Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Kermit.de.frog

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

gozunda

easypazz wrote: »

Do you think the economy is doing fine through all of this?

Question for you: How do you think other countries economies are doing or are you suggesting that Ireland is the only country with restrictions?

JRant

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

We don’t have a lockdown. We have restrictions. What you say has some kind of merit but relax everything now and we could have lots of new cases / deaths from the virus plus all the economic damage and resulting deaths you describe.

Of course we do. Businesses were forcibly closed by the government. You can't travel more than 2km unless it's an essential journey. The Garda were given extraordinary powers to detain and remove people at will. By any definition in our normal everyday lie this is absolutely a lockdown.

Stheno

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Thanks I didn’t hear him . Feargal Bowers said it was one of the conditions along with numbers dropping etc

Tony Holohan has repeatedly said testing needs to be significantly ramped up to about 100k a week

They did 35k last week and wont be up to 100k for a few weeks

pjohnson

GazzaL wrote: »

No contradictions at all PJ. It is a lockdown, there are very restrictive measures in place (unless you're a traveller or from the 6 counties or abroad). Most businesses are not "making money", the volume of business that's being done isn't profitable, they're just trying to survive and generate some cash to help pay rent, rates, electricity, suppliers, etc. and look after their customers. The vast majority of people have complied with restrictions, although more and more people are starting to bend the rules. I think you probably understood this before you asked those questions.

Ah so its just this post WAS just utter nonsense.

GazzaL wrote: »

You can get most things on the quiet. The pro-lockdown minority seemingly have no awareness of what's going on outside their homes in the real world.

That makes sense.

easypazz

kippy wrote: »

I dont think so.
Restrictions will be unwound over the next 6-12 months. There are a variety of restrictions in place, that will be unwound on a phased basis.
We already know gatherings of over 5000 people wont be happening till the end of August at the earliest. That restriction is at least 5 months away from being unwound.
Physical distancing of 2 meters isn't going to be advised against dropping any time in the next 6-12 months and that alone will have an impact on may other restrictions currently happening.


So yea, some restrictions will be relaxed from next week, but others will be unwound slowly and again depending on a number of variables.

If you can't see this coming you're gonna find it much more difficult to accept.

I expect a roadmap for most things to resume, pubs, hair salons etc., to open in about 6 weeks.

Restrictions like distancing, reduced capacity etc. to continue, until whenever.

But once most things can still be accessed I won't mind.

Stark

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

It's not about pints for most people.

Most people just want basic freedoms like being able to travel more than 2km from home, see family and friends, attend "non emergency" medical/dental appointments and the like. Things we should have been able to do by this time if the powers that be had their **** together.

Kermit.de.frog

easypazz wrote: »

I expect a roadmap for most things to resume, pubs, hair salons etc., to open in about 6 weeks.

I expect you are going to be seriously disappointed!

timmy_mallet

gozunda wrote: »

So you've been in one of "busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time. We've gone from being overrun to being empty "?

So you know this cos you were all over the hospital several times - even though hospital access is being restricted? Covid wards especially so.

You're not that woman turning up outside hospitals making mad conspiracy claims and posting about it on Twitter are you?

I mean, you dont have to take the posters word for it, would the CMOs be enough to convince you when he said the same?

timmy_mallet

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I expect you are going to be seriously disappointed!

3 months since the beginning of the restrictions, given their models and previous pandemic distancing measures, that date to start trialling some of those opening is about right.

kippy

easypazz wrote: »

I expect a roadmap for most things to resume, pubs, hair salons etc., to open in about 6 weeks.

Restrictions like distancing, reduced capacity etc. to continue, until whenever.

But once most things can still be accessed I won't mind.

SO you dont think I've lost my mind when I say "restrictions will be eased over the next 6-12 months?


There's ZERO chance, by the way, that pubs will be own six weeks from now.

stephenjmcd

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

Why do you automatically assume its about pints.??

I'd like to see some family that I've now not been able to see in a long time, working from home isn't an ideal solution for me, don't have the space to function correctly so I'd like to get back to the office 1 or 2 days a week. I've also non emergency appointments to have, but the longer they get put off the more urgent they do become.

As much as I'd like to be able to go for a pint I know that's 2 or 3 months away but I'd like to be able to do small things.

statesaver

easypazz wrote: »

Pubs are opening in Italy on June 1st.

No reason for us not to open pubs in six weeks.

What difference would working in a pub or not make?

Still not going to happen here.

"The reopening is allowed on condition that all companies involved strictly respect security protocols in the workplace,"

timmy_mallet

Stark wrote: »

It's not about pints for most people.

Most people just want basic freedoms like being able to travel more than 2km from home, see family and friends, attend "non emergency" medical/dental appointments and the like. Things we should have been able to do by this time if the powers that be had their **** together.

Yes, very few are begging for packed pubs, yet it seems to be the point being raised consistently

GazzaL

gozunda wrote: »

So you've been in one of "busiest hospitals in the country a few times since this all started and the place was deserted every time. We've gone from being overrun to being empty "?

