FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

McMurphy · 03-04-2020 2:44pm

Ballso wrote: »

I think in the midst of all this we can all agree that tan commemoration ****e they tried to pull was ****ing moronic. Absolute tone deaf morons.

Absolutely, and undoubtedly was largely responsible for them being leapfrogged by the shinners.

And don't forget, Charlie Flanagan still insists that it's deferred, not cancelled.

smurgen · 03-04-2020 2:47pm

Ballso wrote: »

Any kind of prudent financial management grounded in economic reality makes you a "Tory" to the free gaffs for everyone brigade.

Even the most chronically stupid & ignorant won't buy the shinnernomics nonsense with the scale of the economic crisis we are about to plunge into. Sinn Fein and their fantasyland promises are finished.

Wrong. if anything this crisis will show the right wing for what they are. There will be a massive change to economics after this away from the thin social nets being pushed by the likes of the Tories and the Trump admin. You've billion dollar companies in the U.S looking for bailouts after 1, week of downtime. Do you honestly think people will buy that?

McMurphy · 03-04-2020 2:48pm

landofthetree wrote: »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yyk06c0sXmw

I said the UK holds state commemorations for units of the British military, and Ireland doesn't - you post a link to the centenary celebrations of the Easter rising.

What am I missing?

smurgen · 03-04-2020 2:49pm

landofthetree wrote: »

SF said we could spent an extra 23billion a year by 2025.

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

smurgen · 03-04-2020 2:53pm

Ballso wrote: »

Any kind of prudent financial management grounded in economic reality makes you a "Tory" to the free gaffs for everyone brigade.

Even the most chronically stupid & ignorant won't buy the shinnernomics nonsense with the scale of the economic crisis we are about to plunge into. Sinn Fein and their fantasyland promises are finished.

Prudent financial management like the National Children's hospital going from 500m to 2, billion?
Quiet like the UK's HS2 rail plan going from 56 billion to 106 billion. Such mastery of economics!

Ballso · 03-04-2020 2:53pm

smurgen wrote: »

Wrong. if anything this crisis will show the right wing for what they are. There will be a massive change to economics after this away from the thin social nets being pushed by the likes of the Tories and the Trump admin. You've billion dollar companies in the U.S looking for bailouts after 1, week of downtime. Do you honestly think people will buy that?

Our welfare state is nothing like the Tories or the US one thankfully, it's much more generous as it should be. We will struggle to fund it now. That's not because people are evil right wingers, it's because of *reality*. SF can simply ignore reality and hurl from the ditch, the rest of us are bound by it unfortunately.

landofthetree · 03-04-2020 2:53pm

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

It's being borrowed in s national emergency.

It will have to be paid back. Meaning austerity in the future.

Ballso · 03-04-2020 2:54pm

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

This emergency spending will destroy our economy. SF wanted to do this as business as usual...

smurgen · 03-04-2020 2:56pm

landofthetree wrote: »

It's being borrowed in s national emergency.

It will have to be paid back. Meaning austerity in the future.

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

landofthetree · 03-04-2020 2:59pm

smurgen wrote: »

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

Boom period was under FF. Up to 2007.

smurgen · 03-04-2020 3:00pm

Ballso wrote: »

This emergency spending will destroy our economy. SF wanted to do this as business as usual...

FG tried to battle crisis after crisis using high cost measures such as emergency accommodation in hotels and HAP payments rather than building social housing. We still have the housing issues and will have less cashflow to support these payments to private individuals.what a terrific legacy they have.

Ballso · 03-04-2020 3:00pm

smurgen wrote: »

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

FG mismanaged the economy? Our economy was in rude health prior to this crisis with a budget surplus and full employment.

Can you imagine heading into this with the Venezuelan type economic situation Sinn Fein would bring in? Even the thought is terrifying.

