Relaxation of restrictions Part II

easypazz · 29-04-2020 09:53PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Method to fudge it I suppose.

KrustyUCC · 29-04-2020 09:55PM

cython wrote: »

To be fair, if they actually established a concrete frame of reference for any of the metrics in that manner (the exception maybe being when they said we needed the growth rate under 5% - It's now under 2.....) it would be more of a commitment than any of the recent vague announcements.

True I suppose

Still smacks of not having an actual plan that people can follow but I'll wait for the detail

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2020 09:59PM

I actually think if they allowed visits to sit in a garden with good social distancing and encouraged 3 metres between us that people would in fact adhere to it
If they don’t give an inch on Tuesday they run the risk of people doing exactly as they please
By giving a little more people will stick to it and by engaging with the public and driving home the distancing they will get more on board and less breaking the rules

A meet with a friend or family within a certain range in the garden with 3 metres between would calm a lot of the uneasy public. I see it all around me people getting fed up with the lack of any tiny chink of relief .

cython · 29-04-2020 10:00PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True I suppose

Still smacks of not having an actual plan that people can follow but I'll wait for the detail

Agreed. I'd honestly be shocked if we got anything resembling a benchmark or measurable frame of reference. And even if it were given, I've no reason to believe that it won't be ignored down the line in favour of something more convenient to them anyway.

NIMAN · 29-04-2020 10:02PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I actually think if they allowed visits to sit in a garden with good social distancing and encouraged 3 metres between us that people would in fact adhere to it
If they don’t give an inch on Tuesday they run the risk of people doing exactly as they please
By giving a little more people will stick to it and by engaging with the public and driving home the distancing they will get more on board and less breaking the rules

A meet with a friend or family within a certain range in the garden with 3 metres between would calm a lot of the uneasy public. I see it all around me people getting fed up with the lack of any tiny chink of relief .

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

Spanish Eyes · 29-04-2020 10:06PM

NIMAN wrote: »

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

Kids won't sit down for more than a minute. But whatever.

showpony1 · 29-04-2020 10:07PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Another fine example of people trivialising & sneering at other people’s legitimate concerns & worries.
Yeah you’re right, I want lockdown ended purely so I can get my dog a few highlights, I’ll get my nails done and then we’ll probably stop at the pub for a few scoops on our way home :rolleyes:

There was an article in my local paper this week about an elderly women who fell and hurt her hip and is now in hospital, where she is at a high risk of contracting the virus.
She injured herself trying to lift her dog into the bath. Her dog has dermatitis and requires a weekly medicated bath to treat his condition.
Her daughter, who gave the interview to the newspaper, said this was a service usually provided by her dog groomer but as they were closed & she was cocooning she was trying to do it herself.
She won’t be the first or last case of something like that happening. And regardless, if vets are allowed to open then so should groomers.
One is as necessary as the other, which you would understand if you had any experience with animals who have skin conditions or who require regular care.
Now do you see why this is an essential service?

Ok - So you are totally changing the context of saying the Dog groomers need to be opened as an "essential service" from what you actually said in your post Sue. You are now saying this is due to an old woman dying trying to lift her sick dog into the bath - when your whole previous post was about your poor doggo needing to have to wear a pony tail cause his hair was in his eyes. that was the only "legitimate concern" in your whole previous post.

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2020 10:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Kids won't sit down for more than a minute. But whatever.

Of course they would . Older kids , 8, 9 10 are well able to sit for a while and chat
Not talking toddlers here but not all kids are toddlers !

JRant · 29-04-2020 10:09PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Vintage Leo speak so.
We hit a target, then he'll come out and say, oh we need to be at that level for a week minimum. The fudging opportunities are endless and exactly the type of scenario he loves. He strikes me as someone who needs a focus group to tell him what cereal to eat in the morning.

Spanish Eyes · 29-04-2020 10:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Of course they would . Older kids , 8, 9 10 are well able to sit for a while and chat
Not talking toddlers here but not all kids are toddlers !

OK, OK, settle down. I get what you are saying, but the instinct of kids is to mingle and play. And they may have younger siblings also.

It's a tough call really, since they have so much energy to run off, and unless you have them in reins off they will go, inevitable.

Stark · 29-04-2020 10:12PM

Or I could go and visit my parents who live > 2km away. At the moment they're visiting my grandmother who does live close to them and being sensible about it by sitting a few metres away in the garden as people do when you let them know the how/why of what you're trying to achieve and allow them to act accordingly. But I can't do the same because of this ridiculous rule brought in just because Glendalough was busy.

