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FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    smurgen wrote: »
    I'm getting a good laugh off this. The FG fanboys questioning my educational background while a completely inept, disaster after disaster health minister who's also a college dropout,no education in the area he works in and zero experience gets their support :) couldn't make this stuff up.

    But your posting history shows no evidence of your 'masters' in economics
    All you ever post links wise are googled news articles usually days old and with one thing in common,Fine Gael hate
    The vast majority of your posts are like the one above,vacuous,ill informed rants
    The one actual report I saw you linking,you never discussed in any detail because it seems in my view,whoever suggested you post it hadn't filled you in on its contents properly, bar a crib line or two,probably because you wouldn't understand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It interesting to see some lads post. For any good actions regarding Covid 19 the government is following health officials advice, for any problems the governments in particular FG are at fault.

    The stats tell us the truth the government, health officials and the HSE are doing an amazing job. Yesterday our casualty rate was 2.5% of the UK figures and our total rate is about 3% of the UK figures. As well the UK may be hiding there true figures. We have about 7.5% population compared to the UK. The UK figures are climbing at nearly 25%/day constantly, the Irish figures seesaw a bit.

    Have they made mistakes yes but it is hard to keep an eye on everything when you have 20 balls in the air. As well the US is now playing hard ball, France had planes waiting to load face masks 300K of them and the Americans virtually hijacked them with a higher bid and the masks were virtually on the f@@king planes. So this is what we are up against.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It interesting to see some lads post. For any good actions regarding Covid 19 the government is following health officials advice, for any problems the governments in particular FG are at fault.

    The stats tell us the truth the government, health officials and the HSE are doing an amazing job. Yesterday our casualty rate was 2.5% of the UK figures and our total rate is about 3% of the UK figures. As well the UK may be hiding there true figures. We have about 7.5% population compared to the UK. The UK figures are climbing at nearly 25%/day constantly, the Irish figures seesaw a bit.

    Have they made mistakes yes but it is hard to keep an eye on everything when you have 20 balls in the air. As well the US is now playing hard ball, France had planes waiting to load face masks 300K of them and the Americans virtually hijacked them with a higher bid and the masks were virtually on the f@@king planes. So this is what we are up against.

    What are the comparisons/competition about?

    This can be scrutinised and commented on without the need to compare. If somebody dies needlessly here it is of no importance to them or their families how they might have fared elsewhere.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    What are the comparisons/competition about?

    This can be scrutinised and commented on without the need to compare. If somebody dies needlessly here it is of no importance to them or their families how they might have fared elsewhere.

    You should start a thread in forum requests so for a 'petulant fault finding in the middle of a public health crisis forum''
    You'd have less than the current 4 or 5 reading it but hey does that matter
    Treat it as an opportunity for a first thread there
    Maybe title the thread 'Not enough people petulantly complaining in the middle of a health crisis '


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    You should start a thread in forum requests so for a 'petulant fault finding in the middle of a public health crisis forum''
    You'd have less than the current 4 or 5 reading it but hey does that matter
    Treat it as an opportunity for a first thread there
    Maybe title the thread 'Not enough people petulantly complaining in the middle of a health crisis '

    You ok?

    Wrong side of the bed? Not enough coffee? Too much vino last night?

    Take another run at that and try and make some sense? Because ****s knows what you are on about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    You ok?

    Wrong side of the bed? Not enough coffee? Too much vino last night?

    Take another run at that and try and make some sense? Because ****s knows what you are on about.

    Mirror mirror on the wall;)

    I'm saying you are petulantly complaining


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    It interesting to see some lads post. For any good actions regarding Covid 19 the government is following health officials advice, for any problems the governments in particular FG are at fault.

    The stats tell us the truth the government, health officials and the HSE are doing an amazing job. Yesterday our casualty rate was 2.5% of the UK figures and our total rate is about 3% of the UK figures. As well the UK may be hiding there true figures. We have about 7.5% population compared to the UK. The UK figures are climbing at nearly 25%/day constantly, the Irish figures seesaw a bit.

    Have they made mistakes yes but it is hard to keep an eye on everything when you have 20 balls in the air. As well the US is now playing hard ball, France had planes waiting to load face masks 300K of them and the Americans virtually hijacked them with a higher bid and the masks were virtually on the f@@king planes. So this is what we are up against.

    Don't be crowing too loudly about stats just yet, because no matter how much some cheerleaders on here try and dismiss it, or hand wave it away - it's been acknowledged at this stage by both govt and health officials that we are short on testing equipment, and there's thousands still waiting on their test results, and/or being tested to begin with.

