Relaxation of restrictions Part II

gozunda · 27-04-2020 11:51PM

lord quackinton wrote: »

Do not trust the lockdown merchants on here
They enjoy this lockdown, the economic fallout does not affect them
They are made up primarily of Public sector employees mainly teachers
These people do not want to go back to work and are being paid full whack to sit on their bottom
These people would sleep on the floor if there was work in the bed
Public sector employees genuinely believe there is something special about them
You wait, as these people are told go back they will kick up a stink especially teachers

"Lockdown merchants"?

Tbh your comment seems to be the result of some highly overactive if fairly bizarre imaginings if nothing else.

I really hope you are getting paid to write such rubbish ...

kippy · 27-04-2020 11:51PM

ixoy wrote: »

So here's one - for those of us who can't drive, how are we going to learn to drive as we'd need to be in close proximity to a professional instructor? There's going to be cases like this where social distancing cannot be done so there'll need to be plans to work around it.

There's a tonne of that kind of thing - apprenticeships are another one, as are a lot more including sports - professional and otherwise.
Prior to a vaccine -
Thats probably where testing both for the disease and antibodies, as well as contact tracing and fast turnaround of test results will most likely come into play but I'd suggest more in needed to be known about the virus before any of that happens.

NegativeCreep · 27-04-2020 11:52PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Well that settles that. You know people who made appointments and got hair cuts in barber shops?

Just had a look at Facebook marketplace for my area and 2 barbers offering a call out service. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility.

GazzaL · 27-04-2020 11:53PM

gozunda wrote: »

So you weren't all over the hospital? And you have no idea how staff and / or resources were being directed towards treating Covid-19 patients and away from other areas?

So what you're saying you were in AE (a few times?) And thats it? Doesn't seem like a very comprehensive survey to be fair.

A question: A re you a medical expert regarding your opinion about the virus? Why should I take any randomers opinion that "we need to live with it"?

How do you think thats going to work when flu season hits in or god forbid the fuking thing develops a nastier strain which starts killing kids or even young adults in large numbers.

Imho we simply do not have the information available to us to make such overarching blanket statements at this point The alternative - I hear you say? I have no freaking idea. Let's hope there is one where this doesnt turn into a runaway pandemic which will cripple people and economies in equal measure.

Look, you've lost the argument, it's even been on RTE News many times that hospitals are deserted and everyone's worried that people aren't seeking help when they need it.

We can't live in perpetual fear. We can't expect zero risk of anything bad ever happening, or we'd never cross the road. It is a fact that until a vaccine is developed, we will have to live with it. Even if you only leave your house once a week to go shopping, you will have to live with it.

Penfailed · 27-04-2020 11:53PM

The Belly wrote: »

And how will they manage that?

You said that if it goes through the summer there won't be a pub left. I replied to say there will. How will they manage? I'm not sure. I'll guarantee that there will be pubs left though. Imagine a town with five pubs. At least one pub will reopen because the demand will be there. Doomsday predictions aren't helping anyone.

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 11:54PM

kippy wrote: »

Look,
if you cannot see the massive differences between a pub and a shop/supermarket I'm not going to be able to explain it to you, nor is anyone else.

I don't need it explained to me thanks. His point was theres another setting where people aren't keeping 2m distance, which in some they aren't.

kippy · 27-04-2020 11:54PM

easypazz wrote: »

2 metre distancing on trains, darts, buses, taxi, schools?

No chance.

Yep - in as much as possible people will have to do their best to keep up with physical distancing.

If there's no chance of it happening in certain areas/locations/jobs then the risk will need to be mitigated (which is what has happened over the past 4-6 weeks)

Again, I feel sad that I have to explain this.

Benimar · 27-04-2020 11:54PM

easypazz wrote: »

Why not close all off licences, including supermarket ones?

Imagine the uproar from the ‘I’ll be in the pub on June 1st’ gang if they did!

Tandey · 27-04-2020 11:54PM

The Belly wrote: »

If it goes through the summer there wont be a pub left

They all may get the finger out and start offering a pint takeaway service.

Lord Trollington · 27-04-2020 11:56PM

Arghus wrote: »

The doctor on Claire Byrne summed it up quite well.

The schools closed on March 12th, when we had 70 confirmed cases and 1 death. And there was a high degree of compliance with the measures across society.

Despite that we've still had 20,000 infections and over 1100 deaths - and that's with all our efforts.

How can they even be talking about lifting restrictions?

So should we shut up shop for 2 years until the vaccine that may never actually come arrives .