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2020 10:12PM

JRant wrote: »

Vintage Leo speak so.
We hit a target, then he'll come out and say, oh we need to be at that level for a week minimum. The fudging opportunities are endless and exactly the type of scenario he loves. He strikes me as someone who needs a focus group to tell him what cereal to eat in the morning.

Let's see what Friday brings but if that's the way it goes it'll be difficult for them to get people on their side again as it wont give clarity to businesses

iamwhoiam · 29-04-2020 10:14PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK, OK, settle down. I get what you are saying, but the instinct of kids is to mingle and play. And they may have younger siblings also.

It's a tough call really, since they have so much energy to run off, and unless you have them in reins off they will go, inevitable.

Then you leave again . I can’t see the problem really . Older kids will sit very still if it means they get to see grandparents again in my opinion

JRant · 29-04-2020 10:15PM

NIMAN wrote: »

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

Ah Jaysus, don't be mentioning kids meeting relatives. Sure kids are responsible for around 117% of all COVID cases. I hear they only have to look at someone and they get it.

All joking aside, my 2 are young and at the first opportunity they'll be visiting their cousins. They miss their relatives as much as older people. In many ways it's worse for them because they can't actually grasp the reason why.

road_high · 29-04-2020 10:15PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Back to that "at an appropriate time" crack

Some plan that is

That really won't go down well with people

That should have been the plan 7 weeks ago then. An awful lot of time has been wasted but par for the course with the HSE involved. The most incompetent organisation in the country led by dithering pen pushers- what could go wrong?

Spanish Eyes · 29-04-2020 10:16PM

NIMAN wrote: »

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

I doubt they would all sit on the lawn doing embroidery or playing with lego.

They would go ape with other kids to play with. It is just what they do.

Jinglejangle69 · 29-04-2020 10:18PM

road_high wrote: »

That should have been the plan 7 weeks ago then. An awful lot of time has been wasted but par for the course with the HSE involved. The most incompetent organisation in the country led by dithering pen pushers- what could go wrong?

Yeah 7 weeks ago Ireland should have known the plan for a virus no country has yet to figure out.

Jesus what was your plan 7 weeks ago?

Spanish Eyes · 29-04-2020 10:19PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then you leave again . I can’t see the problem really . Older kids will sit very still if it means they get to see grandparents again in my opinion

Fair enough. I just wonder about the practicalities of a load of kids together visiting Gran and Grandad or whomever. They go nuts! It is lovely to see, but in these times I would be a tad concerned.

cython · 29-04-2020 10:20PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK, OK, settle down. I get what you are saying, but the instinct of kids is to mingle and play. And they may have younger siblings also.

It's a tough call really, since they have so much energy to run off, and unless you have them in reins off they will go, inevitable.

Well according to the Swiss under 10s aren't a risk (https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/swiss-elderly-told-they-can-hug-children-who-are-under-10-as-theyre-not-spreaders-39166432.html) and if you accept that from 10 upwards they can be "controlled", for want of a better term, then where's the risk?

There's an element of flippancy to the above, but it still goes to show there's a counterpoint out there

JRant · 29-04-2020 10:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Let's see what Friday brings but if that's the way it goes it'll be difficult for them to get people on their side again as it wont give clarity to businesses

He was even trying to fudge when the announcement would be, "it might be Friday but will definitely be at some stage over the weekend".
Just bloody well tell us and get on with it. He seems to revel in that sort of nonsense. Just like his "plan" for providing childminding to healthcare workers. He was waiting on a "report" and would definitely have it actioned in a day or two. That was over a week ago and the actual plan was let them take paid leave to mind the children. Absolute genius, I don't know why we didn't think of that sooner but it clearly needed top men to write a report to come to such a groundbreaking solution.

road_high · 29-04-2020 10:22PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Yeah 7 weeks ago Ireland should have known the plan for a virus no country has yet to figure out.

Jesus what was your plan 7 weeks ago?

Not this wait and see ****e that’s for sure- there are people on massive salaries advising/modelling. But sure what’s another month of dole and demolished tax revenues?

Jinglejangle69 · 29-04-2020 10:24PM

road_high wrote: »

Not this wait and see ****e that’s for sure- there are people on massive salaries advising/modelling. But sure what’s another month of dole and demolished tax revenues?

Can you wait until friday?