    I fear that we're being underestimated by the figures, but hope we're not. my suspicion is that there are thousands more walking around undetected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What are the comparisons/competition about?

    This can be scrutinised and commented on without the need to compare. If somebody dies needlessly here it is of no importance to them or their families how they might have fared elsewhere.

    Because the stats tell us that those that are leading us through this crisis are doing an a good job to the best of there ability. Death is inevitable, there are two definates in this life death and taxes. Yes all deaths are important to those that are personally involved but for some it a blame game that is used to play on people emotions. But stats do not lie those that are leading us through this, government, health officials and HSE staff are doing an amazing job.

    But I point out again for any good actions regarding Covid 19 the government is following health officials advice, for any problems the governments in particular FG are at fault.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    McMurphy wrote: »

    I fear that we're being underestimated by the figures, but hope we're not. my suspicion is that there are thousands more walking around undetected.

    We are not under estimating icu admittances or deaths which are the 2 most indisputable measures versus other countries approaches especially our nearest neighbours

    We nervously await to what extent an inevitable surge has been made less worse


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Don't be crowing too loudly about stats just yet, because no matter how much some cheerleaders on here try and dismiss it, or hand wave it away - it's been acknowledged at this stage by both govt and health officials that we are short on testing equipment, and there's thousands still waiting on their test results, and/or being tested to begin with.

    I fear that we're being underestimated by the figures, but hope we're not. my suspicion is that there are thousands more walking around undetected.

    I agree that yes we are struggling with access to to testing equipment and PPE, I pointed out in my post the challenges which those leading us are up against. I pointed out what happened to the Frances's PPE. I am not crowing but pointing what is being done right. Yes there are many going around undetected but we have got out contact ratio down to an average of below 3 and there is plans to up testing as we try to get done within the country.

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because the stats tell us that those that are leading us through this crisis are doing an a good job to the best of there ability.

    That has been acknowledged by me anyhow.
    But they are not infallible and both FG and the HSE have made massive ****-ups prior to this.
    The protection racket going on here is mainly party political.

    There will be stats available on what they got wrong as well as on what they got right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    That has been acknowledged by me anyhow.
    But they are not infallible and both FG and the HSE have made massive ****-ups prior to this.
    The protection racket going on here is mainly party political.

    There will be stats available on what they got wrong as well as on what they got right.

    Rubbish

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Rubbish

    What is rubbish about it?

    You are trying to shut down/censor discussion as if criticising the government on a politics forum was treasonous.

    Or have you some other motive for answering 'rubbish'?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    joeguevara wrote: »
    I never actually new that.

    There have been very very few majority governments. I would guess 3 at most. All FF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    I agree that yes we are struggling with access to to testing equipment and PPE, I pointed out in my post the challenges which those leading us are up against. I pointed out what happened to the Frances's PPE. I am not crowing but pointing what is being done right. Yes there are many going around undetected but we have got out contact ratio down to an average of below 3 and there is plans to up testing as we try to get done within the country.
    Mortelaro wrote: »
    We are not under estimating icu admittances or deaths which are the 2 most indisputable measures versus other countries approaches especially our nearest neighbours

    We nervously await to what extent an inevitable surge has been made less worse



    Oh yeah I get that, and to be perfectly clear I'm not having a go at govt or those in health, my post is what it is, I honestly do fear that our figure's are grossly misrepresented at this stage, I suspect that there's thousands walking around undetected and spreading it, but I'm also wondering if there's many people dying of it, who had not been detected, and then the death not being officially recorded as covid 19 related?

    I am not completely au fait with how these things work, but I assume the above is a very possible scenario.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    That has been acknowledged by me anyhow.
    But they are not infallible and both FG and the HSE have made massive ****-ups prior to this.
    The protection racket going on here is mainly party political.

    There will be stats available on what they got wrong as well as on what they got right.

    I thought you said FG are only following advice so can't be given any credit???

    Some flip flopping for the 150th time from yourself to suit your agenda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    What is rubbish about it?
    lots
    Not least the fact you're going on as if it isnt like walking out of the sea saying you aren't wet
    You are trying to shut down/censor discussion as if criticising the government on a politics forum was treasonous.

    Rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    lots

    Are you gonna tell us what is rubbish about it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Are you gonna tell us what is rubbish about it?

    I did


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »
    The world financial markets have seen their biggest bull period ever. And as a small open economy it's a case of a rising tide lifting all boats.