SF need to go away and come back with their fantasy economics after the big boys have fixed the economy again.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 3:01pm

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

That's pure ignorance or just wilful sh1te

The EU commission has allowed all member states to borrow more than the 3% CBD limit as necessary for the duration of this health crisis
There is no Equivocation with pre covid 19

smurgen · 03-04-2020 3:07pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's pure ignorance or just wilful sh1te

The EU commission has allowed all member states to borrow more than the 3% CBD limit as necessary for the duration of this health crisis
There is no Equivocation with pre covid 19

Oh ya?is that why the EU commission called on them to up their spending?

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

smurgen · 03-04-2020 3:11pm

Ballso wrote: »

FG mismanaged the economy? Our economy was in rude health prior to this crisis with a budget surplus and full employment.

Can you imagine heading into this with the Venezuelan type economic situation Sinn Fein would bring in? Even the thought is terrifying.

SF need to go away and come back with their fantasy economics after the big boys have fixed the economy again.

FG done nothing to help the economy.this is evident. It was a global economic boom. The evidence for this will be when we enter recession and the FG clowns tell us there's nothing we can do with unemployment because it's a global recession.total gaslighting crap.

Idbatterim · 03-04-2020 3:13pm

FG were fortunate , that brexit applied the brakes to things in a way, like public service pay and hiking welfare again etc. It goes to show, when they have the money, it needs to be invested properly, pay down debt / go into a rainy day fund!

I really expected economic mismanagement to sink us again, who could have predicted a virus would do it!

Ballso · 03-04-2020 3:15pm

smurgen wrote: »

FG done nothing to help the economy.this is evident. It was a global economic boom. The evidence for this will be when we enter recession and the FG clowns tell us there's nothing we can do with unemployment because it's a global recession.total gaslighting crap.

So the increase from 15% to full employment is down to the global economy but the fallout from the upcoming crash will not be down to the global economy but to FG?

That's handy

Ballso · 03-04-2020 3:17pm

People are saying with a straight face that none of the economic improvements witnessed post crash in Ireland are attributable to the Irish government?

Really like?

smurgen · 03-04-2020 3:25pm

Ballso wrote: »

So the increase from 15% to full employment is down to the global economy but the fallout from the upcoming crash will not be down to the global economy but to FG?

That's handy

Surely if the raised the economy the last time from their own party policy they can just do the same again no? Or are they just going to stop trying?

Ballso · 03-04-2020 3:31pm

smurgen wrote: »

Surely if the raised the economy the last time from their own party policy they can just do the same again no? Or are they just going to stop trying?

Well yeah, they will have to go through it all again.

Looking forward to Sinn Feins "contribution" during all this - hurling from the ditch, moaning, complaining, telling us everything is so simple and if only they were in power everything would be perfect over night. Can hardly wait.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 3:43pm

smurgen wrote: »

Oh ya?is that why the EU commission called on them to up their spending?

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/start-acting-like-a-rich-country-ibec-and-eu-call-for-infrastructure-38993983.html

That's pre pandemic
Since then,EU governments have had the growth and stability pact relaxed allowing the kitchen sink to be thrown at this
Try to keep up
Or stay ignorant take your pick

smurgen · 03-04-2020 3:56pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

That's pre pandemic
Since then,EU governments have had the growth and stability pact relaxed allowing the kitchen sink to be thrown at this
Try to keep up
Or stay ignorant take your pick

They were being asked to up their spending before it also.that's my point.the way you were hinting was that they were being restricted til now by the EU but only relaxed just now because restrictions were lifting. You're either a liar or ignorant.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 4:13pm

smurgen wrote: »

They were being asked to up their spending before it also.that's my point.the way you were hinting was that they were being restricted til now by the EU but only relaxed just now because restrictions were lifting. You're either a liar or ignorant.