People need to get real here. This virus is going no where. We could lockdown the whole country for months forcing people to stay in their house and it will still be around.

Lord Trollington · 27-04-2020 11:57PM

Tandey wrote: »

They all may get the finger out and start offering a pint takeaway service.

A pint take away service you say...Is n't there someone already offering that called an off licence.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 27-04-2020 11:58PM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

So should we shut up shop for 2 years until the vaccine that may never actually come arrives .

People need to get real here. This virus is going no where. We could lockdown the whole country for months forcing people to stay in their house and it will still be around.

Why though? Why can't each county ban international travel and any suppliers that do need to travel are tested on entry and exit? Each country should eradicate it first. That would surely be quicker than a vaccine

FintanMcluskey · 27-04-2020 11:58PM

Arghus wrote: »

The doctor on Claire Byrne summed it up quite well.

The schools closed on March 12th, when we had 70 confirmed cases and 1 death. And there was a high degree of compliance with the measures across society.

Despite that we've still had 20,000 infections and over 1100 deaths - and that's with all our efforts.

How can they even be talking about lifting restrictions?

Because absolutely no evidence exists to suggest 1 death was prevented in this country using the current restrictions, implemented under an approach used in countries with vastly differing demography

easypazz · 27-04-2020 11:59PM

kippy wrote: »

Yep - in as much as possible people will have to do their best to keep up with physical distancing.

If there's no chance of it happening in certain areas/locations/jobs then the risk will need to be mitigated (which is what has happened over the past 4-6 weeks)

Again, I feel sad that I have to explain this.

Unworkable.

Take school buses, double the number of buses? Never going to happen.

Pissing rain and train pulls up? Everybody will pile in.

Abolish rugby, because 16 lads in a scrum? Never going to happen.

Close childrens playgrounds forever?

Creches?

The list goes on and on.

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2020 12:00AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Because absolutely no evidence exists to suggest 1 death was prevented in this country using the current restrictions, implemented under an approach used in countries with vastly differing demography

The sad thing is despite all of the restrictions on the public, half of our deaths occurred in long term care settings or nursing homes. That's a failure by the department of health and the HSE not on the restrictions of the general population.

Tandey · 28-04-2020 12:00AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Will it be delivery or drive-thru? :pac:

Delivery at this stage, with the length my hair is growing I wouldn’t be able to see the drive-thu.

robbiezero · 28-04-2020 12:01AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

Any chance this horse**** can be given a rest.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-2km-limit-is-restriction-most-want-lifted-survey-finds-1.4238792

easypazz · 28-04-2020 12:01AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

A pint take away service you say...Is n't there someone already offering that called an off licence.

And after 1 pint you are over the limit to collect it.

ixoy · 28-04-2020 12:02AM

kippy wrote: »

Yep - in as much as possible people will have to do their best to keep up with physical distancing.

Impossible on public transport though. Not sure when you last got the DART but it was so packed at peak times that you couldn't always get on and that's utilising the entire fleet. We need some way of getting people back in and, since public transport can't facilitate social distancing, we need to either accept a level of risk or bring the idea of mandatory masks out there. Germany is doing this currently - why not Ireland?

The Belly · 28-04-2020 12:03AM

Penfailed wrote: »

You said that if it goes through the summer there won't be a pub left. I replied to say there will. How will they manage? I'm not sure. I'll guarantee that there will be pubs left though. Imagine a town with five pubs. At least one pub will reopen because the demand will be there. Doomsday predictions aren't helping anyone.

Ok but 4 have closed that means there is one might survive but 4 that went to the wall. Why because the vast majority of that town is unemployed. Its not doomsday its a fact and it has all happended before.

kippy · 28-04-2020 12:03AM

Lord Trollington wrote: »

So should we shut up shop for 2 years until the vaccine that may never actually come arrives .

People need to get real here. This virus is going no where. We could lockdown the whole country for months forcing people to stay in their house and it will still be around.

Or we could manage the risks and buy some time to:
1.Learn more about the virus globally.
2.Ensure the numbers getting the virus are manageable based on the countries resources.

combat14 · 28-04-2020 12:03AM

Penfailed wrote: »

You said that if it goes through the summer there won't be a pub left. I replied to say there will. How will they manage? I'm not sure. I'll guarantee that there will be pubs left though. Imagine a town with five pubs. At least one pub will reopen because the demand will be there. Doomsday predictions aren't helping anyone.

so 80% business rate failure is not doomsday..

lord quackinton · 28-04-2020 12:05AM

Off licences need to be kept open
Where would we get our lunchtime tins from
3 things I will miss when the lockdown goes are
no speed vans and
no drink driving tests and
No more free street parking

Tandey · 28-04-2020 12:06AM

ixoy wrote: »

So here's one - for those of us who can't drive, how are we going to learn to drive as we'd need to be in close proximity to a professional instructor? There's going to be cases like this where social distancing cannot be done so there'll need to be plans to work around it.