    So why is Ireland the top of the class when it comes to economic growth and reducing unemployment.

    Sure, if a rising tide lifted all boats, why were places like Greece and Italy (pre-Covid19) struggling economically? Germany was on the cusp of a recession before the virus hit.

    Rising tide lifts all boats, yet Irelands boat seemed be have been lifted way above anyone else in the EU.....
    Nothing at all to do with good government policy. Pure luck probably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I thought you said FG are only following advice so can't be given any credit???

    Some flip flopping for the 150th time from yourself to suit your agenda.

    I'm one of those who is livid that they are shutting down government and the role of the opposition to have oversight.

    As the health officials themselves have said...they give the advice and the government decides what to act on, in that advice.

    That means there has to be oversight and that also means there is potential for lapses, mistakes and ****-ups.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I'm one of those who is livid that they are shutting down government and the role of the opposition to have oversight.

    Whats the big deal Francie. SF shutdown Stormant for almost 3 years. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    markodaly wrote: »
    Whats the big deal Francie. SF shutdown Stormant for almost 3 years. :pac:

    :D:D:D

    Is there a parliament anywhere in Europe open at the moment?
    And should there be?
    No


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro



    As the health officials themselves have said...they give the advice and the government decides what to act on, in that advice.
    Where have NPHET stated the government haven't acted on any of their advice,to prompt such a statement from you?
    Or is this more of your fake news?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    markodaly wrote: »
    Whats the big deal Francie. SF shutdown Stormant for almost 3 years. :pac:

    Ah but sure its different up there.

    Power sharing or something.

    So that let's the shinners off the hook.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Where have NPHET stated the government haven't acted on any of their advice,to prompt such a statement from you?
    Or is this more of your fake news?

    What he just said is a blatent lie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Augme


    Comparisons with other nations are always interesting. It's like dumb and dumber. Comparing yourself to the person who is dumber than you still doesn't mean you aren't dumb yourself. It's easy to pick examples of countries who have handled this situation terribly as a way of trying to show we have done a good job. It's also easy to pick countries that have handled this much better to show we have done a very poor job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    What is rubbish about it?

    You are trying to shut down/censor discussion as if criticising the government on a politics forum was treasonous.

    Or have you some other motive for answering 'rubbish'?

    Because it is rubbish I will quote you


    ''both FG and the HSE have made massive ****-ups prior to this''

    So you are really following a political agenda, you are saying that HSE and front line staff are not doing there best. Are you upset with what front line staff had to cope Friday night some former so called retired freedom fighters putting gardai lives at risk. That is treason. Saying that HSE staff are not doing there best is treason IMO as well

    It was you choose the word

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Where have NPHET stated the government haven't acted on any of their advice,to prompt such a statement from you?
    Or is this more of your fake news?

    Correct, I would also like to see our dear Francie clarify this.


    Have the government not acted on any advice from the NPHET?
    If not, I am reporting the post as fake news and spreading falsehoods and fear.

    * I have seen other posts carded by the way for spreading falsehoods, so please be open and honest in your reply.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    markodaly wrote: »
    So why is Ireland the top of the class when it comes to economic growth and reducing unemployment.

    Sure, if a rising tide lifted all boats, why were places like Greece and Italy (pre-Covid19) struggling economically? Germany was on the cusp of a recession before the virus hit.

    Rising tide lifts all boats, yet Irelands boat seemed be have been lifted way above anyone else in the EU.....
    Nothing at all to do with good government policy. Pure luck probably.

    Name those good government policies please. Not the IMF/FF policies that FG carried on willingly despite the 'Not another red cent' and 'Frankfurt way' rhetoric...Enda did nothing new, zero. He froze and the EU made a laughing stock of him.

    The IMF, the people of Ireland and a lot of foreign multinationals got Ireland out of the last recession. FG were massively wasteful during that same period (e.g. despite their promises they created the biggest superquango of them all).

    The FG government did succeed in creating a massive national debt by not taking hard decisions (welfare state, shoite/wasteful/incompetent public services, corruption). That will come back to bite us when the budget deficit hits 20 billion+ this year.

    Did they get that expensive printer into the Dail yet? Has Dara Murphy handed back his fraudulent expenses yet?

    Gas that FG bots are already trying to create some revisionist history.

    You want a reminder of all the great FG policies since 2011?? I'll be your huckleberry.
    .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    So why is Ireland the top of the class when it comes to economic growth and reducing unemployment.

    Sure, if a rising tide lifted all boats, why were places like Greece and Italy (pre-Covid19) struggling economically? Germany was on the cusp of a recession before the virus hit.