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

smurgen · 03-04-2020 5:04pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

Keep using the word balderdash,it might start making sense if you use it another 2/3 times maybe.
Meanwhile caretaker government spending away with minimal supervision and treating the press using Trumpesque tactics.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245851088898740224?s=19

smurgen · 03-04-2020 5:07pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

You are going on with balderdash

Last February, it was not possible for governments to spend the kind of money they are now on coffid 19 or anything ,(nor was that contemplated )because of a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact
They are now allowed to do what they like pretty much,money wise, in terms of supporting the economy
This is not normal and certainly not sustainable forever,nor would we hope that it would be
Go get a good Economics book

Wait so you're saying the European commission was recommending the Government to break its own rules on spending?

efanton · 03-04-2020 5:08pm

Field east wrote: »

All

All the NOs well predate the beginning of the onset of the virus even on an international level. No TD or any element of the media reported at the time of everybody saying NO reported on the impact that the virus would have on any aspect of the Irish nation.
Since then all things have CHANGED UTTERLY- for example all manifestos are now obselate and need to be completely redrawn . The country going to having a projected €11bn available over 5 yrs to maybe having to borrow up to €20bn + to have any kind of a reasonable program.
Because the economy will need an immediate boost at the very first opportunity , building affordable/ social houses with very cheap money would provide such an opportunity along , of course with other actions

Both Labour and the Greens have stated they have no interest in joining a FG/FF coalition within the last week. So all the NO's do not predate the virus crisis at all.

In fact they came after FG and FG said they were seeking a 3rd party to join them.

Now Leo has eliminated the Independents as potential government partners, its very unlikely a coalition can be formed now.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 5:21pm

smurgen wrote: »

Wait so you're saying the European commission was recommending the Government to break its own rules on spending?

No

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 5:24pm

smurgen wrote: »

Keep using the word balderdash,it might start making sense if you use it another 2/3 times maybe.
Meanwhile caretaker government spending away with minimal supervision and treating the press using Trumpesque tactics.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1245851088898740224?s=19

Sinn Féin want them to spend even more,you should ask Collette what she thinks of that while you are at it..

smurgen · 03-04-2020 5:36pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

No

Ya caught out with the finnerbot mental gymnastics.sit this one out

christy c · 03-04-2020 6:07pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

Go get a good Economics book

The poor lad thinks he has a degree (or masters?) in economics. Go easy on him.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 6:07pm

smurgen wrote: »

Ya caught out with the finnerbot mental gymnastics.sit this one out

I'd prefer actually if at some point you'd post something that you aren't misrepresenting or ignorant of
Currently most of your last few arent thought out at all
Misrepresentation needs thought
So it must be ignorance

ThunbergsAreGo · 03-04-2020 6:14pm

smurgen wrote: »

FG and there ilk cynically asked where the magic money tree was before this. Seems like they're using a magic money tree now.

What would you have them do?

What spending due to the crisis would you have cut?

smurgen · 03-04-2020 7:35pm

christy c wrote: »

The poor lad thinks he has a degree (or masters?) in economics. Go easy on him.

Era feck it I'll bite.What part of economics do I not get? I still remember most of my masters. What specific part of economic theory am I getting wrong? And be as specific as possible.note I'll argue this for awhile so make sure you do your googling .til now I've been throwing out one liners to keep the Finnerbots ticking over.

smurgen · 03-04-2020 7:45pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

I'd prefer actually if at some point you'd post something that you aren't misrepresenting or ignorant of
Currently most of your last few arent thought out at all
Misrepresentation needs thought
So it must be ignorance

So you can't explain how FG's hands were tied by EU commission rules yet EU commission were asking them to spend more?

FrancieBrady · 03-04-2020 7:58pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

What would you have them do?

What spending due to the crisis would you have cut?

Photographers and their retinue are kinda un-necessary doncha think?

christy c · 03-04-2020 8:10pm

smurgen wrote: »

Era feck it I'll bite.

Bite away. A few weeks ago you were waffling about the effective rate of tax. Did you ever manage to calculate what Google's was in 2018?

smurgen · 03-04-2020 8:25pm

christy c wrote: »

Bite away. A few weeks ago you were waffling about the effective rate of tax. Did you ever manage to calculate what Google's was in 2018?

Tell me. What specifically did I get wrong? Surely if you're as cock sure as you appear it should be easy to prove.i mean it's not as if you're just casting insults to deflect is it?

christy c · 03-04-2020 8:32pm

smurgen wrote: »

Tell me. What specifically did I get wrong? Surely if you're as cock sure as you appear it should be easy to prove.i mean it's not as if you're just casting insults to deflect is it?

