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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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JRant

NIMAN wrote: »

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

Ah Jaysus, don't be mentioning kids meeting relatives. Sure kids are responsible for around 117% of all COVID cases. I hear they only have to look at someone and they get it.

All joking aside, my 2 are young and at the first opportunity they'll be visiting their cousins. They miss their relatives as much as older people. In many ways it's worse for them because they can't actually grasp the reason why.

iamwhoiam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK, OK, settle down. I get what you are saying, but the instinct of kids is to mingle and play. And they may have younger siblings also.

It's a tough call really, since they have so much energy to run off, and unless you have them in reins off they will go, inevitable.

Then you leave again . I can’t see the problem really . Older kids will sit very still if it means they get to see grandparents again in my opinion

stephenjmcd

JRant wrote: »

Vintage Leo speak so.
We hit a target, then he'll come out and say, oh we need to be at that level for a week minimum. The fudging opportunities are endless and exactly the type of scenario he loves. He strikes me as someone who needs a focus group to tell him what cereal to eat in the morning.

Let's see what Friday brings but if that's the way it goes it'll be difficult for them to get people on their side again as it wont give clarity to businesses

Stark

Or I could go and visit my parents who live > 2km away. At the moment they're visiting my grandmother who does live close to them and being sensible about it by sitting a few metres away in the garden as people do when you let them know the how/why of what you're trying to achieve and allow them to act accordingly. But I can't do the same because of this ridiculous rule brought in just because Glendalough was busy.

Spanish Eyes

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Of course they would . Older kids , 8, 9 10 are well able to sit for a while and chat
Not talking toddlers here but not all kids are toddlers !

OK, OK, settle down. I get what you are saying, but the instinct of kids is to mingle and play. And they may have younger siblings also.

It's a tough call really, since they have so much energy to run off, and unless you have them in reins off they will go, inevitable.

JRant

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Vintage Leo speak so.
We hit a target, then he'll come out and say, oh we need to be at that level for a week minimum. The fudging opportunities are endless and exactly the type of scenario he loves. He strikes me as someone who needs a focus group to tell him what cereal to eat in the morning.

iamwhoiam

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Kids won't sit down for more than a minute. But whatever.

Of course they would . Older kids , 8, 9 10 are well able to sit for a while and chat
Not talking toddlers here but not all kids are toddlers !

showpony1

SusieBlue wrote: »

Another fine example of people trivialising & sneering at other people’s legitimate concerns & worries.
Yeah you’re right, I want lockdown ended purely so I can get my dog a few highlights, I’ll get my nails done and then we’ll probably stop at the pub for a few scoops on our way home :rolleyes:

There was an article in my local paper this week about an elderly women who fell and hurt her hip and is now in hospital, where she is at a high risk of contracting the virus.
She injured herself trying to lift her dog into the bath. Her dog has dermatitis and requires a weekly medicated bath to treat his condition.
Her daughter, who gave the interview to the newspaper, said this was a service usually provided by her dog groomer but as they were closed & she was cocooning she was trying to do it herself.
She won’t be the first or last case of something like that happening. And regardless, if vets are allowed to open then so should groomers.
One is as necessary as the other, which you would understand if you had any experience with animals who have skin conditions or who require regular care.
Now do you see why this is an essential service?

Ok - So you are totally changing the context of saying the Dog groomers need to be opened as an "essential service" from what you actually said in your post Sue. You are now saying this is due to an old woman dying trying to lift her sick dog into the bath - when your whole previous post was about your poor doggo needing to have to wear a pony tail cause his hair was in his eyes. that was the only "legitimate concern" in your whole previous post.

Spanish Eyes

NIMAN wrote: »

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

Kids won't sit down for more than a minute. But whatever.

NIMAN

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I actually think if they allowed visits to sit in a garden with good social distancing and encouraged 3 metres between us that people would in fact adhere to it
If they don’t give an inch on Tuesday they run the risk of people doing exactly as they please
By giving a little more people will stick to it and by engaging with the public and driving home the distancing they will get more on board and less breaking the rules

A meet with a friend or family within a certain range in the garden with 3 metres between would calm a lot of the uneasy public. I see it all around me people getting fed up with the lack of any tiny chink of relief .

This would be massive.