    Rising tide lifts all boats, yet Irelands boat seemed be have been lifted way above anyone else in the EU.....
    Nothing at all to do with good government policy. Pure luck probably.

    If you follow by Trumpian measures of success we're doing good. However look into what's actually happening to people and it's not so rosey. We're working longer hours than most other countries and have a much higher proportion of low income workers than other countries. Easy to have everyone working when it's in low quality low pay work. The most recent OECD standard of living reports hint at this:

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/almost-half-irish-workers-just-21661918

    "The How’s Life report, which looks at all aspects of well-being from health and social connections to income and security, reveals that 47% of Irish employees are living close to the breadline compared with just 37% in the US, 32% in the UK and 22% in Norway.

    Almost 9% of the population in Ireland live in income poverty."

    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/countries/ireland/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Name those good government policies please. Not the IMF/FF policies that FG carried on willingly despite the 'Not another red cent' and 'Frankfurt way' rhetoric...Enda did nothing new, zero. He froze and the EU made a laughing stock of him.

    The IMF, the people of Ireland and a lot of foreign multinationals got Ireland out of the last recession. FG were massively wasteful during that same period (e.g. despite their promises they created the biggest superquango of them all).

    The FG government did succeed in creating a massive national debt by not taking hard decisions (welfare state, shoite/wasteful/incompetent public services, corruption). That will come back to bite us when the budget deficit hits 20 billion+ this year.

    Did they get that expensive printer into the Dail yet?

    Gas that FG bots are already trying to create some revisionist history.

    You want a reminder of all the great FG policies since 2011?? I'll be your huckleberry.
    .

    Revisionism at its finest.

    There was no FG government, there was a FG coalition with Labour and then another minority FG government with FF.

    Althought I do find it funny that people are now praising the IMF/EU for the economic policies 'they' imposed in Ireland which included Austerity, something SF et al have been fighting against all the time.
    Now, its grand! All forgiven. lol

    So it was a rising tide lifts all boats, then it was the IMF/EU that did all the work, and during this time SF spent its time being as anti-EU as UKIP! :D:D


    AP-Feb-2015-front-610.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro



    The FG government did succeed in creating a massive national debt by not taking hard decisions. That will come back to bite us when the budget deficit hits 20 billion+ this year.
    There'll be no bite back,Ireland's borrowing rates are amongst the lowest in the world which is in itself a good verdict from the financial markets
    Did they get that expensive printer into the Dail yet?

    Gas that FG bots are already trying to create some revisionist history.
    If you are going to talk about revision, best not mention the printer as FG had nothing to do with that
    It was the houses of the oireachtas commission who had responsibility for that
    Ironically one of its members is Sinn Féins the Pharma arent doing enough health spokesperson Louise o Reilly....


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    markodaly wrote: »
    Revisionism at its finest.

    There was no FG government, there was a FG coalition with Labour and then another minority FG government with FF.

    Althought I do find it funny that people are now praising the IMF/EU for the economic policies 'they' imposed in Ireland which included Austerity, something SF et al have been fighting against all the time.
    Now, its grand! All forgiven. lol

    So it was a rising tide lifts all boats, then it was the IMF/EU that did all the work, and during this time SF spent its time being as anti-EU as UKIP! :D:D

    How is this waffle any response for my detailed post. Did you name those policies?

    Listen carefully kiddo, I voted for FG for 20+ years including 2011 and 2016 so don't try that SF crap on me.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    There'll be no bite back,Ireland's borrowing rates are amongst the lowest in the world which is in itself a good verdict from the financial markets

    Oh right....and you don't think that could possibly change???? In a global recession???? What were the borrowing rates in 2012 for example?

    20+ billion deficit on top of a 225bn national debt in 1 year....Put 2 and 2 together chief. Watch and learn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    smurgen wrote: »

    From your links.
    It’s not all bad news as Ireland was one of 10 countries where life satisfaction rose by 5% or more.
    In general, Irish people are more satisfied with their lives than the OECD average. When asked to rate their general satisfaction with life on a scale from 0 to 10, Irish people gave it a 7.0 grade on average, higher than the OECD average of 6.5.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Ireland is ranked 3rd in the world under the HDI index. Not bad considering FG do **** all. :D:D:D
    Sure its all luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly



    Listen carefully kiddo, I voted for FG for 20+ years including 2011 and 2016 so don't try that SF crap on me.