So you know this cos you were all over the hospital - even though hospital access is being restricted? Covid wards especially so.

You're not that woman turning up outside hospitals making mad conspiracy claims and posting about it on Twitter are you?

I was in what is normally one of the most overcrowded A&Es, it was deserted. All the doctors and nurses I was chatting to said the same thing. It's actually a great time to go there because you won't be facing the usual long waiting times. You further confirm my earlier post that the pro-lockdown minority seemingly have no awareness of what's going on outside their homes in the real world.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

The virus isn't going to disappear if we stay in lockdown for a "few more weeks". We need to live with it and get on with our lives.

easypazz

statesaver wrote: »

Still not going to happen here.

"The reopening is allowed on condition that all companies involved strictly respect security protocols in the workplace,"

Why can pubs not open, like specific reasons?

FintanMcluskey

Stheno wrote: »

Tony Holohan has repeatedly said testing needs to be significantly ramped up to about 100k a week

They did 35k last week and wont be up to 100k for a few weeks

I can see this only as him buying more time. Its been a complete fiasco of criminal portportions. Why were the public made aware of the opening of test centres in Croke Park etc in March when Tony was completely aware they still would not have the capacity to execute that level of testing 2 months later?

kippy

easypazz wrote: »

Why can pubs not open, like specific reasons?

Health and Safety
Not possible to enforce 2 metre social distancing for staff or patrons.

GazzaL

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yes, very few are begging for packed pubs, yet it seems to be the point being raised consistently

The pro-lockdown people talk more about pubs than anyone else. They're a part of life sure, but when people talk about easing the lockdown, they do so because they want to see their family and friends, and they want to have jobs and businesses that allow them to provide a good life for them and their families.

easypazz

kippy wrote: »

SO you dont think I've lost my mind when I say "restrictions will be eased over the next 6-12 months?


There's ZERO chance, by the way, that pubs will be own six weeks from now.

Where did I say you lost your mind?

kippy

easypazz wrote: »

Where did I say you lost your mind?

Sorry, wasn't you that said it.
But, you don't think I've lost my mind - do you? (just for the record like)

stephenjmcd

kippy wrote: »

Health and Safety
Not possible to enforce 2 metre social distancing for staff or patrons.

Now I'm not disagreeing with you its difficult, but both VFI and LVA are in discussions with dept of health as to how they can implement government policy and looks to be clear engagement there. So it'll be interesting to see what comes out of those discussions

JRant

Stheno wrote: »

Tony Holohan has repeatedly said testing needs to be significantly ramped up to about 100k a week

They did 35k last week and wont be up to 100k for a few weeks

I have doubts we'll ever get to that level, nevermind in a few weeks. It's pie in the sky stuff. We can't just magic the lab scientist Ms out of tin air to manage that level of testing.

easypazz

kippy wrote: »

Health and Safety
Not possible to enforce 2 metre social distancing for staff or patrons.

Why will the 2 metre rule be set in stone for pubs in 6 weeks?

retro:electro

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If restrictions are removed and this goes through the population leading to a new tougher lock down regime what are the people so desperate for their pints now going to say then?

All for the sake of maybe a few more weeks?

Because if we have to reverse relaxations due to overwhelming of our infrastructure it won't be dealt with in weeks any more.

It will be months and like Spain and Italy you will need permission just to leave the house, allowed out once every 2 days for supplies.

It's a hell of a gamble to take. People could end up looking very foolish and pay a terrible price.

I don’t give a **** if I never saw the inside of a pub again. I want to be able to walk my dog in peace in a place that isn’t jam packed with everyone from my village, without the threat of a sanction. I want to be able to visit my sister without feeling a sense of shame, guilt or dread that I’ll be stopped and asked where I’m going. I want to be able to visit my mother’s grave and sit in peace for a half an hour but I can’t because the graveyard is closed. I repeat, I couldn’t give a shlt if I never saw the inside of a pub again.

All for the sake of a few more weeks? Tagging on another two weeks isn’t going to change the situation in the slightest bit. The virus will still be here and we will all still be here humming and hawing over what could possibly be lifted. We need to learn to live alongside this thing, and be sensible. Dragging the misery on for two more weeks isn’t going to change a damn thing only people are going to be even more miserable

The Belly

No service sector no tourism no retail etc. then no economy no jobs no tax no money to pay social supports and Mr Holohan's recommendations wont fly anymore.

easypazz

kippy wrote: »

Sorry, wasn't you that said it.
But, you don't think I've lost my mind - do you? (just for the record like)

Ah no, your mind seems fine.:D

kippy

easypazz wrote: »

Why will the 2 metre rule be set in stone for pubs in 6 weeks?

Because the 2 meter restriction/rule is a key factor in reducing the spread of the virus. It's not going away anytime soon and if people don't adhere to it, whatever restrictions are lifted, the numbers WILL increase again*
Assuming no vacine has been administered etc etc

deekster

timmy_mallet

kippy wrote: »

Health and Safety
Not possible to enforce 2 metre social distancing for staff or patrons.

Not possible in supermarkets either, but.