It would mean that the kids could go visit their cousins, even just sitting on the same lawn maybe 5 metres apart would be huge for them.

cython

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True I suppose

Still smacks of not having an actual plan that people can follow but I'll wait for the detail

Agreed. I'd honestly be shocked if we got anything resembling a benchmark or measurable frame of reference. And even if it were given, I've no reason to believe that it won't be ignored down the line in favour of something more convenient to them anyway.

iamwhoiam

I actually think if they allowed visits to sit in a garden with good social distancing and encouraged 3 metres between us that people would in fact adhere to it
If they don’t give an inch on Tuesday they run the risk of people doing exactly as they please
By giving a little more people will stick to it and by engaging with the public and driving home the distancing they will get more on board and less breaking the rules

A meet with a friend or family within a certain range in the garden with 3 metres between would calm a lot of the uneasy public. I see it all around me people getting fed up with the lack of any tiny chink of relief .

KrustyUCC

cython wrote: »

To be fair, if they actually established a concrete frame of reference for any of the metrics in that manner (the exception maybe being when they said we needed the growth rate under 5% - It's now under 2.....) it would be more of a commitment than any of the recent vague announcements.

True I suppose

Still smacks of not having an actual plan that people can follow but I'll wait for the detail

easypazz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Method to fudge it I suppose.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Spencer Brown wrote: »

You say this but realistically what are they going to do other than visit family and friends? Everything will remain shut.

Well, visiting family and friends for a start.

And going further than 2km to do it.

cython

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Back to that "at an appropriate time" crack

Some plan that is

That really won't go down well with people

To be fair, if they actually established a concrete frame of reference for any of the metrics in that manner (the exception maybe being when they said we needed the growth rate under 5% - It's now under 2.....) it would be more of a commitment than any of the recent vague announcements.

KrustyUCC

Exactly

They will lose a lot of public support by going down that road

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Back to that "at an appropriate time" crack

Some plan that is

That really won't go down well with people

Yeah that wont get buy in if it's what turns out to be the case. Could see people just deciding to go and visit family for a start

Spencer Brown

giveitholly wrote: »

If that is the case then I can see a lot of people flouting the restrictions because the government won't be upfront with the people and at least give them some sort of a timeline

You say this but realistically what are they going to do other than visit family and friends? Everything will remain shut.

giveitholly

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

If that is the case then I can see a lot of people flouting the restrictions because the government won't be upfront with the people and at least give them some sort of a timeline

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Back to that "at an appropriate time" crack

Some plan that is

That really won't go down well with people

robbiezero

Rodin wrote: »

But wait...
There's essential dog grooming to be done....

Really nasty post aimed at someone who is struggling.

stephenjmcd

Rte reporting earlier that we wont see any dates associated with Fridays expected announcement, rather clinical phases associated with each phase, cases under x, ICU under Y etc.

Dickie10

wjat is the story with gatherings of 5000? like sept 1st isint that faraway. i would imagine there will be a month of up to 2500 before this in August? thats GAA club games and small race meeting well within reach. i would say restaurunts and the like with under 100 people will be well up and running by july at that rate. surely not going to let over 5000 people gather in september out of nowhere

JRant

https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/

Came across an interesting article today. The similarities are striking yet the reaction completely different.

JRant

walshb wrote: »

Is it just me or is it bonkers silly the CMO every day sayi g the same thing about restrictions staying or being eased? Same question and answere every fooking day..

Why is he even answering. It should be a stock answer of "that's for the government to decide". He's the CMO, not the ruler of this country although maybe he's starting to believe he might actually be.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

Interesting idea being proposed in New York - close off streets, and allow restaurants to serve guests in the open air.

It's ideas like this that we need here too, and businesses should be pushing for.

Lithuania doing the same thing.

I like it. Could be cold but potentially exciting. Just need to find a load of massive tarpaulins.
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/restaurants-reopen-al-fresco-dining-closed-streets-coronavirus

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NegativeCreep wrote: »

What does a license have to do with anything? Whatever about easing restriction (which I’m in favour of) it would be ridiculous to have 35000 Americans come here this side of the new year imo

Licensing etc is irrelevant I think. Relaxation of restrictions will likely be accompanied by a quarantine upon arrival, maybe not for travellers from the EU or the Common Travel Area, but certainly from the Americas, Asia or Africa. So no chance 35000 people will be travelling

stephenjmcd

NegativeCreep wrote: »

What does a license have to do with anything? Whatever about easing restriction (which I’m in favour of) it would be ridiculous to have 35000 Americans come here this side of the new year imo

I agree but it's a way in to ask the question with an example and see what answer they get.

stephenjmcd

easypazz wrote: »

Gathering of 5000 banned until September or just licenses?

Just events that need a licence. Sporting events in stadiums dont need licences