    Ah, another 'I never voted for SF in my life', 'ex - FG voter' poster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Oh right....and you don't think that could possibly change????

    20 billion deficit on top of a 200bn national debt....Put 2 and 2 together chief. Watch and learn.

    Might be the case if the whole world wasnt doing the same in relation to coffid 19
    So yeah I don't think it will change


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    markodaly wrote: »
    Ah, another 'I never voted for SF in my life', 'ex - FG voter' poster.

    Ask around, I think you will find it's true. Pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    markodaly wrote: »
    From your links.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Ireland is ranked 3rd in the world under the HDI index. Not bad considering FG do **** all. :D:D:D
    Sure its all luck.

    You have to remember the Shinners deal with a different clientele

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,330 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You have to remember the Shinners deal with a different clientele

    The can pay, but wont pay clientele? :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    markodaly wrote: »
    From your links.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Ireland is ranked 3rd in the world under the HDI index. Not bad considering FG do **** all. :D:D:D
    Sure its all luck.

    I'm not surprised he never read the content behind those links ,that's been the norm in the fake news moanfest 'you're a finnerbot' posts


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    markodaly wrote: »
    From your links.





    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    Ireland is ranked 3rd in the world under the HDI index. Not bad considering FG do **** all. :D:D:D
    Sure its all luck.

    There's good and bad in there as I mentioned in my post. You touted GDP and employment as a sign of success.incorrect. Tell us what exact FG policies have they enacted themselves that have contributed to this?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,051 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Because it is rubbish I will quote you


    ''both FG and the HSE have made massive ****-ups prior to this''

    If you can get the Shinners out of your headspace for a moment...this is absolutely true.


    So you are really following a political agenda, you are saying that HSE and front line staff are not doing there best.
    Well, YES. Scroll abck and i have commented on where I think the messed up. Allowing the Italian mess - Testing and getting results to people. FG's addiction to PR stunts. etc.
    Are you upset with what front line staff had to cope Friday night some former so called retired freedom fighters putting gardai lives at risk. That is treason.
    I am responsible for the incidence of criminality? What the hell????
    Saying that HSE staff are not doing there best is treason IMO as well

    It was you choose the word

    So you would stand by and allow people to mess up without opening your mouth to criticise them?

    Where you in HSE management before this crisis perhaps?

    I have no issues with 'front line staff' and quote myself from earlier here:

    'We can see that if the HSE is properly resourced and tasked how good it can be'.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Might be the case if the whole world wasnt doing the same in relation to coffid 19
    So yeah I don't think it will change

    It will change. Guaranteed.

    Our economy is utterly dependent on the global economy. For example 11.2 million tourists in 2019....what will 2020 bring??

    Our GDP will shrink fast now and will go back to being one of the highest Debt-GDP ratios in the EU (100%+ as it was in 2011-2014).

    The countries with the best Debt:GDP ratios in 2021 will get the best borrowing rates. That will not be us.

    The national debt contains 64 billion of private banking losses not including the interest to service that private debt. At least Enda got us some favours on being the best pupil in the class...Oh wait, he didn't. Not another red cent...

    The gas thing is that in my original rant post, the only thing you could defend was the bloody 2m printer :D:D

    Now where is MarkO 'Everyone who criticises FG is a Shinner' Daly with those Fine Gael policies that revived the economy? So naïve.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    Might be the case if the whole world wasnt doing the same in relation to coffid 19
    So yeah I don't think it will change

    200 BN deficit is over coffid now ya?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    smurgen wrote: »
    200 BN deficit is over coffid now ya?

    What was our borrowing rate and market managers opinions of our bonds pre coffid?
    I dont know why I'm asking because you don't know until you google


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    One tiny example of FG playing with optics, posing for pictures trying to take the praise for things and subsequently trying to distance themselves when begin to fall apart is summed up beautifully by the fiasco that is the Cork Even Center

    https://twitter.com/CorkEventCentre/status/766053302857506817?s=19


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    What was our borrowing rate and market managers opinions of our bonds pre coffid?
    I dont know why I'm asking because you don't know until you google

    Its a stupid question. See my post above which you chose to ignore. I know why.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    smurgen wrote: »
    One tiny example of FG playing with optics, posing for pictures trying to take the praise for things and subsequently trying to distance themselves when begin to fall apart is summed up beautifully by the fiasco that is the Cork Even Center

    https://twitter.com/CorkEventCentre/status/766053302857506817?s=19

    What has that got to do with this threads title or is it the case that you want your posts(across the entire of boards) to average 99.8% moaning instead of 99.79?


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