Perspex/glass divider between shotgun and driver seat.

gozunda · 28-04-2020 12:06AM

GazzaL wrote: »

Look, you've lost the argument, it's even been on RTE News many times that hospitals are deserted and everyone's worried that people aren't seeking help when they need it.We can't live in perpetual fear. We can't expect zero risk of anything bad ever happening, or we'd never cross the road. It is a fact that until a vaccine is developed, we will have to live with it. Even if you only leave your house once a week to go shopping, you will have to live with it.

Lol. You haven't presented an argument btw! But because you say so? Sure thing boss!

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Nope you need to put down the shovel and walk away from the large hole youve just dug for yourself with your personal anecdotes of your 'few' visits to A&E before you fall in.

Yes staff and resources are being diverted away from other areas to provide these resources to the treatment of Covid patients. So of course other areas of hospitals are not seeing the same numbers. Also people are staying away themselves. How freekin hard is that to figure out? Seriously?

Seems like some others simply trying to make political milage out of the current situation imho.

Who is living in 'perpetual fear? Thats rampant hyperbole for sure. Currently the pandemic is here 2 months. The country is dealing with it. And most people realise that.

Theres just an apparent few who seem to endlessly blather on making pronouncements they are not qualified to make.

Overall the thread stinks of party political point scoring and little else at this stage. Some need to get a grip.

Gamer Bhoy 89 · 28-04-2020 12:06AM

gozunda wrote: »

"Lockdown merchants"?

Tbh your comment seems to be the result of some highly overactive if fairly bizarre imaginings if nothing else.

I really hope you are getting paid to write such rubbish ...

If he had a compelling argument he wouldn't be taking 40+ minutes to respond. Drop and go.

[edit] he did come back, but begged for off licenses to be open.

kippy · 28-04-2020 12:06AM

ixoy wrote: »

Impossible on public transport though. Not sure when you last got the DART but it was so packed at peak times that you couldn't always get on and that's utilising the entire fleet. We need some way of getting people back in and, since public transport can't facilitate social distancing, we need to either accept a level of risk or bring the idea of mandatory masks out there. Germany is doing this currently - why not Ireland?

Agreed.
Reduce the risks by doing what it takes to reduce numbers on Public transport and improve conditions for those that are taking public transport.
1. Work from home where possible. A number of companies have told their employees to WFH indefinetly.
2. Stagger shifts/work patterns.
3. Agreed on the masks. I am assuming the issue is currently with supply and training. This is something that should be changed.

easypazz · 28-04-2020 12:11AM

Tandey wrote: »

Perspex/glass divider between shotgun and driver seat.

Cars would need to be totally redesigned.

That could pose a massive safety hazard if just retrofitted.

The Belly · 28-04-2020 12:11AM

kippy wrote: »

Agreed.
Reduce the risks by doing what it takes to reduce numbers on Public transport and improve conditions for those that are taking public transport.
1. Work from home where possible. A number of companies have told their employees to WFH indefinetly.
2. Stagger shifts/work patterns.
3. Agreed on the masks. I am assuming the issue is currently with supply and training. This is something that should be changed.

Perfect cant wait to see the time this takes when the next budget comes around and we get a new USC for the ones left with an income. Should work as smoothly as the supply of PPE gear.

kippy · 28-04-2020 12:12AM

easypazz wrote: »

Unworkable.

Take school buses, double the number of buses? Never going to happen.

Pissing rain and train pulls up? Everybody will pile in.

Abolish rugby, because 16 lads in a scrum? Never going to happen.

Close childrens playgrounds forever?

Creches?

The list goes on and on.

If its unworkable and we do nothing to reduce the risks to everyone then literally many thousands more will die
What we have been doing for the past number of weeks is managing the risks and reducing those high risk activities to buy time to do the things I've mentioned earlier.
And again, in the next few months you'll see restrictions lifted based on risk profile and mitigation options which may include testing for the disease as well as antibodies at that time.

But there's absolutely zero point sayin "look at all these situations where we cannot do anything about 2 meter distancing" sure lets just carry on as normal or else we wouldn't have introduced anything at all for the past 6 weeks.

Again, I feel sad that this all has to be pointed out.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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