspective!)

So for the craic a bunch of random people claim to be teachers to get slagged off, called cowards lazy and other teacher bashing comments over the last few months on various threads, which then are then liked by those not brave enough or just sly enough not to say it directly so they dont get into trouble. Meanwhile the fake teachers spend time on multiple threads debating or speaking out against said comments. Sounds like a realistic scenario to me.

jrosen

Schools are due to open in September, this we know. The question was always in what capacity? One day a week for every child, blended learning?

Im confident schools will be back and open with full classrooms in September. There will be hygiene guidelines. But it will be business as usual unless we see huge increases in cases.

Even if we do down the line Ireland will not enter into another lockdown, the country will not survive.

daydorunrun

khalessi wrote: »

So for the craic a bunch of random people claim to be teachers to get slagged off, called cowards lazy and other teacher bashing comments over the last few months on various threads, which then are then liked by those not brave enough or just sly enough not to say it directly so they dont get into trouble. Meanwhile the fake teachers spend time on multiple threads debating or speaking out against said comments. Sounds like a realistic scenario to me.

You forgot to log in to your Boggles user name account:D

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

So for the craic a bunch of random people claim to be teachers to get slagged off, called cowards lazy and other teacher bashing comments over the last few months on various threads, which then are then liked by those not brave enough or just sly enough not to say it directly so they dont get into trouble. Meanwhile the fake teachers spend time on multiple threads debating or speaking out against said comments. Sounds like a realistic scenario to me.

Did you not see what that was in response to?

Suggest you go read it, exactly as I said it's all about perspective.

khalessi

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Did you not see what that was in response to?

Suggest you go read it, as I said it's all about perspective.

Ah yes perspective indeed

ldy4mxonucwsq6

khalessi wrote: »

Ah yes perspective indeed

Ah yes loads of pretend parents come on here to just teacher bash don't they. Well according to Boggles they do