You never gave a figure, what was Google's effective rate of tax in 2018?

When referencing companies paying more than 12.5% you said "Some companies?lol maybe small companies than can't afford tax efficient structures".

Please don't get on your high horse with insults either, with your frequent mention of Finnerbots.

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 9:29pm

smurgen wrote: »

So you can't explain how FG's hands were tied by EU commission rules yet EU commission were asking them to spend more?

They weren't
They were suggesting a new spread of available money's
At no time were they countenancing the kind of money being thrown at the coronavirus crisis on the topics covered
The borrowing cap was only lifted at the end of march facilitating Covid 19
It's not surprising you don't know the difference mind you,given the quality of your posts on most everything else

satguy · 03-04-2020 9:56pm

I think Leo still has a eye on seat on the opposition side of the chamber, the one at the back near the radiator.

And that, this whole coronavirus epidemic thing has been interfering with well laid plans. But I must say, Leo has handled the situation and the spotlight, very very well.

It's just as well Enda is not still around, he was never a man for the spotlight,, or anything in fact.

smurgen · 03-04-2020 10:16pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

They weren't
They were suggesting a new spread of available money's
At no time were they countenancing the kind of money being thrown at the coronavirus crisis on the topics covered
The borrowing cap was only lifted at the end of march facilitating Covid 19
It's not surprising you don't know the difference mind you,given the quality of your posts on most everything else

Still trying to make up your mind on what I said.i'll check in tomorrow.

In the meantime here's Lieo with some anecdotes to keep us entertained.

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1245795488466640899?s=19

Mortelaro · 03-04-2020 10:35pm

smurgen wrote: »

Still trying to make up your mind on what I said.i'll check in tomorrow.

In the meantime here's Lieo with some anecdotes to keep us entertained.

https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1245795488466640899?s=19

Oh ,I'd imagine you're well aware that what you post is garbage
That's your function in these threads
Its actually quite amusing in a Benny Hill sort of way,same style without the smut
The plan is to clutter them up I suppose for the 4 or 5 people who read them
It'd be better if the posts contained more obfuscation though rather than the rubbish
But as I said earlier, that requires thinking

smurgen · 03-04-2020 11:23pm

Mortelaro wrote: »

Oh ,I'd imagine you're well aware that what you post is garbage
That's your function in these threads
Its actually quite amusing in a Benny Hill sort of way,same style without the smut
The plan is to clutter them up I suppose for the 4 or 5 people who read them
It'd be better if the posts contained more obfuscation though rather than the rubbish
But as I said earlier, that requires thinking

I've seen nothing of substance from yourself or other Finnerbots.I'm posting in line with the threat title and intial spirit of the thread. One of the usual names will take a pop every now and attack the poster not the post and the other usual names with thank that post in a pathetic bid to add legitimacy to that attack. This cynical piling on has no impact whatsoever on me so continue on. In the meantime I'll keep posting away. Feel free to mute

. If this upsets ya may I suggest you try in one of the anti SF echo chambers around here?

Mortelaro · 04-04-2020 8:32am

smurgen wrote: »

I've seen nothing of substance from yourself or other Finnerbots.I'm posting in line with the threat title and intial spirit of the thread. One of the usual names will take a pop every now and attack the poster not the post and the other usual names with thank that post in a pathetic bid to add legitimacy to that attack. This cynical piling on has no impact whatsoever on me so continue on. In the meantime I'll keep posting away. Feel free to mute . If this upsets ya may I suggest you try in one of the anti SF echo chambers around here?