Before you throw your toys out of the pram?

road_high · 29-04-2020 10:25PM

JRant wrote: »

He was even trying to fudge when the announcement would be, "it might be Friday but will definitely be at some stage over the weekend".
Just bloody well tell us and get on with it. He seems to revel in that sort of nonsense. Just like his "plan" for providing childminding to healthcare workers. He was waiting on a "report" and would definitely have it actioned in a day or two. That was over a week ago and the actual plan was let them take paid leave to mind the children. Absolute genius, I don't know why we didn't think of that sooner but it clearly needed top men to write a report to come to such a groundbreaking solution.

Not even bothered watching this plonker in all his glory. Pointless waste of time, the headlines or whatever will confirm whatever they’ve been drip feeding all week. Ie let’s bury our heads in sand for another blast and cross our fingers

Spanish Eyes · 29-04-2020 10:25PM

cython wrote: »

Well according to the Swiss under 10s aren't a risk (https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/swiss-elderly-told-they-can-hug-children-who-are-under-10-as-theyre-not-spreaders-39166432.html) and if you accept that from 10 upwards they can be "controlled", for want of a better term, then where's the risk?

There's an element of flippancy to the above, but it still goes to show there's a counterpoint out there

Just saying... it's a new world out there, and we have never had to stop kids from mingling and hugging granny and grandad and their cousins etc. up to now. It is all so nerve wracking in a lot of ways.

Granny and Grandad are a bit concerned too, but DO want to see the kids. Tough call, because I know the first thing the kids will do is barrel up to them and hug and kiss them and so on, it is tough for everyone. I don't know the solution either.

JRant · 29-04-2020 10:25PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Fair enough. I just wonder about the practicalities of a load of kids together visiting Gran and Grandad or whomever. They go nuts! It is lovely to see, but in these times I would be a tad concerned.

I understand where you are coming from but really this is the problem with the message that's been given to everyone for months now. We really shouldn't be worried about kids mingling or meeting family unless that relative had serious underlying issues.

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2020 10:26PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Can you wait until friday?

Before you throw your toys out of the pram?

To be fair enough of it has been leaked that we know what's coming unless they've already seen public reaction and decide to change the plan slightly it'll be what we know already I think

road_high · 29-04-2020 10:28PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Can you wait until friday?

Before you throw your toys out of the pram?

Don’t need to- here’s Leo’s master plan- “we’ll continue as we are and see if it reduces. And a few hero’s and capes thrown in.”
He’s probably practicing the script as we speak from the advisors and PR agents. Few touch ups from the last one and he’s away. And the next one....

munsterlegend · 29-04-2020 10:29PM

JRant wrote: »

He was even trying to fudge when the announcement would be, "it might be Friday but will definitely be at some stage over the weekend".
Just bloody well tell us and get on with it. He seems to revel in that sort of nonsense. Just like his "plan" for providing childminding to healthcare workers. He was waiting on a "report" and would definitely have it actioned in a day or two. That was over a week ago and the actual plan was let them take paid leave to mind the children. Absolute genius, I don't know why we didn't think of that sooner but it clearly needed top men to write a report to come to such a groundbreaking solution.

Totally agree re the childcare for the healthcare workers. All kinds of promises but no delivery.

Mickla · 29-04-2020 10:29PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Don't some public sector workers still get a "productivity allowance" if they started before a certain time?

Never heard of "productivity allowance" in the civil service and I worked in a good few departments. Do you have experience of working in the public sector and if so what area has this?

SusieBlue · 29-04-2020 10:30PM

showpony1 wrote: »

Ok - So you are totally changing the context of saying the Dog groomers need to be opened as an "essential service" from what you actually said in your post Sue. You are now saying this is due to an old woman dying trying to lift her sick dog into the bath - when your whole previous post was about your poor doggo needing to have to wear a pony tail cause his hair was in his eyes. that was the only "legitimate concern" in your whole previous post.

I also said my dog was overheating due to the weight of his heavy coat & cannot be walked properly because of this, which in my opinion is a reasonable, legitimate concern as an animal owner.
I said I was happy that TD’s are pleading with the government to open dog groomers as they are an essential service for a lot of people.

You then took the piss out of me, mocking me saying I just wanted to get my dog a haircut so I gave you another example of an elderly woman who has injured herself and is now in hospital after an accident that occurred when she was trying to bathe her dog.
You know, to further prove my point that animal groomers are in fact an essential service.

Even your choice of language of ‘poor doggo’ just shows you are still sneering and trivialising my point which is quite pathetic but totally transparent to anyone reading these posts.
Whatever, clearly you think it’s funny and irrelevant and that’s you’re prerogative but this isn’t all about you and this is an essential, necessary service that people are struggling without.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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