I actually attacked the post
No thought into any of them...AT ALL :eek:
If you want the benefit of the doubt,post something that would last more than 5 seconds on primetime or in front of Bryan Dobson for a change
My criticism of what you post is none of it ever stacks up
Posters here point that out every time
It's easy
Too easy to be a coincidence
Hence It has to be thread clusterfesting which is an amusing effort on threads that have a maximum 4 or 5 readers
I suggest gardening

smurgen · 04-04-2020 9:50am

Mortelaro wrote: »

I actually attacked the post
No thought into any of them...AT ALL :eek:
If you want the benefit of the doubt,post something that would last more than 5 seconds on primetime or in front of Bryan Dobson for a change
My criticism of what you post is none of it ever stacks up
Posters here point that out every time
It's easy
Too easy to be a coincidence
Hence It has to be thread clusterfesting which is an amusing effort on threads that have a maximum 4 or 5 readers
I suggest gardening

Okay so you're saying the government didn't spend on infrastructure the last few years because they were in your words " bound by a CBD restriction under the growth and stability pact" is this right?

markodaly · 04-04-2020 10:30am

smurgen wrote: »

If they hadn't mismanaged the longest boom period in our history we wouldn't need further austerity. Right now our infrastructure is crumbling and our rainy day fund exhausted. Some government.

What nonsense is this?

EVERY country in the western world is going to have a huge bill to pay after this dies down. Blaming FG for the fact that a bill is due because of Covid-19 is among one of the most stupidest comments I have seen here for a while.

markodaly · 04-04-2020 10:44am

smurgen wrote: »

FG done nothing to help the economy.this is evident. It was a global economic boom. The evidence for this will be when we enter recession and the FG clowns tell us there's nothing we can do with unemployment because it's a global recession.total gaslighting crap.

I have to love this nonesense.

Ireland has had the fastest growing economy in the EU.
I will repeat, Irelend had the FASTEST growing economy in the EU.

If it were all just a global economic boom, why are Ireland top of the class when it comes to things like growth and unemployment. Just pure luck I guess? Nothing to do with good policies drawing capital or investment, making it a good place to create jobs?

Look at Greece. SF poster boy. It had a 17% unemployment rate last year, a youth unemployment rate of over 35%!

SF fans trying to argue economics is like a one handed man trying to play the violin.

blanch152 · 04-04-2020 10:51am

smurgen wrote: »

Era feck it I'll bite.What part of economics do I not get? I still remember most of my masters. What specific part of economic theory am I getting wrong? And be as specific as possible.note I'll argue this for awhile so make sure you do your googling .til now I've been throwing out one liners to keep the Finnerbots ticking over.

That is the problem, you are relying on book learning from an economics masters.

Economics theory usually only survives about five minutes in the real world, hence that is why you get so much wrong. By the time you adapt economics to reality, it is more like a combination of psychology, sociology, behavioural science and business management than any recognisable economics that you pick up in college.

FrancieBrady · 04-04-2020 10:52am

markodaly wrote: »

I have to love this nonesense.

Ireland has had the fastest growing economy in the EU.
I will repeat, Irelend had the FASTEST growing economy in the EU.

If it were all just a global economic boom, why are Ireland top of the class when it comes to things like growth and unemployment. Just pure luck I guess? Nothing to do with good policies drawing capital or investment, making it a good place to create jobs?

Look at Greece. SF poster boy. It had a 17% unemployment rate last year, a youth unemployment rate of over 35%!

SF fans trying to argue economics is like a one handed man trying to play the violin.

Let's all look the other way and not mention FF spectacularly collapsing our economy while FG were sitting in opposition calling for more of the same!

And before you deflect, yes SF didn't cover themselves in glory either during that collapse but holding FG and FF up as paragons of fiscal wisdom is ridiculous, they are as fallible as anyone else.

markodaly · 04-04-2020 10:57am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Let's all look the other way and not mention FF spectacularly collapsing our economy while FG were sitting in opposition calling for more of the same!

And before you deflect, yes SF didn't cover themselves in glory either during that collapse but holding FG and FF up as paragons of fiscal wisdom is ridiculous, they are as fallible as anyone else.

Oh here we go.
The bore has come out of the daily hibernation.

But lets take it this way, you blame FF for the crash, but I guess the good economic news since 2011 has been 'luck' and nothing to do with the government at the helm?

You cannot have it both ways, either governments in power are be blamed for their bad mistakes and praised for good outcomes or not.

FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years.

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